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Please Settle this Dissagreement
younggunz
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I like to shoot paintball with all my friends. We have a lot of fun and its cool.
Shooter4 says, now that I'm learning to shoot "real" firearms and not "toys" that I should give up paintball, sell them, and get into the real thing.
Shooter4 also says that the first rule of firearm safety is to keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. And he says that if I get used to pointing a paintball gun at real people trying to "kill them in paintball terms" that this is not a good idea and that I had better get my priorities straight. Shooter4 says that you don't point a gun at a person unless you are aiming to kill.
Honestly, he thinks he know everything (even though he is a certified NRA Instructor and an experinced shooter for many years).
Naturally, I disagree. It is true that a person MIGHT confuse the two and have an accident with a real gun.
Personally, i think that any person in his or her right mind would be able to tell the difference between a real firearm and a paintball gun. There are many things different about the two, like bulkiness
and a dramatic increase in size and weight.
So tell me, what do you think?
"You know their is something wrong with the world when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the USA of arrogance, and the Germans don't want to go to war!"
Shooter4 says, now that I'm learning to shoot "real" firearms and not "toys" that I should give up paintball, sell them, and get into the real thing.
Shooter4 also says that the first rule of firearm safety is to keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. And he says that if I get used to pointing a paintball gun at real people trying to "kill them in paintball terms" that this is not a good idea and that I had better get my priorities straight. Shooter4 says that you don't point a gun at a person unless you are aiming to kill.
Honestly, he thinks he know everything (even though he is a certified NRA Instructor and an experinced shooter for many years).
Naturally, I disagree. It is true that a person MIGHT confuse the two and have an accident with a real gun.
Personally, i think that any person in his or her right mind would be able to tell the difference between a real firearm and a paintball gun. There are many things different about the two, like bulkiness
and a dramatic increase in size and weight.
So tell me, what do you think?
"You know their is something wrong with the world when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the USA of arrogance, and the Germans don't want to go to war!"
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"You know their is something wrong with the world when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest guy in the NBA is Chinese, the Swiss hold the America's Cup, France is accusing the USA of arrogance, and the Germans don't want to go to war!"
DWS, Tea and Crumpets before we play? or perhaps a cucumber sandwich?
JuJu (fess up, who here owns a croquet set?)
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
Paintball is also good self defense sitops practice also.
You learn concelment and basic tactics quickly, Ouch that hurts!
When you play with the real thing, its for real and lasting.
Just be careful, as always
Walte
Shooter4 Has a point. And a good one. A lot of the guys that I know that do paint ball don't own guns. Let me explain, they do it and they are quite honest about it. But they do it for the thrill knowing they won't kill someone. They use it as stress relief. The reality of it is you can not apply paint ball gun handling to the real thing (I know, you know that).
My mom, like Shooter4 was also an NRA rifle and pistol instructor, trust me, & Shooter4 on his motivations on the issue. It hurts to say it, but if an NRA instructor says thats what you got to do. Just do it.
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1. A good rule of firearm safety is to keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
2. You don't point a gun at a person (or anything) unless you are aiming to kill (destroy).
With real guns these are safety rules you (or someone else) can live or "die" by.
The body (muscles) learn a practiced action (motion).
Examples;
Ever drive a standard? Your left foot "naturally" goes to the clutch pedal, right hand to the shifter.
If you switch to driving an automatic, have you ever found your foot and hand reverting to the old pattern? Especially approaching a stop light/sign.
Ever drink pop/beer from a regular size bottle, then switch to a long neck, and find that you sometimes hit yourself in the mouth when going to take a drink?
For smokers (or ex smokers) who use regular size for years, then get a pack of 100's and find themselves lighting the thing in the middle?
These are all almost the same, yet with slightly different actions.
Kind of like the different guns you will use.
With practice your body/mind learns a "pattern."
That traits that you are teaching yourself with paintball is to "SHOOT TO KILL."
Just pointing something out, not siding either way.
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Ever drink pop/beer from a regular size bottle, then switch to a long neck, and find that you sometimes hit yourself in the mouth when going to take a drink?
Yes but the other way,have a few long necks,switch to cans and pore it
down my front.
I decided not to play paint ball because it trains you to overshoot and lead your target.
however I've got many hundered hours of doom and never pointed a gun at anyone.
