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Another Patriot Act!

daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
edited August 2003 in General Discussion
I don't know if anyone else has brought this up, so I will anyway. Click and read the information on the newest Patriot Act and send a pre-written e-mail against it if you choose to do so.
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=11904&c=206
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My newspaper is reporting today that Congress plans to trim back some of the more intrusive bits of the Patriot Act over time. The first legislation to make a change is already in the works. The congressman quoted is a Republican, by the way.

    T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."

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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    I really love that "over time" bit... that being defined, no doubt, by whether or not Bush wins the next presidential election.
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SLEEP

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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    First and foremost, I have no opinion whatsoever on the following statements....I read them and thought I would share them with the forum...Again..they are not my opinions....

    I read this on the web and it was reported in the news...

    Did you know that a lot of citizens are thinking the events of 9/11 were planned by the US govt?...Reason? to gain control of the citizens by the govt. It seems it was the only way to get control of what everyone was doing etc was to push the bill stating it was for "protection" and the only way to make certain it was signed was to wreak havoc with the US people before hand.

    It goes on to say how the govt hired, and protected Bin Laden, but I think you get the gist of the info with out me posting the whole 4 page "letter"..
    And now another Patriot Act...again for the protection of the people...sure makes you wonder ...



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  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    POPPYCOCK!

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    To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
    This was the Ancient law of Youth
    Old times are past, old times are done:
    But the Law runs true, O little son!
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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Wasn't there an article about the US Government aiding Osama Bin Laden in the past? Sort like our aiding Noreiga of Panama. And, sorta like aiding Saddam with the building of his chemical plants. Or sorta like Cheney, while with Halliburton, asking the US Government to drop the sanctions against Iraq. Or like Halliburton in Africa losing some nuke material?

    Anyone see any connection here at all? Other than dumb moves by us--as in Pogo: I have seen the enemy and he is us.

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
    Resident Pyrrhonist
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  • BlackieBoogerBlackieBooger Member Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by offeror
    My newspaper is reporting today that Congress plans to trim back some of the more intrusive bits of the Patriot Act over time. The first legislation to make a change is already in the works. The congressman quoted is a Republican, by the way.

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    But some of the Democraps running for president think we aren't doing enough, Just imagine the amounjt of freedoms we will lose if they get back into power.

    "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, not liberty to purchase power."
    Benjamin Franklin, 1785
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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    So we still have people pretending that this is a Democrat vs Republican problem...
    Some day,when they grow up,they will realize it is now Ashcroft/Bush...Republicans,by the way...now pushing these freedom destroying rules/regulations and laws...exactly the same way the former president..a Democrat,by the way..pushed his freedom destroying ideas through....

    Beautiful,the way people are unable to think their way out of the morass created by the elite....

    God,Guts,& GunsHave we lost all 3 ??
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't see conspiracies in all these events, but I do see a short-sighted, selfish and cynical attitude by groups like the CIA and others who prop up regimes who would rather have armies and smuggling rights than food for their people. We are very slow learners in that regard.

    T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."

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  • FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by daddo
    I don't know if anyone else has brought this up, so I will anyway. Click and read the information on the newest Patriot Act and send a pre-written e-mail against it if you choose to do so.
    http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=11904&c=206

    There was a thread on this topic about a month ago, and since I've already expressed my opinions there, I'll just say that Patriot II is an even grosser violation of the Constitution than Patriot Act was in 2001.

    I don't see any reason to think that the government planned 9/11 -- though some argue that they might have looked the other way for political reasons -- but people are letting certain politicians scare them into voting for them and tolerating politicians' violations of their civil liberties. Of course, we've seen this for a long time with people scaring elderly voters about Social Security.

    "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

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    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants and the creed of slaves." -- William Pitt (1783)
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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    I just love it when folks attempt to justify the gross violations of the Constituiton by the Bush Administration by saying "Imagine what the Democrats would do!"

    Hypothetical situations make a poor comparison to actual events. Clinton's assault weapons ban was an annoyance, but the Patriot Acts are an honest-to-God affront to EVERYTHING the Constitution stands for.
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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    To you Bush apologists, is that the best you can do? "Imagine if a Democrat were in the White House?" A hypothetical scenario makes a poor argument against real life events.

    Let's take a look at the facts: Osama Bin Laden destroyed the Twin Towers and hit the Pentagon... so Bush punished Saddam Hussein for it.

    Bush's popularity has returned to prewar levels as the sluggish economy and continued unrest in Iraq take their toll on people's patience. Today the government announced that the liklihood of another 9-11 "were almost imminent." After all, 9-11 did gangbusters for Bush's approval ratings, so why wouldn't another help just as much?

    Bush, not Clinton, created the Patriot Acts and the Department of Homeland Security.

    And it was Bush who has so far failed to deliver on his promise for justice to Osama Bin Laden. The man he promised to take in "dead or alive" is still very much alive and very much not taken. Heck, he can't even catch Hussein!

    So what was it again that the Democrats did that makes all of these intrusions and violations look so appealing in comparison?
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  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Offeror: quote:I don't see conspiracies in all these events, but I do see a short-sighted, selfish and cynical attitude by groups like the CIA and others who prop up regimes who would rather have armies and smuggling rights than food for their people.

    Don't think the CIA and other intel organizations develop these plots without the approval and funding of the administration in power at the time. [;)]

    Did you read Rumsfield's comment about the increase in poppy/heroin production in Afganistan? He said it's a demand problem caused by Europe and there is little we can do about it. Funny, isn't it, when the Taliban were in power, they shut down the poppy cultivation by the simple expedient of "off with their heads." Of course, we are much more civilized, aren't we?[:o)]

    It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
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  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    Demo or repub. Don't matter to me,they have all made their deal with the devil to get where they are or they simply would NOT be there.And I do not mean the "devil" biblicly speaking although he would be the prime target....any how FS----
    As usual you did not dissapoint,That is quite a thing bt Ceasar,and a scary one,and true,and............
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  • IAMAHUSKERIAMAHUSKER Member Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey FreudianSlippers, where did you get that quote from Julius??
    Was it here http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm
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  • FreudianSlippersFreudianSlippers Member Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by IAMAHUSKER
    Hey FreudianSlippers, where did you get that quote from Julius??
    Was it here http://www.snopes.com/quotes/caesar.htm

    If you'll notice, I did not attribute the quotation to anyone, including Julius Caesar, because it is obvious that Caesar is not the author -- what intelligent leader would admit to using patriotism as a tool to control people?

    This is a popular net quotation that many people assume to be the words of either Julius Caesar or William Shakespeare. As far as I know, the quotation never appeared in print before 2001. Short of the culprit stepping forward, there's little likelihood of ascertaining who did write this politically convenient quotation, but we know it wasn't Shakespeare, and we can be reasonably sure it wasn't Julius Caesar. Nonetheless, the anonymity of its writer does not detract from the truth of the message.

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  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    [:D]
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