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CO:VT styleCCWupdate,politicians suck! please read
jpwolf
Member Posts: 9,164
And so does the NRA and CSSA. Here's why grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr[:(!]
Yesterday the Colorado Freedom to Carry Act, HB1281, was killed by
political maneuvering.
We'll detail the whole thing, but suffice it to say that what truly
killed the bill was a deal cut between the NRA and Republican Leadership
(at least in the House).
The House State Affairs Committee, where HB1281, is an 11-member group,
with 7 Republicans and 4 Democrats. What used to be considered a very
conservative committee has changed drastically, as you will see below.
Many of the usual suspects testified against the bill: Ron Sloan, who is
the Arvada Chief of Police (he actually cited Handgun Control Inc in the
hearing -- thanks, Chief Sloan, for keying us into your political
leanings) and who testified on behalf of the Chiefs of Police, the
County Sheriffs of Colorado and the Denver Police Department. Also
testifying against the bill was the head of the League of Women
Vipers...er, Voters, and the Colorado Coalition Against Domestic
Violence (apparently, their director thinks a piece of paper bearing the
letters "Restraining Order" are better protection to a frightened woman
than a Glock).
State Rep. Mike May boldly rebutted the claims of the anti-gunners, and
other pro-gun committee members joined in on the fun. RMGO Executive
Director Dudley Brown and a few other private citizens testified for the
bill.
Unfortunately for Colorado gun owners, one member of the committee is on
a trip to the Far East (Rob Fairbank), and one was sick (Shawn Mitchell,
someone who has routinely supported gun rights issues). While some
might claim shenanigans with the two absences, that is unlikely -- the
true shenanigans have yet to be revealed.
House Speaker Lola Spradley, who is already running for Governor,
appointed a replacement for Fairbank: State Rep. Bob Briggs, a
Republican from Arvada. That was a sure sign that things were going
wrong for HB1281. Briggs is well known as a big government, lefty
Republican.
Remember that State Rep. Bill Sinclair, the term-limited Committee Chair
from Colo. Springs, had signed a written pledge to support a Vermont
bill. And Rep. Sinclair told HB1281's sponsor, Greg Brophy (who did a
bang-up job presenting and defending the bill), that he would vote for
the bill.
But House Speaker Lola Spradley had a deal to live up to: there has been
growing talk, confirmed by many sources, that the NRA isn't pushing any
gun bills in Colorado because it is an election year and they don't want
to hurt Republican's reelection efforts, primarily those of the State
Senate.
We'll explore this issue fully in another e-mail. But we wanted proof
that this was the case, and so Rep. Brophy contacted Dave Gill, VP for
the Colorado State Shooting Association, to ask them if they were
supporting this bill.
Dave Gill's response was that CSSA "is not going to work on 1281 - I'd
support it next year." What this means, along with other evidence, is
that CSSA and the NRA agree that gun issues are harmful to Republicans
in an election. Once you've agreed to that proposition, you might as
well fold up shop and build a throne in the State Capitol to Tom Mauser
and Sarah Brady -- now they've got supposed "gun rights" leaders
believing their lies.
Back to the House Speaker: Lola Spradley was spotted talking to Rep.
Sinclair seconds before the committee hearing. The fix was in.
Rep. Sinclair voted with the solid members of the committee (Dave
Schultheis, Mike May, Kevin Lundberg, and Bill Cadman) to pass the bill,
but that failed on a 5-5 tie (Republican Bob Briggs voted with the Dems
against the bill). Usually, the Chairman would hold the bill over until
a member returned later in the week. Rep. Briggs then did the Speaker's
bidding and moved to "Postpone Indefinitely" the bill (i.e. kill it).
Briggs joined the Democrats, and rather than sticking to his guns, Rep.
Sinclair voted to PI the bill. In other words, he figured he could have
his cake and eat it, too. It's entirely too bad that Rep. Sinclair
isn't able to run for re-election, as we'd relish letting voters know of
his shell game.
That means Vermont/Alaska concealed carry is dead for yet another year.
In our next e-mail, we'll fully explore this deal cut between leadership
and the NRA/CSSA. In the meantime, stand by for more fireworks.
And, remember the above names: all politicians are ambitious. When the
Speaker begins her run for Governor in earnest, she may just find that
gun owners aren't so keen on these kind of political games.
Dudley Brown
Executive Director
Toll-free line 888-874-3006
Direct Office Line 970-842-3006
Rocky Mountain Gun Owners
Colorado's Largest Gun Rights Organization
PO Box 3114
Denver, Colorado 80201
Phone & Fax (888) 874-3006
http://www.rmgo.org exdir@rmgo.org
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
Yesterday the Colorado Freedom to Carry Act, HB1281, was killed by
political maneuvering.
We'll detail the whole thing, but suffice it to say that what truly
killed the bill was a deal cut between the NRA and Republican Leadership
(at least in the House).
The House State Affairs Committee, where HB1281, is an 11-member group,
with 7 Republicans and 4 Democrats. What used to be considered a very
conservative committee has changed drastically, as you will see below.
