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Feds to expand internet wiretapping...
KSUmarksman
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is there anything they don't want to control Darth Vader style???
http://www.aolnews.com/news-video/article/report-government-pushing-to-make-internet-wiretaps-easier/19650961
http://www.aolnews.com/news-video/article/report-government-pushing-to-make-internet-wiretaps-easier/19650961
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Have you ever used "Skype"? I can't think of a better manner to coordinate a determined man's efforts.
It's a brave new world batman.... what are we to do?
NS
you always made sense in the past, please don't tell me you became a "security nut" (ie. a spineless individual who is willing to sacrifice liberty for temporary safety)
I'm not a security nut, I assure you of that. However, I know that our adversaries are exploiting current technologies in order to coordinate and finalize plans against us..... so, if granting access to LEO's in order to prevent American's from being killed is what I need to do, I am willing to give them a bit of leash.
However, I am but one man and I have but one vote.
The world has changed my friend. I love EVERY SINGLE FREEDOM we enjoy as American's, but I know the threat we face is real and wants nothing more than to use our very strength as a nation against us.
We have to find a suitable middle-ground IMHO.
NS
Now if they want to spy on foreigners in asscrackistan I don't give a poop, they have no constitutional protections.
If one person in the conversation is an American citizen, or is in the US they should need to have a warrant before tapping the phone line internet use or whatever. Otherwise that violates the constitution.
Now if they want to spy on foreigners in asscrackistan I don't give a poop, they have no constitutional protections.
So if KSM or UBL calls me from the FATA area of Pakistan, US LEOs are SOL?
Reminds me of the old maxim of cutting a fella's nose off in spite of his face.
Hopefully, the savages who want to kill American's here at home will be nursing a hangover after a hard night of hitting the strip clubs, while the FBI is trying to get their warrants throught the FISA Court.
If not, hopefully they only kill a dozen or two innocent men, women and children (of course I pray none of them are related to you, in fact I hope they are all orphans).
Good call, cool beans.
NS
quote:Originally posted by wittynbear
If one person in the conversation is an American citizen, or is in the US they should need to have a warrant before tapping the phone line internet use or whatever. Otherwise that violates the constitution.
Now if they want to spy on foreigners in asscrackistan I don't give a poop, they have no constitutional protections.
So if KSM or UBL calls me from the FATA area of Pakistan, US LEOs are SOL?
Reminds me of the old maxim of cutting a fella's nose off in spite of his face.
Hopefully, the savages who want to kill American's here at home will be nursing a hangover after a hard night of hitting the strip clubs, while the FBI is trying to get their warrants throught the FISA Court.
If not, hopefully they only kill a dozen or two innocent men, women and children (of course I pray none of them are related to you, in fact I hope they are all orphans).
Good call, cool beans.
NS
So we just give up our God given rights for a little security, I don't think so.
We know the people on UBL's phone list probably better than he does, and should have warrants already to listen in on their phone calls. If we don't then we have allies that could have listened in and can fill us in on all all the details, granted it can't be used in criminal prosecution but it gives us the details we need to prevent an attack, while we get a warrant and listen in. Getting a warrant is not too time consuming it can be done in about an hour. I'm sure that will not be the only call he makes either.
So..... what would you have them do if that is where the threat is "hiding out"? Should we let them plan and coordinate their efforts to destroy us simply because John Adam's did not foresee the arrival of al gore's internet?
Have you ever used "Skype"? I can't think of a better manner to coordinate a determined man's efforts.
It's a brave new world batman.... what are we to do?
NS
Unfortunately, we CAN"T trust the government. So, once again, I vote for freedom over security.
I think a better route is "fix our screwed up interventionist foreign policy" which would eliminate 90% of these "bogeymen" anyway.
There are so many bad laws and outright ridiculous laws on the books, you are probably breaking one today and don't even know it. The only reason nothing happens is because there is no cop present who both knows the dumb law and is willing to make the arrest. But with broad-spectrum internet monitoring, you can bet that eventually some idiot will decide to enforce all the little chickenpoop laws too.
go to a website that tells you how to modify a "lo-flo" government showerhead...oooh now you broke an environmental law.
go to a porn site in Alabama or Florida? you just violated state law (I only know because being an observant scientific type I noticed the little disclaimer on the card direct TV sends out with a list of all available channels)
The government agencies already know who is and isn't a terrorist in many places and won't/can't do anything about it. So what is the point of getting more info to do nothing with?
Because control of you and me is the real aim.
Well,if we would just go over there and eliminate the threat with extreme prejudice instead of trying to be PC and not hurt the bad guys feelings we wouldn't have to resort to this un-costitutional BS! If our gov. was so concerned with terrorism the FREAKIN BORDERS WOULD NOT BE WIDE FRICKEN OPEN!! Wake up people...
True, but the war itself is un-constitutional. CONgress declared war on nobody. Though they should have. Saudi Arabia.