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Interesting Mauser
Ricci Wright
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What do you guys think about this old 98K??
What do you guys think about this old 98K??
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One thing I can divulge since it can't be faked now is the numbers in the barrel channel of the handguard are always in pencil, not stamped.
I have a spare original slide one mount but no spare scopes.
One thing I can divulge since it can't be faked now is the numbers in the barrel channel of the handguard are always in pencil, not stamped.
P3, can you clarify? Out of probably thousands I've seen with a number, only one had hand written numbers in pencil, and it was a RC.
I know Yugoslavia stamped them, but I have seen Sauer and Erma handguards stamped that didn't make it there. Does make you wonder how they did stamp them, without snapping them in half, or the very least, cracking them.
Source too please, if you have it, so I can update my notes.
There is no reference you can find. Back in the 70's and 80's, I belonged to the KCN, Karabiner Collector Network out of Cherry Point, NC. We had over a thousand dedicated members sharing info in our newletter and most was not made public just to confound the fakers and insure we didn't get stuck. For example, On Mauser High Turrets, there is one small stamp hidden from view that MUST be present or the rifle is a fake. It's called the bunny stamp, but you won't find it listed in any pub, specifically Senich's or Law's German sniper books who were members.
The rifle for sale is not original. There's several clues, but the most obvious one is right in the write up:
"There is a ZF-41 side rail scope mount with waffen 135 code for duv Berlin-Lubecker which is correct".
The 135 code is for Mauserwerk. BLM's code (the actual maker) is 214 and that's what should be on it.
Whoever put that gun together knew no real Mauser collector would be fooled. Snipers are not an area for a novice to tread. There used to be a member named Tank Driver who would buy original parts and make up rifles. When he was discovered selling them without listing they were accurate reproductions, he was kicked out of the network.
Any suggestions on what I should or shouldn't buy in an old war rifle??? That would include availability on ammo.Oakie
I know markings and features mean a lot to a collector but I sometimes wonder if during WW II maybe if Hans needed certain parts to complete a weapon and these parts weren't available if maybe Hans substituted parts that were. I realize Hans was extremely rude not considering the concerns of future collectors but there was a war. [:)]
As I stated no intention to fool anyone. It is a very nice rifle and a no reserve one cent auction. Good luck and thank you for your comments.
considering Hans took such meticulous records on everything, ie the extermination camps, i can't see subbing out parts on their guns as you suggest Ricci
Traps,
There is no reference you can find. Back in the 70's and 80's, I belonged to the KCN, Karabiner Collector Network out of Cherry Point, NC. We had over a thousand dedicated members sharing info in our newletter and most was not made public just to confound the fakers and insure we didn't get stuck. For example, On Mauser High Turrets, there is one small stamp hidden from view that MUST be present or the rifle is a fake. It's called the bunny stamp, but you won't find it listed in any pub, specifically Senich's or Law's German sniper books who were members.
The rifle for sale is not original. There's several clues, but the most obvious one is right in the write up:
"There is a ZF-41 side rail scope mount with waffen 135 code for duv Berlin-Lubecker which is correct".
The 135 code is for Mauserwerk. BLM's code (the actual maker) is 214 and that's what should be on it.
Whoever put that gun together knew no real Mauser collector would be fooled. Snipers are not an area for a novice to tread. There used to be a member named Tank Driver who would buy original parts and make up rifles. When he was discovered selling them without listing they were accurate reproductions, he was kicked out of the network.
Yes sir, I fully understand all of that, and had no questions about Ricci's rifle being a real deal, I saw what it was right away.
My question was about the handguard serial numbers. In pencil, was that only on the ZF-41?
And don't tell me anymore than you have to here on the forum, I'm a full fledged member of the "Don't Feed the Fakers" club! I hold this scum in the same sub-level as child molesters, animal abusers, and gun thieves.
Ricci Wright, I have no questions about your honesty on your auction. It's just not possible to know all the details, of all forms of collectable firearms. But you can see that when it gets into collector firearms, and a specific niche like a Mauser sniper, you need ALL the info you can get. You could be giving away a rare collector piece, or having to deal with a pizzed off buyer.
There's a wealth of info here, with real experts on all types of firearms, and it's free for the asking, tap that info like it's another auction tool![:)]
This gun is from an estate sale and I think it's been in the family for a long time.
Thank's guys.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Traps,
There is no reference you can find. Back in the 70's and 80's, I belonged to the KCN, Karabiner Collector Network out of Cherry Point, NC. We had over a thousand dedicated members sharing info in our newletter and most was not made public just to confound the fakers and insure we didn't get stuck. For example, On Mauser High Turrets, there is one small stamp hidden from view that MUST be present or the rifle is a fake. It's called the bunny stamp, but you won't find it listed in any pub, specifically Senich's or Law's German sniper books who were members.
The rifle for sale is not original. There's several clues, but the most obvious one is right in the write up:
"There is a ZF-41 side rail scope mount with waffen 135 code for duv Berlin-Lubecker which is correct".
The 135 code is for Mauserwerk. BLM's code (the actual maker) is 214 and that's what should be on it.
Whoever put that gun together knew no real Mauser collector would be fooled. Snipers are not an area for a novice to tread. There used to be a member named Tank Driver who would buy original parts and make up rifles. When he was discovered selling them without listing they were accurate reproductions, he was kicked out of the network.
Yes sir, I fully understand all of that, and had no questions about Ricci's rifle being a real deal, I saw what it was right away.
My question was about the handguard serial numbers. In pencil, was that only on the ZF-41?
And don't tell me anymore than you have to here on the forum, I'm a full fledged member of the "Don't Feed the Fakers" club! I hold this scum in the same sub-level as child molesters, animal abusers, and gun thieves.
Ricci Wright, I have no questions about your honesty on your auction. It's just not possible to know all the details, of all forms of collectable firearms. But you can see that when it gets into collector firearms, and a specific niche like a Mauser sniper, you need ALL the info you can get. You could be giving away a rare collector piece, or having to deal with a pizzed off buyer.
There's a wealth of info here, with real experts on all types of firearms, and it's free for the asking, tap that info like it's another auction tool![:)]
There's no big secret on the handguard stamp. The Germans made one of the most fragile and thin Mauser handguards ever, especially before laminate came into use. It was very easy to crack.
In 1944, Albert Speer was in charge of Reichs production of munitions. He doubled production and in some cases, tripled it. He was a bonafied efficiency expert.
I've never seen a 44 or 45 K98k handguard numbered by stamps. A pencil or none at all as it took less manhours. The Germans used serfs on their numbers that Americans are not used to making. It's easier for a faker to use number stamps than duplicate the Euro style of numbering with a pencil.
In many ways, it's like looking at Japanese shin gunto swords. Growing up, all that was around were originals. Now that repros are being produced, it's easy to tell the fakes and handling originals is the best way I know to learn.
That makes sense, I haven't either unless it was a Yugo rebuild. The Sauer's and Erma's I've seen were all early war production.