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2000 Ford ... Update on truck shopping adventure

jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
edited February 2011 in General Discussion
We are going to get a diesel tomorrow. Found a haldf dozen that fit the bill online. One GMC, the rest were Ford's

This one caught my eye and you guys said a 7.3 on the fords was okay and anything under 200k, right? See what ya think... it may or may not be the one...

http://www.elwaydealers.com/vehicle/pre-owned/164893-1FTSW31F9YED62497/2000-Ford-Super_Duty_F_350_SRW.htm

Comments

  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,754 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That is a good truck but is a little high on the price. My 99 f250 diesel with 350,000 is still running strong. With 183,000 on the motor there should have been a injector change out done. If it hasn't been done it will cost you at least 2400.00 to do. My milage went from 14 mpg to 22 with new injectors.
  • joshmb1982joshmb1982 Member Posts: 8,228 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I almost bought a 1 ton ford diesel a few years ago. used of course. the guy that had one i was looking at said the most common problem with them is something on the back of the engine leaks fuel a little bit. i forget what it was specifically though. He said it wasnt a major problem your just leaving drops of diesel here and there as you go and not to park where stains would be a problem. If you look on fords website or forums he said I'd find out all about it. I ended up buying a 18ft 12,000 lb trailer instead.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gjshaw
    That is a good truck but is a little high on the price. My 99 f250 diesel with 350,000 is still running strong. With 183,000 on the motor there should have been a injector change out done. If it hasn't been done it will cost you at least 2400.00 to do. My milage went from 14 mpg to 22 with new injectors.
    Thank you I will make sure!
  • we_dig_itwe_dig_it Member Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    nice truck jp.[:)]
  • KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
    edited November -1
    its a nice truck, but unless its immaculate and flawless, its priced a little high at least for my area.

    ive been hankering for a great big giant diesel pickup for like 9 months. ive looked on ebay, thatguyslist, all over the net on nearly a daily basis. thats a 10k dollar truck all day long. 12k for a manual trans, or 50k less miles, and ive seen them go for that with the dual rear axle.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,166 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    Nice looking/sounding pickup. I'm not sure on the price since I don't shop for rigs in that price range, but beat him down to at least 10 just on principal.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    So you guys think they are exxagerating the KBB just a tad?

    We'll see what they offer on my trade.
  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,754 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    So you guys think they are exxagerating the KBB just a tad?

    We'll see what they offer on my trade.


    Here is one to compare it with. You are paying for the low miles on this one.

    http://trucks.gibsontruckworld.com/gibson_truck_world_sanford_fl/details/1999-Ford-F-250-Lariat-Crew-Cab-73L-Powerstroke-Diesel-2WD/1FTNW20F7XEB39835/
  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    VIN: 1FTSW31F9YED62497
    Mileage: 183301
    Engine: V8 7.3l
    Transmission: Automatic
    Drive train: 4WD
    Ext Color: Dark Toreador Red Metallic
    Int Color: Medium Graphite
    Body Style: Crew Cab Pickup

    along with the list of options like a Sliding Rear Window, a Single Cd Player Premium Electronic Am/fm Stereo Radio W/cassette and a 6-Way Pwr Driver Seat.

    Take that information and call the dealer. Act like you have that truck to trade in and ask if they will give you an estimated trade in value.

    If they quote you say (for example) $7000.00.

    While the John Elway asking price for the same exact truck sitting on his lot is $12,481.

    Confront them on it rather loudly. Raise enough cane over the price difference and they will do anything to get you out of their dealership.

    Saved my brother a few grand on a Ford truck that way.

    He was told his trade in was worth $13,500. Their asking price for the same truck was $21,000. He left the dealer with the truck for $15,000.


    Go to this link and put in all of the information on the truck that you are interested in. And see what THEY are willing to PAY YOU for a truck sitting on their lot.

    http://www.elwaydealers.com/appraise.php
  • OLDCOPOLDCOP Member Posts: 629 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Be VERY careful. I had one that had a bad tranny. After many visits to the dealer, a sympathetic mechanic took me aside and said "You didn't hear this from me, but some transmissions on diesel trucks weren't the right ones and cause trouble such as yours and Ford won't admit to it." He said the fix would cost nearly $4k and recommended that I dump it. I traded it elsewhere for another truck. Not saying yours might be bad, but better safe than sorry. That's all I know. Good luck!
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gjshaw
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    So you guys think they are exxagerating the KBB just a tad?

    We'll see what they offer on my trade.


    Here is one to compare it with. You are paying for the low miles on this one.

    http://trucks.gibsontruckworld.com/gibson_truck_world_sanford_fl/details/1999-Ford-F-250-Lariat-Crew-Cab-73L-Powerstroke-Diesel-2WD/1FTNW20F7XEB39835/


    one is 4wd the other is 2wd....big value difference there, I'd say $3k-4k

    With Diesel past $4 a gal, I wouldn't be shopping for a diesel right now unless I NEEDED it. A private party sale would save you a bunch, and the values are going to depreciate as diesel nears $5/gal which is far off
  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a 2002 the same color and a lot like that one (mine does have a 6 speed manual) and they have proven to be one of the best diesels you can buy. Mine has been great so far.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by gjshaw
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    So you guys think they are exxagerating the KBB just a tad?