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personaly,.. I find thatpaintball stuff costs wayyy too much,...so I never got into it. I put my money in an actual firearm,..that won't be last years model,..next year. So,. mine will be worth money and the paintball stuff will be traded for a set of speakers or a $20 bill one day. That is not a dig at paintball either,...that is the result of me seeing how much the used paintball stuff is discarded for.
But,...I don't think you have to choose one or the other. Being a firearms owner is a thing of respect and maturity,...if you don't have those,..it doesn't matter if you are a crack-head or a boyscout.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
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I was pretty into it, but despite my interest in the game I do not think there is any connection in my mind or in my muscle-memory between my auto-mag and say; my glock. Two very different things that are very easily distinguished.
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I will always love paintball as it represents combat, and i like that sort of stuff.
Keep up the paintball...where do you live? we should play. I will warn you...i wear a ghillie suit when i play, so its near impossible to spot me, much less shoot me.
However, i would like to add, that i DO practice proper "gun ethics" or whatever you want to call it...I never point my gun at someone outside of the game. Hey guys--- doubt me now, but its good training for when China invades.
-bd
-How many times have I told you that whenever I hear the words "civil rights attorney", I reach for my glock? How many times have I told you that when I hear the words "civil rights attorney", I make sure my AR-15 is oiled?-
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but yeah, paintball is just all in good fun.
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It's very hard not to be able to distinguish between them and a real gun. No matter which I happen to be using at the time, I always practice safety. Whether it be on a paintball field with my barrel plug in the end, or in another location with a rifle or pistol. My point..I don't care which one I have with me, I treat them both the same.
It's a dog-eat-dog world...and nine times out of ten I have on Milk-Bone underwear.
I've played in the past but I agree with shooter. Those paintball guns are a waste of $$. That top of the line paintball gun will never hold its value. Think of all the guns you could own if you didn't waste your time & money on that game. Then again I have the same opinion with sterio equipment.
Regards,
Muscle memory is an involuntary reaction which, through repetition, a specific skill set has been learned and ingrained. In this case we are talking about shooting. Whether you realize it (or will acknowledge) it or not, you are being conditioned to shoot a weapon in the paintball arena and many of those shooting habits WILL transfer over to your "real" shooting experinces.
I attended a advanced close-quarters pistol course and they showed us a video of a State Trooper whose "dashcam" captured his death. How? Well, in the middle of the fire fight, the Trooper had the upper-hand on the CRIMINAL, but when he emptied his gun, instead of reloading and finishing the job, he BENT DOWN TO RECOVER HIS BRASS!!!!! Just as he had been trained to do at the range; the criminal recovered his bearing and finished the job for the Trooper[:(]. Again, high stress situation, MUSCLE MEMORY (through repetition and practice), takes over, whether you like it or not.
Oh yeah.... just my .$02.
NSDQ!
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quote:Muscle memory is an involuntary reaction which, through repetition, a specific skill set has been learned and ingrained.Yes, muscle memory becomes an integral part of shooting.
SAFETY, however, should never be something you do on 'autopilot'. You should ALWAYS be conscious of what you are doing, and how you are doing it. Know your backstop doesn't mean that if it's the same backstop you used before you use it again without checking it!
Anyone that classifies their gun handling practices (as opposed to the actual mechanics of shooting) as "automatic" needs to reevalute being a gun owner.
Do both, obey the rules, enjoy.
JJ the laser tag player AND firearms enthusiast gun nut
My heros have always killed cowboys.
You'd have to be pretty unconscious to be at the range, lapse into a flashback of paintballing, and start shooting firearms at people. It's almost comical to try to comprehend that actually happening.
I see nothing comical about it,I was referring to the lax attitude,I mean if you r lax with a loaded paintball gun ,might you be lax with a real one as well?And would'nt it be MUCH easier to b lax with a paintball gun?We were not talking mass casualties,just an accident by a laspe in judgement on a safety issue.Admittedly most would'nt have this problem but who wants to roll the die and find out who can and cannot be trusted.....L.H.
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People don't relax with paintball guns either. There are a stringent set of safety rules followed at paintball ranges.
You can run, but you'll just die tired.
I think that bad habits can be learned playing with the paintball gun and carried over to the real guns.
Things like keeping your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot and always keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
I believe that its much safer to not reinforce these bad habits.
Its true that good habits learned from instructions on the real guns can be carried over to the paintball shooting, I just don't think the two go together for a young, new shooter.
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
Thanks you for putting that in such such simple terms. I agree with you 100%.
Paintball is just recreation, its not a bunch of people who are training to kill each other in real life (though some may seem like it).
-bd