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Nader's Going to Run....
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Uh oh, and Yeehah! Nader's saying he's going to run. Well, it's a horse race now.... Russert says "this decision is going to upset a LOT of people!"
Nader says this is not a two-party country and it is reprehensible for the Democrats to discourage him from running for selfish reasons. Nader also claims that we are in a "quagmire" in Iraq (I don't think that's true). Nader believes Bush should be impeached for prevaricating on matters of national security (something else I think is based on exaggeration).
So while Nader will add to the national debate by the sharp way he describes things, he himself is probably too radical to make much of a dent -- except that he WILL draw critical votes away from the Democrat. In 2000, he drew about 9% of the Florida vote, for example (about 22,000 to the major candidates' 250,000 apiece). Of course, he points out other independents got thousands of votes in 2000 too, so he's not solely to blame for anything, but he was still one of the top three, even at 1/10 of the number of votes received by the top two.
Nader: "Democrats are caving in to the corporations....I support equal rights for same-sex couples -- that can occur at the state level or {maybe federal} -- the main tragedy that undermines marriage is divorce..."
Nader says that those who call him an egotistical spoiler in this election are "well-meaning hostages to an antiquated electoral-college winner-take-all system."
Bush just got a boost despite the fact Nader will spend time criticizing him, because he criticizes sell-out Dems too, and regardless of what he espouses, Nader always tends to cut into Democrat, not Republican, votes on election day.
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
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Nader says this is not a two-party country and it is reprehensible for the Democrats to discourage him from running for selfish reasons. Nader also claims that we are in a "quagmire" in Iraq (I don't think that's true). Nader believes Bush should be impeached for prevaricating on matters of national security (something else I think is based on exaggeration).
So while Nader will add to the national debate by the sharp way he describes things, he himself is probably too radical to make much of a dent -- except that he WILL draw critical votes away from the Democrat. In 2000, he drew about 9% of the Florida vote, for example (about 22,000 to the major candidates' 250,000 apiece). Of course, he points out other independents got thousands of votes in 2000 too, so he's not solely to blame for anything, but he was still one of the top three, even at 1/10 of the number of votes received by the top two.
Nader: "Democrats are caving in to the corporations....I support equal rights for same-sex couples -- that can occur at the state level or {maybe federal} -- the main tragedy that undermines marriage is divorce..."
Nader says that those who call him an egotistical spoiler in this election are "well-meaning hostages to an antiquated electoral-college winner-take-all system."
Bush just got a boost despite the fact Nader will spend time criticizing him, because he criticizes sell-out Dems too, and regardless of what he espouses, Nader always tends to cut into Democrat, not Republican, votes on election day.
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
NRA Life Member
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IT'S WHAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEMSELVES THAT MAKES THEM AFRAID.
"Right is Right, even is everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it"
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
I was thinking how nice it would be for the "people to run the Government" instead of the the other way around like it is....... Seems Nader thinks so too. Wonder where this will all lead to????
But "Sheeple" are prone to be "sheeple" and therefore, they will "jump off the cliff" if their leaders do it....... We have spent too much time "following" and it is now time to participate and voice your opinion and to get out and Vote.......no matter what your pursuasion!
There must be a way to send the proper messages to our Government leaders voicing our needs.......NOT their wants!!!! What is it???
I Miss The World I Grew Up In!
quote:The popular vote does not matter. I
Uh huh. Tell that to Gore and the Democrats. [:D] Gore was ALL upset about it in 2000. Of course, you are right about this.
The Dems are very nervous today, and they claim Nader may NOT be irrelevant. I assume they know whereof they speak. I don't think Nader is much of a factor, but it may not take much this time around. They would be better off without his candidacy. And as a Bush supporter, I can enjoy that sub-plot... Particularly since the Dems could use a little reality check given their cynical willingness to play politics with things like the post-9/11 expenditures for homeland security and the bad intelligence re Iraq (even Saddam thought he had WMDs and tossed inspectors out to protect them -- now THAT's bad! Is it any wonder the intelligence came down on the side of Iraq's having them?). So now the Dems get Nader. Poetic...
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Now that Dean is out of the race, the country will need someone new to laugh at.
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I agree with those who believe this race will be closer than many suspect, Bush's financial war chest notwithstanding. I don't know what in the hel* he's waiting for, though.
JC
Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.
Well Salzo, if it comes down to Florida again my boy is a cinch right? Last time I checked Ol' Jeb was still governer.[:D]
I think I am missing the point you are trying to make. Care to elaborate?
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the French." (Mark Twain) ". . . And DemoCraps" (me)
But the more I read of Nader's platform, the more I realize that he's a nutjob.
I think I stopped reading when he talked about how he would completely reverse "a criminal "justice" system that grossly discriminates against poor people of color," and "put the Billionaire Burglars behind bars where they belong instead."
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate for an outright ban, picking up all of them, "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in," I would have." -Sen. Dianne Feinstein