    We'll see what they offer on my trade.


    Here is one to compare it with. You are paying for the low miles on this one.

    http://trucks.gibsontruckworld.com/gibson_truck_world_sanford_fl/details/1999-Ford-F-250-Lariat-Crew-Cab-73L-Powerstroke-Diesel-2WD/1FTNW20F7XEB39835/


    one is 4wd the other is 2wd....big value difference there, I'd say $3k-4k

    With Diesel past $4 a gal, I wouldn't be shopping for a diesel right now unless I NEEDED it. A private party sale would save you a bunch, and the values are going to depreciate as diesel nears $5/gal which is far off

    I do need one.[:(] Can't pull a 5th wheel that's pushing 14k lbs loaded without one. The 5th wheel is for work. Tired of throwing money away on rent everywhere we go.
  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    With fuel prices going thru the roof they should deal more with you.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by fshfndr
    With fuel prices going thru the roof they should deal more with you.
    Hopefully. It will require a nudge though.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,166 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    I do need one.[:(] Can't pull a 5th wheel that's pushing 14k lbs loaded without one. The 5th wheel is for work. Tired of throwing money away on rent everywhere we go.
    That must be one big-* trailer, mine only weighs 8000-8500# loaded.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    I do need one.[:(] Can't pull a 5th wheel that's pushing 14k lbs loaded without one. The 5th wheel is for work. Tired of throwing money away on rent everywhere we go.
    That must be one big-* trailer, mine only weighs 8000-8500# loaded.
    37-6, 4 slides, suitable for "living" in. 12G lbs. with water.
  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Like I said I have a 2002 almost like it. What I would do is get the VIN # and take it to a Ford dealer and have them run a repair history on the truck. Also check the computer box out and see if it looked like it had a programmer plugged in it a lot. The biggest concern on these trucks are the transmission and the injectors, the rest of the truck is about bullet proof. The transmission to replace is $3000+ and the injectors (rebuilt will run around $2000) Check this site out to learn a lot about these Ford trucks www.thedieselstop.com/
  • gjshawgjshaw Member Posts: 14,754 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did you get it?
  • plinkedplinked Member Posts: 401 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a 2000 f-250 w/6 speed manual that I bought new
    Just getting ready to turn 200k
    Truck has been a absolute sweetheart
    I've been through 2 alternaters
    1 waterpump
    1 clutch pack
    1 slave
    Nothing else has been done to my engine other than basic maint
    Injector and tranny problems were on the 99 models and were rectified by 99.5 models
    Here is a great website for info on these trucks http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gjshaw
    Did you get it?
    Just got home and no I did not.

    Made it to 4 dealers.


    Lot#1
    It was the lowest priced on my schedule, and with good reason. It had a couple issues that none of the others tried had...
    1) Lack of power, not impressive at all like a turbo diesel should be
    2) The steering was wierd. It kind of darted back and forth. So I made the salesboy drive it and he said "yup I feel it, I'll ask"... the svc folks said it was a steering geer issue
    (183k miles)

    Anyway, drove 3 other trucks.

    Lot#2
    had only 2 used diesels, neither were in my range.

    Lot #3
    a 2007 (too new) ford with the 6.0(?)[V] that was priced in my high range (161k miles)$17k that had just come in on trade that morning. Had much more power than the 7.3 I drove but was a long bed [V].

    Lot #4

    two trucks.

    a GMC over my price range (of course) but man was it sweet. Incredibly comfortable "cockpit", best fit I've ever had in a truck. Loved it. Best power of the 3 so far. (107k miles) $26k

    Then a Chevy. Also out of my range, but what the heck, fun to drive[:D] Not quite as comfy as the GMC but nice, Same power, same miles, $21k Oh, funny thing, teh longer I drove it the higher the speedometer went, until it pegged. I parked back at the dealer doing 140mph.[:0] Fastest I've ever gone![8D]

    No deals. Try again next weekend.[xx(]
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,491 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This one is set up right. Make a rediculous offer. This is the Laramie , top of the line. I did notice it needs rear tires but use that as a bargaining chip. Low miles.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-DODGE-RAM-3500-LARAMIE-DIESEL-CUMMINS-6SPD-MANUAL-/150568123022?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item230e8f3a8e
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Been looking at fords also and a 2011 like that fully loaded runs well over 60 grand. I have an 06 Big Horn Dodge and would like something a little more rugged. Mines a 1/2 ton.
  • danielgagedanielgage Member Posts: 10,543 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    have wanted one like that for a long time just buying used is always more of a chance than buying new of course I can't afford new one's price
  • joshmb1982joshmb1982 Member Posts: 8,228 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    This one is set up right. Make a rediculous offer. This is the Laramie , top of the line. I did notice it needs rear tires but use that as a bargaining chip. Low miles.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-DODGE-RAM-3500-LARAMIE-DIESEL-CUMMINS-6SPD-MANUAL-/150568123022?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item230e8f3a8e


