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Anybody Live or Been Around a Slaughter

armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,483 ✭✭✭
edited August 2014 in General Discussion
House [?][?][?][?][?]There will be a point to be made later in this thread.
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    RobOzRobOz Member Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, a good friend of mine owned his own butcher shop/packing company. I also lived about two miles from a slaughter house growing up. Me and my buds would ride by it just about everyday in the summer on our way to the creek.
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    RobOzRobOz Member Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I also had a bud that retired from Darling company as a driver, he knew his way around a slaughterhouse.
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    searcher5searcher5 Member Posts: 13,511
    edited November -1
    Yes. My shop is next door to a butcher shop. In my younger years, when I was working cattle, we hauled the ones that were past anything else to a real slaughter house. Mostly dog food meat. If they were breathing when you got them there, you could get a little money out of them. Was better than calling the dead wagon, I guess. I nearly got fired over this. Had a cow down, wasn't going to get up, and she was suffering. Now, she may or may not have made the 20 minute trip to town, and she may or may not have suffered for some time before they put her down. I eliminated the options with a 45. Never could stand to see anything suffer needlessly. Under-boss was not happy.

    Dan
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    shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,815 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've been in a house where a slaughter occurred, collecting evidence. Does that count?
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    armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,483 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well since I have a couple of replies I'll make my point. Cargill just basically closed its slaughter house operation here in town. 600 people out of a job. Now right next door is Potwatomi bingo and casino. This place is huge. They just built a 300 room 18 story hotel less then a block away from the Cargill operation. It is scheduled to open Aug. 18th. I find it very hard to believe that Cargill isn't making any money and decided really pretty fast to close and close instantly.

    I've worked almost in that plant some years back when they had sewer issues. The smell from the blood boiling operation was atrocious, even for a sewer guy. We had to run by pass pumps 24 hours a day for about a week.

    Now you tell me that Potawatomi is building a hotel a block away from that. Would you want to stay in a hotel next to a beef rendering plant?? Something fishy is going on and I'll bet within a short time Potawatomi will be on that land.

    For those that don't know Potawatomi it is an Indian run casino.
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    guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well cattle are getting hard to find, and cost a ton. Farmers no longer have cows, they would rather focus on grains. This is the tip of the iceberg, so to say.
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    OakieOakie Member Posts: 40,519 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, very unnerving to say the least. I thought I was going to lose my lunch. I helped my father in law slaughter cows, chickens, pigs and sheep. Never want to see that again.[xx(]
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    armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,483 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
    Well cattle are getting hard to find, and cost a ton. Farmers no longer have cows, they would rather focus on grains. This is the tip of the iceberg, so to say.




    That was kinda more or less their excuse, but I still don't buy it. I think they got an offer they couldn't refuse and it cost 600 jobs. 95% of those jobs were held by minorities.
    They did not how ever close their ground beef facility.
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    Dads3040Dads3040 Member Posts: 13,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I used to clean a butcher shop after school way back when.

    Pay wasn't great, but I got all the beef jerky and pepperoni I wanted.

    And he would send me home with steaks and stuff when they were getting a bit 'aged'.

    All in all, a decent job for a kid. [:D]
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    discusdaddiscusdad Member Posts: 11,419 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    when I worked in st Louis about every 6 months Purina would send 3-4 pulverizers to us to be reconditioned, and sharpened. this machinery would cut up the bones,, and everything else, and reduce it to a slurry for the dog food operation. the stench of the build up of residue on every surface permeated our shop for months. steam cleaning and sand blasting could not eliminate it. I guess we was paid good money to do this but dayum it was awful to put up with.
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    gesshotsgesshots Member Posts: 15,679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "I have this disease late at night sometimes, involving alcohol and the telephone."
    ~ Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

    And so it goes .................................