Many of the usual suspects testified against the bill: Ron Sloan, who is
the Arvada Chief of Police (he actually cited Handgun Control Inc in the
hearing -- thanks, Chief Sloan, for keying us into your political
leanings) and who testified on behalf of the Chiefs of Police, the
County Sheriffs of Colorado and the Denver Police Department. Also
testifying against the bill was the head of the League of Women
Vipers...er, Voters, and the Colorado Coalition Against Domestic
Violence (apparently, their director thinks a piece of paper bearing the
letters "Restraining Order" are better protection to a frightened woman
than a Glock).
State Rep. Mike May boldly rebutted the claims of the anti-gunners, and
other pro-gun committee members joined in on the fun. RMGO Executive
Director Dudley Brown and a few other private citizens testified for the
bill.
Unfortunately for Colorado gun owners, one member of the committee is on
a trip to the Far East (Rob Fairbank), and one was sick (Shawn Mitchell,
someone who has routinely supported gun rights issues). While some
might claim shenanigans with the two absences, that is unlikely -- the
true shenanigans have yet to be revealed.
House Speaker Lola Spradley, who is already running for Governor,
appointed a replacement for Fairbank: State Rep. Bob Briggs, a
Republican from Arvada. That was a sure sign that things were going
wrong for HB1281. Briggs is well known as a big government, lefty
Republican.
Remember that State Rep. Bill Sinclair, the term-limited Committee Chair
from Colo. Springs, had signed a written pledge to support a Vermont
bill. And Rep. Sinclair told HB1281's sponsor, Greg Brophy (who did a
bang-up job presenting and defending the bill), that he would vote for
the bill.
But House Speaker Lola Spradley had a deal to live up to: there has been
growing talk, confirmed by many sources, that the NRA isn't pushing any
gun bills in Colorado because it is an election year and they don't want
to hurt Republican's reelection efforts, primarily those of the State
Senate.
We'll explore this issue fully in another e-mail. But we wanted proof
that this was the case, and so Rep. Brophy contacted Dave Gill, VP for
the Colorado State Shooting Association, to ask them if they were
supporting this bill.
Dave Gill's response was that CSSA "is not going to work on 1281 - I'd
support it next year." What this means, along with other evidence, is
that CSSA and the NRA agree that gun issues are harmful to Republicans
in an election. Once you've agreed to that proposition, you might as
well fold up shop and build a throne in the State Capitol to Tom Mauser
and Sarah Brady -- now they've got supposed "gun rights" leaders
believing their lies.
Back to the House Speaker: Lola Spradley was spotted talking to Rep.
Sinclair seconds before the committee hearing. The fix was in.
Rep. Sinclair voted with the solid members of the committee (Dave
Schultheis, Mike May, Kevin Lundberg, and Bill Cadman) to pass the bill,
but that failed on a 5-5 tie (Republican Bob Briggs voted with the Dems
against the bill). Usually, the Chairman would hold the bill over until
a member returned later in the week. Rep. Briggs then did the Speaker's
bidding and moved to "Postpone Indefinitely" the bill (i.e. kill it).
Briggs joined the Democrats, and rather than sticking to his guns, Rep.
Sinclair voted to PI the bill. In other words, he figured he could have
his cake and eat it, too. It's entirely too bad that Rep. Sinclair
isn't able to run for re-election, as we'd relish letting voters know of
his shell game.
That means Vermont/Alaska concealed carry is dead for yet another year.
In our next e-mail, we'll fully explore this deal cut between leadership
and the NRA/CSSA. In the meantime, stand by for more fireworks.
And, remember the above names: all politicians are ambitious. When the
Speaker begins her run for Governor in earnest, she may just find that
gun owners aren't so keen on these kind of political games.
Dudley Brown
Executive Director
Toll-free line 888-874-3006
Direct Office Line 970-842-3006
Rocky Mountain Gun Owners
Colorado's Largest Gun Rights Organization
PO Box 3114
Denver, Colorado 80201
Phone & Fax (888) 874-3006
http://www.rmgo.org exdir@rmgo.org
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
Comments
Your political shenanigan's on HB1281 did not go unnoticed. The criminals of this state thank you for protecting them, because you have just become their ally. Have you even looked at the criminal statistics for Vermont? It is the safest place to live in America, while Chicago just took the #1 spot from D.C. as the murder capitol of the U.S. Both cities with mega gun control. Criminals love gun control. But you don't care about facts. You do understand that those folks you seek to protect do not generally vote, most can not. But those of us that you put in harm's way, do. Way to go.
I would urge Colorado GB'ers to fire off an email as well. And if any of the rest of you feel inclined, it would be greatly appreciated. I would like her to be flooded with our sentiments. Thanks.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
I do not hold out much hope for either the NRA or the CSSA to help with any gun rights issues. Their track record here in Colorado leaves a lot to be desired. The next e-mail concerning these two groups should be interesting.
You can be sure that e-mails will be sent.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
You've got one heck of a fight on your hands! And I wish you success.
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!
Got a link to send letters to? Got a few things to say to them folks,even if I am here in Maine....L.H.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.