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Extremist signatures
Bullzeye
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I figure since our boy robo now has the logo of an extremist party as his signature and nobody seems to mind, I may as well follow suit.
Saor ?ire!
Saor ?ire!
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"Right is Right, even is everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it"
May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't.
- General George Patton Jr
Greg
Former
USMC
ANGLICO
SUPPORT THE I.N.S. , THE COUNTRY THEY SAVE COULD BE YOUR OWN
We gotta show our roots! Heck, Paboogers sig shows his trunks! Were just going a little deeper.
James
Do your troops train with live cobras? ROYAL THAI ARMY DOES!
Sinn Fein means "We ourselves".
Rugster
"Toujours Pret"
While I'd love to see a reunited Ireland, I'm doing this to prove a point about robo's sig.
Come all you gallant Irishmen,
And join the IRA
We'll strike a blow for freedom,
When it comes a certain day,
You know your country's History,
And the sacrifice it made,
Come join the First Batallion
Of the Belfast Brigade.
Saor ?ire!
I had been following his story for a long time before his death.
Do you believe he was a Political or Criminal Prisoner?
Or do you think he was a Prisoner of War as he proclaimed?
http://www.awbansunset.com/
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
Come on, I'm usually one of the first to ask for everyone to keep it friendly or funny. [;)]
James
Do your troops train with live cobras? ROYAL THAI ARMY DOES!
To be perfectly honest, I'm a little iffy on what the deal is with the IRA. Despite my heritage, I haven't studied them and their actions extensively enough to know whether they are a morally-bankrupt terrorist group that targets civilians (like al-Qaida), or a group of freedom fighters who target British government symbols in the interest of independence.
If anyone would care to give me an unbiased history, I'd be much obliged.
Saor ?ire!
Trinity +++
"Train up a child in the way he should go, even when he is old he will not depart from it."(Proverbs 22:6)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
There are several paramilitary groups which claim or have claimed the title Irish Republican Army (IRA), and advocate a unitary Irish state with no ties to the United Kingdom. All claim descent from the original 'Irish Republican Army', the 'army' of the Irish Republic declared by D?il ?ireann in 1919. Most Irish people dispute the claims of more recently created organizations that insist that they are the only legitimate descendants of the original IRA, often referred to as the "Old IRA".
* The Official IRA
* The Provisional IRA.
* The 'Real' IRA.
* The Continuity IRA.
see also Fenians
The Old IRA
The Irish Republican Army (IRA) has its roots in Ireland's struggle for independence from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in the early twentieth century. It is important to differentiate what is termed the 'Old IRA' or the 'Official IRA' from the Provisional IRA (PIRA), a splinter-group which formed in the late 1960s in the wake of the anti-Catholic pogroms, riots and murders (mainly in Belfast and Derry). The Old IRA very nearly disappeared in the process.
Although the history of the Irish Republican Army goes back a very long way, back far before the Easter Uprising of 1916 to Wolfe Tone, and the rebellions of the 1790s, its modern history can be traced to a declaration issued during the 1916 rising declaring that the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizens Army would be merged into one organisation. While the Volunteers and the Citizens Army continued in existence after this date, they effectively became one organisation and eventually the remnants of the Citizens Army merged with the Volunteers (all the modern organisations which have arisen from this grouping still use the Irish form of the name for their organisation, for example the Irish Defence Forces, the Official and Provisional IRA and the 'Continuity' and 'Real IRA' all lay claim to the title Oglaigh na h?ireann which means Irish Volunteers. Michael Collins took an active role in reorganising the IRA. Its formation and its subsequent development were inextricably intertwined and interrelated with the subsequent political history of Ireland and Northern Ireland and any consideration of the IRA therefore needs to be set firmly in context.
By 1916, the demands of World War I had sapped the British military machine, and the Irish Republican Brotherhood and the Irish Volunteers (or, in Irish, Oglaigh na h?ireann), the two main rebel movements of the time, the Irish Volunteer and the Irish Citizens Army, had resolved on a rebellion to force the British from the Irish shores. Weapons were to be supplied by Germany, under the auspices of a leading human rights campaigner, Sir Roger Casement.
In the upshot, the plot was discovered and the weapons were lost when the ship carrying them scuppered rather than be captured. The rebellion, however, proceeded.
The seizure of the Dublin post office, the raising of the a green flag with the words 'Irish Republic' written across it, along with a green, white and orange tricolour (which was actually supposed to be the flag of 'E Company', not of the republic, though it later came to be identified with the republic!) above it, and the reading of the proclamation of independence were to presage a bloody war. Though republican history often claimed that the Rising and its leaders had public support, in reality there were widespread calls for the execution of the ringleaders, coming from the major Irish nationalist daily newspaper, the 'Irish Independent' and local authorities. Dubliners not only cooperated with the English troops sent to quell the uprising, but undermined the Republicans as well.