    [;)][:D]
    It's being willing. I found out early that most men, regardless of cause or need, aren't willing. They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull the trigger. I won't. ~ J.B. Books
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    legearlegear Member Posts: 6,716
    edited November -1
    I used to work in one.
    I worked for conagra when I was 19ish.
    My job was to wash the stomach, making tripe
    Basically I was poop out of the cows guts.
    I also walked 2 miles to and from work everyday, I smelled awesome in the afternoon.
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    BikerBobBikerBob Member Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You are right about the strange smells along Canal Street. That tanning place across there to the north seemed like it emitted some peculiar odors too. It's just hard to believe mayor Barrett would have been happy on the job loss. And if the casino buys that property it comes off the tax rolls. Even though it is similar workers cleaning the hotel, there would be less of them.

    Something smells fishy![:0]
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    44pinshooter44pinshooter Member Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In Wisconsin, Indian Gaming is big money.
    I smell some thing else other than the smell of a meat plant.
    My wife 1/4 Cherokee, I have told her for years that if her grand parents had kept up on the tribal rolls,instead of wanting to be "Real Americans", we could have turned our 40 acres in to a " Gun Gaming Range" and then used our "Rights" to push / buy out the 2 lawyers who live next to us..................
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    Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    when I was a kid there was a old tanning factory downtown ( Sidney Oh) I am guessing it was there before the 19 th century the smell was overwhelming along with all those who worked there you could easy pick them out of the rest of the towns people . I remember it closing ,I was still a kid , I seem to remember EPA and clean up and a list of items the company no way could afford , but could not image anything like that being allowed even close to town now.
    as far a Cargill your probably close to the mark , they may had a offer or face being forced into closing
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    onepopperonepopper Member Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In 1948 I put in a watchman's tour system at a slaughterhouse in Cleveland, Ohio. It took me years before I could eat a hot dog.
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    grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 53,466 ✭
    edited November -1
    Got one on I-5 in California. You can smell it miles before you get there. It also smells long after you have left the area.
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    kabarkabar Member Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    First job I applied to after high school was in a chicken packing plant.
    Before I finished the interview I had to leave because of the smell. My friend lived a half block away from a pig slaughter plant and all you could hear was pigs squealing and the smell from them. I didn't visit him too often!!
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    MobuckMobuck Member Posts: 13,793 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've got to say they must have known about the distasteful surroundings BEFORE building a casino.
    The pork plant 12 miles away renders their offal and trimmings onsite. That smell is quite noticeable anywhere within 1/2 mile and a couple of miles downwind.
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    800fthi800fthi Member Posts: 196 ✭
    edited November -1
    I was born in Austin Mn. home of Hormel. I worked as a USDA veterinary inspector at Hormel, Wilson,Swift, Armour, Cudahy, BlueRibbon beef.Whitehall packing. Your right the smell is over powering. I lived 8 mi out of town in Austin and when the wind was out of the NE you could smell the stock yard. Also before the EPA they discharged 2 12in pipes of raw sewage from the kill floor into the Cedar river. It was sure a good place to catch carp.The old Hormel plant killed 10,000 hogs a day and 1,200 beef. That's a lot of blood and guts and crap.
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    armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,483 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
    I've got to say they must have known about the distasteful surroundings BEFORE building a casino.
    The pork plant 12 miles away renders their offal and trimmings onsite. That smell is quite noticeable anywhere within 1/2 mile and a couple of miles downwind.



    Oh yes they certainly new about it before they built the casino. And they also figured they'd be on that land at some point. There was another company just east of the Cargil plant ( Potawatomi is on the west) and they bought out that company as well.
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    Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 39,389 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by armilite
    For those that don't know Potawatomi it is an Indian run casino.
    So the packing house is on an indian reservation?
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    armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,483 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
    quote:Originally posted by armilite
    For those that don't know Potawatomi it is an Indian run casino.
    So the packing house is on an indian reservation?


