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THE INDIANS DID IT WHY CAN'T WE DO IT????

tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
edited September 2003 in General Discussion
A tribe of Kansas Indians own a very, very small piece of indian land right across the street from city hall of Kansas City Kansas city government. (story in the K.C. Star newspaper). Casinos are illegal in KS, but the indian tribe wanted to exercise their rights to do as they pleased on indian land so they opened up the small casino I have described. The city mayor is furious but can't do a damn thing about it because indians have special rights (fair or not doesn't matter for the purpose of this post).

So, why can't religious gun owners quote the bible about owning and carrying swords (the handgun of the day)and demand special rights. In one paragaph Jesus COMMANDS his followers to sell all they own and buy a sword. In another paragraph it is described as how only a strong man, well armed, will be able to protect his home. That would have the effect of giving special rights to gun owners. Just as other religious groups have sued the federal govt. and obtained special religious rights to use illegal drugs in indian religious ceremonies, to hunt endangered species, to be served special diets in prison, to avoid military combat, to conduct special religious ceremeonies in prison, to practice witchcraft in society, to not pay social security taxes, to sometimes deny medical care to a seriously ill child, etc., etc. Will someone smarter than me tell me why we progun people are not trying to use this to help us from losing more and more gun rights? Somebody? Anybody?

When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
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  • Warpig883Warpig883 Member Posts: 6,459
    edited November -1
    Because the Indian tribes are a Soviern Nation recognized by the US Government as such.

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  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Well, ok, but what about the numerous examples I gave of people sueing the govt. for special "religious" rights? For gawd's sakes, don't be so quick to dismiss any new idea that has even a faint chance of helping us.

    When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
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  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There might be something to this idea. I suggest Ronnie Perkins for the leader and high priest!

    Mark T. Christian
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  • Warpig883Warpig883 Member Posts: 6,459
    edited November -1
    I didn't mean to dismiss your ideas. I must admit we need all the help and new ways to fight we can get.

    I just wish the Supreme Court would yell loud and clear that the 2nd Amendment is for all Americans to own and use all firearms. They could even tattoo this on the forehead of certain politicians and Hollywood halfwits and it would be fine with me.

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  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    Inalienable rights!
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  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Mark, your reply is nothing more than "gallows humor". You are an intelligent person so I know you don't need an explanation.

    When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
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  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mr. Fox, my suggestion of Ronnie Perkins came directly from YOUR own series of posts where you encouraged Ronnie to head up a sort of independent firearms dealers union. I can dredge up these posts if you wish, but what would be the point? If Ronnie was suitable as your choice to be my leader (I am an independent firearms dealer) then why not lead the entire new national firearm religion? We also have Indian casinos here in California (quite a few in fact) and the state was very unhappy that they can operate outside of California's strict gambling laws...these Native Americans are cutting into the State Lottery and Sacramento hates the competition!

    Mark T. Christian
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  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    Mark, Really,I expected more of you.I have come to respect you and your opinions...and understand your stance on a lot of issues.I do have to say that not only was that in poor taste but I think it was a por judgement call as well.Alienating those of us that believe in our 2nd ammendment rights,though not agreement with your views on the other issue shows a disreguard in general for gun owners that should be unighted on the one main freedom that we all hold dear.I am honestly surprised at your callous remark........L.H.
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  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Mark C. You can justify all you want, but my feeling is that you made quite a stretch whose only purpose was an unnecessary dig at me and at Ronnie Perkins. The dig at me I have no complaint about because I have years of experience of not only taking it but dishing it out. I rather enjoy it actually. But Ronnie Perkins is not here to respond so what exactly was the purpose of your comment?

    When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
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  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Feel free then to choose your own fireams Moses. I simply chose Ronnie based on the support he was receiving from a few members of this board some time back. This is another of the topics where I am sure the government "monitors" are getting a chuckle out of.

    Mark T. Christian
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  • tr foxtr fox Member Posts: 13,856
    edited November -1
    Mark, remember how the imprisoned Jews, under Hitler, thought they were finally getting a shower, and were probably cheerful and happy about it, when in fact they were getting poison gas? Don't try to make me think any government cannot trample our rights and fool us while they are doing it. And don't give me any flak about using the Jews as an example because I will use any good and reasonable example I think of.

    When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
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  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    Feel free then to choose your own fireams Moses. I simply chose Ronnie based on the support he was receiving from a few members of this board some time back. This is another of the topics where I am sure the government "monitors" are getting a chuckle out of.

    Mark T. Christian



    Support?[?]Did I miss something?I would support you as well Mark,and I thought I had made that clear...while I did not agree with the quick disregard on ronnies behalf,I did'nt think that it
    had ever come to taking sides? I do think a lot was misread on that issue,us extremists I guess simply wanted to be sure...it wasn't quite as clear to me,does that make me wrong?.......Laughing at anothers plight,self inflicted or not ,and those that try to rally support just doesn't seem to be the way this or any gun forum/lobby,should be.Am I wrong? I guess I haven't been here long enough to understand all the water under the bridge...forgive the ignorance....[V]L.H.
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  • bambihunterbambihunter Member Posts: 10,792 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yep, it isn't fair to say the least... There is no lottery in Oklahoma but one can drive onto indian land and gamble all night long. Also, they have some type of drug immunity when used in certian ceremonies.
    I see two sides to this. On one side, we came here and took their land and kept moving them around and totally changed thier way of life and they deserve to keep some of thier heritage. On the other hand, many invaders kill the natives and don't mess any more with it.
    That really doesn't answer anything, but the damage was done a long time ago, we just keep getting more and more fallout/backlash as it seems they have more rights than we do.
    Quite a dilemna to say the least.

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  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    Ahh but they have won a good deal in court folks...and if they hadn't been gettin screwed in the first place.....anyway,they ARE soverign nations,and as such there reservation is THEIRS.They CAN do what they want there.OUT of there the people have voted to allow these things because of the xtra tax$we are supposed to get ,the xtra jobs etc.I would be interested to know if they are allowed the weapons on their reservation that we are not allowed here,,,MARK????
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