    Its a DODGE[xx(]. you could give me one of those though. would make a nice trade in on a ford or chevy.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    This one is set up right. Make a rediculous offer. This is the Laramie , top of the line. I did notice it needs rear tires but use that as a bargaining chip. Low miles.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-DODGE-RAM-3500-LARAMIE-DIESEL-CUMMINS-6SPD-MANUAL-/150568123022?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item230e8f3a8e


    That is a low miler, good price. Just leery of buying big ticket on ebarf...
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Don't know anything about a 1 ton but I would stay away from the 3/4 ton Dodge. I had a 95 and a 99 and had a lot of problems. Am also having problems with my 06 with 57000 miles on it.
  • joshmb1982joshmb1982 Member Posts: 8,228 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    my parents had a 99 1/2 ton they bought brand new.First time he needed 4x4 it didnt work never got out of 2wd. Had a hell of a time getting out of that soggy field. at about 10k miles the tailgate near fell off. 30k miles transmission started slipping and had trouble getting into reverse. Be a cold day before i ever spend good money on a dodge truck.
  • MrOrangeMrOrange Member Posts: 3,012
    edited November -1
    You can haul stuff with a gas motor too, ya know.


    35ftbox.jpg


    If you're going to be hauling that weight everyday, I'd say yeah spend the money, but for once a month or so I wouldn't.
  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Consumer reports has a good guide for buying. Pricing and a method aside from reviews and common problems.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MrOrange
    You can haul stuff with a gas motor too, ya know.





    If you're going to be hauling that weight everyday, I'd say yeah spend the money, but for once a month or so I wouldn't.



    This camper will be near 14,000 loaded. It will be pulled cross country, long round trips, twice a year for work. Probably a minimum 5-6k miles per trip, so not even counting leisure/recreational use.
  • buffalobobuffalobo Member Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    jp - For what it's worth, I have 2000 F250 w/ 7.3. Best truck I have ever owned, towed our 31' 5th wheel w/ ease. Up the mtns rarely had to drop out of 6th gear, always 15 mpg and up to 18 mpg out on the flat.

    Regular maint and 2 clutches(I am really hard on them, lazy driver) all I ever had to do to it in over 350,000 miles.

    If the one you drove seemed under powered there were probably issues with it.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by buffalobo
    jp - For what it's worth, I have 2000 F250 w/ 7.3. Best truck I have ever owned, towed our 31' 5th wheel w/ ease. Up the mtns rarely had to drop out of 6th gear, always 15 mpg and up to 18 mpg out on the flat.

    Regular maint and 2 clutches(I am really hard on them, lazy driver) all I ever had to do to it in over 350,000 miles.

    If the one you drove seemed under powered there were probably issues with it.


    Well it didn't suck you into the seat like the duramax. It was musch as you would expect from a gasser on a truck that big, maybe a tad less even.
  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    On a diesel truck putting you back into the seat is not the most important thing. The most important thing and what separates a gas engine from a diesel is low end torque. Where a gas might jerk you back in your seat a diesel will keep towing where a gas will run out of power. I have had both and there is no comparison on towing ability between the two I don't care how much HP the gas has. My 2002 Ford diesel when the turbo kicks in you can feel it. If the one you where looking at was weak feeling then it probably has issues.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jltrent
    On a diesel truck putting you back into the seat is not the most important thing. The most important thing and what separates a gas engine from a diesel is low end torque. Where a gas might jerk you back in your seat a diesel will keep towing where a gas will run out of power. I have had both and there is no comparison on towing ability between the two I don't care how much HP the gas has. My 2002 Ford diesel when the turbo kicks in you can feel it. If the one you where looking at was weak feeling then it probably has issues.

    I understand torque, but since I can't hook onto a 12k lb load at the dealership, that is the only test I can give it.

    I couldn't hear the diesel "whistle" on that one, now that I think about it. Hmmm....
  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    quote:Originally posted by jltrent
    On a diesel truck putting you back into the seat is not the most important thing. The most important thing and what separates a gas engine from a diesel is low end torque. Where a gas might jerk you back in your seat a diesel will keep towing where a gas will run out of power. I have had both and there is no comparison on towing ability between the two I don't care how much HP the gas has. My 2002 Ford diesel when the turbo kicks in you can feel it. If the one you where looking at was weak feeling then it probably has issues.

    I understand torque, but since I can't hook onto a 12k lb load at the dealership, that is the only test I can give it.

    I couldn't hear the diesel "whistle" on that one, now that I think about it. Hmmm....
    If you put your foot into it and you didn't hear or feel any get up and go, turbo boost then I bet it has turbo problems which can be a pretty good problem.
  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,337 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My neighbor has a 2002 manual Duramax and my Ford is a 2002 manual 7.3 power stroke and power wise they are pretty close. His does seem the torque curve is longer, but I believe the lower end torque is better on mine.
  • jpwolfjpwolf Member Posts: 9,164
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jltrent
    My neighbor has a 2002 manual Duramax and my Ford is a 2002 manual 7.3 power stroke and power wise they are pretty close. His does seem the torque curve is longer, but I believe the lower end torque is better on mine.

    That's what I have been told by some on that 7.3 so you are most likely correct, at least some I know agree with you.
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