    No the packing house is not on an Indian Reservation. The casino is on a
    piece of prime land in the center of the Menominee River Valley. The valley is about 4 miles long and a mile wide. Miller Park home of the Milwaukee Brewers anchors the west end and the Harley Davidson Museum anchors the east end. The casino is almost right in the middle and the Cargill plants land abuts the eastern end of the casino land.
    It is not on a reservation but the casino itself is considered sacred ground more or less. Indian law trumps pretty much everything else on casino land.
    In other words they make their own rules. Smoking for example is permitted every where. No where else in the city can you smoke in a public building, bar, or restaurant.
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    legearlegear Member Posts: 6,716
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by armilite
    quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
    quote:Originally posted by armilite
    For those that don't know Potawatomi it is an Indian run casino.
    So the packing house is on an indian reservation?


    No the packing house is not on an Indian Reservation. The casino is on a
    piece of prime land in the center of the Menominee River Valley. The valley is about 4 miles long and a mile wide. Miller Park home of the Milwaukee Brewers anchors the west end and the Harley Davidson Museum anchors the east end. The casino is almost right in the middle and the Cargill plants land abuts the eastern end of the casino land.
    It is not on a reservation but the casino itself is considered sacred ground more or less. Indian law trumps pretty much everything else on casino land.
    In other words they make their own rules. Smoking for example is permitted every where. No where else in the city can you smoke in a public building, bar, or restaurant.


    I'm sitting at our Indian casino now.
    Same as what you said, they make their own rules.
    They have a 20+ story hotel casino, smoke shack (cheap tobacco, less tax), gas station, and 3 restaurants in the casino.

    Want to know the casinos pay out percentage? Good luck, they don't disclose that info like Vegas does. Vegas is 83%+/- the Indian casino is rumored to be 65-75%.
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    armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,483 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by legear
    quote:Originally posted by armilite
    quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
    quote:Originally posted by armilite
    For those that don't know Potawatomi it is an Indian run casino.
    So the packing house is on an indian reservation?


    No the packing house is not on an Indian Reservation. The casino is on a
    piece of prime land in the center of the Menominee River Valley. The valley is about 4 miles long and a mile wide. Miller Park home of the Milwaukee Brewers anchors the west end and the Harley Davidson Museum anchors the east end. The casino is almost right in the middle and the Cargill plants land abuts the eastern end of the casino land.
    It is not on a reservation but the casino itself is considered sacred ground more or less. Indian law trumps pretty much everything else on casino land.
    In other words they make their own rules. Smoking for example is permitted every where. No where else in the city can you smoke in a public building, bar, or restaurant.


    I'm sitting at our Indian casino now.
    Same as what you said, they make their own rules.
    They have a 20+ story hotel casino, smoke shack (cheap tobacco, less tax), gas station, and 3 restaurants in the casino.

    Want to know the casinos pay out percentage? Good luck, they don't disclose that info like Vegas does. Vegas is 83%+/- the Indian casino is rumored to be 65-75%.



    I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 50%. I refuse to go there.
    They boast 5 star dinning first class entertainment etc. I'm not a big gambler but when I do I drive 3 hours to Praire Du Chien on a riverboat on the Iowa side. At least I can play for 3-4 hours before my $100 is gone. I'd last about 10 minutes in town here.
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    Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 39,389 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    You guys need to realize, that any indian whatevers are sitting on tribal trust land, or basicily reservation property, no matter where they sit. Reservations are soverign entities, and are not subject to the white man's rule.
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    cndrdkcndrdk Member Posts: 81 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Guy I know tells me the story of a friend of his that would sneak over the the old Swift-Armour Packing plant next to the old Ft. Worth Stockyards and steal the flat building bricks until he had enough to lay a patio at the rear of his beautiful new home. Built a beautiful patterned patio and bragged how he had preserved a bit of Ft. Worth, TX history. First time it rained a bit and humidity was high, the smell was so bad that it tainted the whole neighborhood. Had to remove the bricks and sneak them back to the packing plant area. Yard stunk for ages, ha.
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    TRAP55TRAP55 Member Posts: 8,270 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
    Got one on I-5 in California. You can smell it miles before you get there. It also smells long after you have left the area.

    That's the Harris Ranch, and smells like perfume compared to Conagra Beef Co. in Cactus, TX.
    Asking for directions on the CB, I got 5 instant answers, all the same. "When you can smell something really bad, 6 more miles to the exit".
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