However public opinion shifted gradually, initially over the executions without due process of 16 senior leaders--some of whom, such as James Connolly, were too ill to stand--and people thought complicit in the rebellion. As one observer described the drawn out process of executing the leaders of the rising, it was like watching blood seep from behind a closed door. Opinion shifted even more in favor of the Republicans in 1917-18 with the Conscription Crisis, when Britain tried to impose conscription on Ireland to boost its World War I war effort.
Sinn F?in was widely credited with orchestrating the rebellion, a particular irony as the party at that stage under leader Arthur Griffith was actually campaigning for a dual monarchy with Britain, returning Ireland to the relationship it had with Britain under the so-called 'Constitution of 1782' in Grattan's Parliament. The republican survivors, under Eamon de Valera, infiltrated and took over Sinn F?in.
In 1917, the party almost split over the division between monarchists (under former leader Arthur Griffith) and republicans (under Eamon de Valera). In a compromise agreed at its Ard Fheis (party conference) the party agreed to initially campaign for a republic. Having established one, it would let the electorate decide on whether to have a monarchy or republic; however if they chose a monarchy, no member of the British Saxe-Coburg-Gotha/Windsor Royal Family was to be eligible to become Irish monarch.
From 1916 to 1918, the two dominant nationalist movements, S?nn F?in and the Irish Parliamentary Party fought a tough series of battles in by-elections. Neither won a decisive victory. However the Conscription Crisis tipped the balance in favour of Sinn F?in. The party went on to win a clear majority of seats in the 1918 general election, though most were uncontested. Recent studies (based on analyses of seats contested, local elections and by-elections) suggest that Sinn F?in had the support of between 45% and 50% of the electorate in 1918.
Sinn F?in MPs elected in 1918 chose not to take their seats in Westminster but instead set up an independent 'Assembly of Ireland', translated from the Irish 'D?il ?ireann'. On the day in January 1919 this new unofficial parliament assembled in the Mansion House in Dublin (where it elected a prime minister (called Priomh Aire) and held initially by Cathal Brugha) and a ministry called the Aireacht) the first shots in the Irish War of Independence were fired.
The newly renamed Irish Republican Army (IRA), under the leadership of Arthur Griffith and Eamon de Valera, which had been formed from the remains of the Irish Volunteers, shot dead two British policemen in Tipperary. This quickly escalated into guerrilla warfare by what were then known as the Flying Columns in remote areas. Attacks on particularly remote Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) barracks continued throughout 1919 and 1920, forcing the police to consolidate in the larger towns for safety's sake, and effectively placing large areas of the countryside in the hands of the Republicans.
The British, still suffering from the fallout of World War I, were only able to send over small groups of first world war veterans to assist the police. The veterans reportedly wore a combination of black police uniforms and tan army uniforms, which, according to one version of the origins of the name, led to the nickname of the 'Black and Tans'. The brutality of the 'Black and Tans' is now legendary, and tales of their indiscipline and indiscriminate butchery of the local population are common.
The IRA too was accused of excessive violence; in particular against protestants in the Munster area. Both the D?il ?ireann (the Irish Parliament) and Sinn F?in were also proscribed by the British government.
David Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister at the time, found himself under increasing political pressure to try to salvage something from the situation. Eamon de Valera refused to attend since he realised that compromise was inevitable. The ultimate key to a breakthrough came from King George V, who, supported by international statesman General Jan Smuts, got the British government to accept a radical redraft of his proposed speech to the Northern Ireland parliament, meeting in Belfast City Hall in June 1921.
The speech, which called for reconciliation on all sides, changed the mood and enabled the British and Irish Republican governments to agree a truce. Negotiations on an Anglo-Irish Treaty took place in late 1921 in London. The Irish delegation was led by Arthur Griffith, after de Valera, newly upgraded to a full 'President of the Republic' by the D?il on his request in August 1921, then insisted that as head of state he could not attend as King George was not leading the British delegation.
Under the Government of Ireland Act 1920, two Irish states had been created, Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland. Under the terms of the Anglo-Irish agreement of 6 December 1921, which ended the war (1919-1921), Northern Ireland was given the option of withdrawing from the new Irish state created, the Irish Free State and remaining part of the United Kingdom. The Northern Ireland parliament chose to do so. A Boundary Commission was then set up to review the boundary between both states.
Irish leaders expected that it would so reduce Northern Ireland's size as to make it economically unviable. Contrary to myth, partition was not the key breaking point between pro and anti-Treaty campaigners; all sides expected the Boundary Commission to 'deliver' Northern Ireland.
The actual split was over symbols: could the Irish Republic be dissolved? Could Irish politicians take the Oath of Allegiance called for in the Anglo-Irish Treaty? Anti-treaty republicans under de Valera answered both questions in the negative. They withdrew from D?il ?ireann, which had narrowly approved the Treaty.
Many of the leading members of the Old IRA, the army of the Republic, joined the new national army of the Irish Free State. Many others went back to civilian life. A small minority, continuing to claim the title 'IRA' waged a bloody civil war against the new Irish Free State civil administration under W.T. Cosgrave.
The Irish Civil War broke out.
(..the Irish Civil War war)
IRA in the northern six counties mainly pro-treaty.
During the war, Michael Collins was shot in an ambush in Cork
.. need to research the next bit - to be continued
Please integrate with the above text.
Later IRAs
Here in more detail is a representation of a genealogical tree of Irish nationalist movements:
* Old IRA / Sinn F?in - fought in the War of Independence 1920-1921
o That part of Old IRA/Sinn Fein organised within Northern Ireland not included within the Free State (see below).
o The initial Free State government who accepted the compromise of the 1921 treaty which established the Irish Free State. Eventually became the modern-day Fine Gael Party of the Republic of Ireland
o That part of Sinn F?in / IRA organised within the twenty six counties that became the Free State rejected the compromise of the 1921 treaty with Britain and under Eamon de Valera fought the Irish Civil War against the Free State 'National Army'.
+ Fianna F?il - some years after losing the Civil War a faction of Sinn F?in led by de Valera returned to the democratic fold as the Fianna F?il Party which remains one of the two largest parties in the Republic.
+ The remainder of Sinn F?in / IRA together with that part of Old IRA/Sinn Fein organised within Northern Ireland carried on low level sporadic paramilitary activity in Northern Ireland. Over the decades it become more leftist.
# By the 1960s, having waged a disastrous 'border campaign of violence', Sinn F?in moved from a republican war vision to a marxist class war. With the outbreak of The Troubles Sinn F?in, or as it came to be called, Official IRA / Official Sinn F?in found itself sidelined. Over time the Official IRA faded away, the political side discarded its nationalism and became in succession Sinn F?in the Workers Party, the Workers Party, and finally the Democratic Left the most leftist of the parties in the Republic with seats in the D?il ?ireann (though also operating in Northern Ireland). Ultimately the party merged into the Labour Party.
# The more traditionalist republican members split off into the Provisional IRA / Provisional Sinn F?in, which operated mostly in Northern Ireland, waging a guerrilla war against the unionists and British, though they also killed members of the Irish army and the Garda Siochana (the Irish police force). A further split occurred in 1986, when the Southern Leadership of Provisional Sinn F?in (as the political wing of the Provisional IRA tended at the time to be called), under Ruairi O Br?daigh was deposed and replaced by a new Northern leadership under Gerry Adams. The deposed elements, who took a hardline republican stance, and opposed Provisional Sinn F?in's decision to abandon abstentionism and enter D?il ?ireann, set up a rival party and military wing, called Republican Sinn F?in and Continuity IRA.
* Members who did not accept the peace process split off to form groups such as the Real IRA.
* Provisional IRA / Provisional Sinn F?in (now more generally referred to simply as Sinn F?in and the IRA, moved to a more less militarist and more politically-led position, which ultimately produced the Hume-Adams report and the peace process.
The playwright Brendan Behan once said that the first issue on any Irish agenda was a split. In the IRA's case, that has constantly been the case. From the Old IRA, the paramilitary army of the Irish Republic came a minority who formed the Anti-Treaty IRA, which became the Official IRA, from which broke away the Provisional IRA. It then had its own breakaways, namely the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA, each claiming to be successor of the Army of the Irish Republic. Most Irish people, however, disagree with their claims.
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long..."
Some red flag went up on a computer in London and Washington when you went lookin' for that pic Bullseye[:D]
Lol, you'll get a phone call from the higher ups for that pic Bullz[8D][8D]. Being in the military, UCMJ is a tad more harsh on spies and insurgents[:p][}:)]
Frog
GO NAVY, BEAT ARMY
"You cannot conquer America." -William Pitt, 1777
This is in response to the recent posts by Roboman...I hate bomb throwers[:(!]...no matter if it's politically charged or how funny you think it is. How about some intelligent and engaging rapport?! Great way to get a rise Roboman! God, now I've fallen victim. Even your signature from Blade Runner doesn't change that opinion.
"You cannot conquer America." -William Pitt, 1777
What recent posts by me? I'm not the one who created this topic, nor did I create that one that Trooperchin was behind. Last time I checked I did not make a single thread proclaiming ALF or advocating for extremist signatures. People just putting words in my mouth and assuming about who I am because of an image.
I do like that quote from Blade Runner though. Does this mean I advocate for the use of Replicants?
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long..."
Hence the term bomb thrower.
"You cannot conquer America." -William Pitt, 1777
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long..."
"You cannot conquer America." -William Pitt, 1777
Point given and taken. Thank you for keeping it civil which is all I ever ask.
Not a problem Sir. All I ask for is respect.
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long..."
"Right is Right, even is everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it"
Go Army Beat Navy
IF you wanna have fun join the cavalry
R/
Dave
How different the world would be if we could consult the veteran instead of the politician. - Henry Miller
JC
Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.