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New York Resident Pistol Permit Holders
woodshed87
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I Recvd this From Senator James Seward today
Roger
As an update to an earlier email, I wanted to be sure you were aware that the New York State Police have officially launched a new website which includes instructions regarding pistol license recertification.
This is yet another of the stipulations included in the governor's NY-SAFE Act adopted in 2013.
According to the law, anyone holding a pistol license prior to the passage of the NY-SAFE Act has until January 31, 2018 to recertify his license. This is a recertification, not a renewal.
The form is available online at https://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms and can be completed online or printed and returned via mail. A link is also available on my website at www.seward.nysenate.gov. If you have difficulty accessing either website, I will have forms available at my district offices: 41 South Main Street, Oneonta; 235 North Prospect Street, Herkimer; 4030 West Road, Cortland.
I strongly disagree with the need for this recertification and that's why I voted NO on the NY-SAFE Act. And you have my word that as the new legislative session begins, I will continue to work for repeal of the NY-SAFE Act and will block any other attempts to further erode your Second Amendment rights.
Sincerely,
Jim Seward
Roger
As an update to an earlier email, I wanted to be sure you were aware that the New York State Police have officially launched a new website which includes instructions regarding pistol license recertification.
This is yet another of the stipulations included in the governor's NY-SAFE Act adopted in 2013.
According to the law, anyone holding a pistol license prior to the passage of the NY-SAFE Act has until January 31, 2018 to recertify his license. This is a recertification, not a renewal.
The form is available online at https://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms and can be completed online or printed and returned via mail. A link is also available on my website at www.seward.nysenate.gov. If you have difficulty accessing either website, I will have forms available at my district offices: 41 South Main Street, Oneonta; 235 North Prospect Street, Herkimer; 4030 West Road, Cortland.
I strongly disagree with the need for this recertification and that's why I voted NO on the NY-SAFE Act. And you have my word that as the new legislative session begins, I will continue to work for repeal of the NY-SAFE Act and will block any other attempts to further erode your Second Amendment rights.
Sincerely,
Jim Seward
Comments
What is the stated intent of the 'Recertification'?
Does it require more information than the original application?
I find it interesting that it requires complete information of every pistol you own, not just those that you plan to carry.
Do you forfeit your license if you refuse to recertify?
Drives me nuts that this type of thing can become law in any state, but as we have seen over the years, what happens in NY State and California has a bad habit of finding its way to other states.
Brad Steele
How does concealed carry differ from premises carry?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
If I had to fill out that form, I'd be marking box 1, 2, 3, or 4, for sure.
How does concealed carry differ from premises carry?
Premises carry only allows you to have a gun at home or at a state-certified shooting range. Concealed carry is extremely difficult to get in NY State due to liberal, anti-gun judges. Permit approval is up to the sole discretion of the county judge, although there are a few gun-friendly judges in Upstate NY.
This "recertfication" BS is part of Cuomo's Un-SAFE Act and is most likely a prelude to restricting or cancelling permits that many people have had for years. I got mine in 1976 but, fortunately, I moved out of NY State to Virginia so Cuomo can kiss my Southern *.
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
Polite, open and notorious refusal to comply by 25,000 or more showing up at the capital building would stop this crap in its tracks.
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
exactly, but should be a higher number and also will never happen, we do not hold the collective power to do such a thing
now blacks on the other hand know how to do it, every single government agency in the country is afraid of them via demonstrations
Polite, open and notorious refusal to comply by 25,000 or more showing up at the capital building would stop this crap in its tracks.
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
Thousands of lawful gun owners have protested at the capital on numerous occasions but Cuomo just closed his window and sneered. [:(!]
"Comply"
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Polite, open and notorious refusal to comply by 25,000 or more showing up at the capital building would stop this crap in its tracks.
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
Thousands of lawful gun owners have protested at the capital on numerous occasions but Cuomo just closed his window and sneered. [:(!]
Yep, after we messed up his grass at 1st demo he sent his cronies over to our reserved area with signs that said "no firearms allowed, this includes LEO" This was Demo that Trump attended. He even sent his private army NYSP to a public area we were demonstrating at that he thought was to close to his White Water festivities. Demonstrators were about to be arrested but County Sheriff showed up and demanded that State Police leave. And there is much,much more. King Cuomo is a POS.
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Polite, open and notorious refusal to comply by 25,000 or more showing up at the capital building would stop this crap in its tracks.
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
Thousands of lawful gun owners have protested at the capital on numerous occasions but Cuomo just closed his window and sneered. [:(!]
Yep, after we messed up his grass at 1st demo he sent his cronies over to our reserved area with signs that said "no firearms allowed, this includes LEO" This was Demo that Trump attended. He even sent his private army NYSP to a public area we were demonstrating at that he thought was to close to his White Water festivities. Demonstrators were about to be arrested but County Sheriff showed up and demanded that State Police leave. And there is much,much more. King Cuomo is a POS.
so he waited out a few hundred people that gave up and went home ?
if we had half the ambition blacks do we would have thousands from every state show up every time this anti gun crap showed up and we would get our way, but the same excuses over and over again
i dont have the time
email your representative
write your representative
call your representative
its not my city, county, state it will never effect me
i have to work {not 24/7 we could take shifts}
the excuses go on and on, and so does the liberal progression of gun grabbing while we sit on our *
quote:Originally posted by 4205raymond
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Polite, open and notorious refusal to comply by 25,000 or more showing up at the capital building would stop this crap in its tracks.
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
Thousands of lawful gun owners have protested at the capital on numerous occasions but Cuomo just closed his window and sneered. [:(!]
Yep, after we messed up his grass at 1st demo he sent his cronies over to our reserved area with signs that said "no firearms allowed, this includes LEO" This was Demo that Trump attended. He even sent his private army NYSP to a public area we were demonstrating at that he thought was to close to his White Water festivities. Demonstrators were about to be arrested but County Sheriff showed up and demanded that State Police leave. And there is much,much more. King Cuomo is a POS.
so he waited out a few hundred people that gave up and went home ?
if we had half the ambition blacks do we would have thousands from every state show up every time this anti gun crap showed up and we would get our way, but the same excuses over and over again
i dont have the time
email your representative
write your representative
call your representative
its not my city, county, state it will never effect me
i have to work {not 24/7 we could take shifts}
the excuses go on and on, and so does the liberal progression of gun grabbing while we sit on our *
A few hundred people? Official estimates were between 11,000 and 12,000 at 1st demonstration.
Pathetic.
nM's Shooting Sports Association (NMSSA) tried for years to get Concealed carry passed through the (d) legislature, and then they met me.
I had zero desire to join yet another list, but since I carry all the time; I figured I'd see what I could do.
After 2 weeks of visits and phone calls, I had a group of 300 consisting of lawyers, politicians, NRA reps, Citizen Watchdogs, pissed-off volunteers, teachers, lobbyists, gun shop owners, state cops and one Judy Vanderstar Russell. She introduced the newly-crafted bill, my coalition spoke, the (d) legislators listened, and it passed.
When it came before the House, we had a sponsor and ONE witness to testify. She was fresh out of prison, spoke eloquently of her situation, and convinced those (d)bags that it not only made perfect sense; but they could charge for the privilege.
Maybe you NY gun folk could try that.
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
Agree, but I got my chops busted on this very forum last weekend for pointing out people who allow themselves to be "permitted " are part of the problem.
quote:Originally posted by bpost
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
Agree, but I got my chops busted on this very forum last weekend for pointing out people who allow themselves to be "permitted " are part of the problem.
I regret my decision.[V]
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
When is it enough and the how much can the people take before they tar and feather that buzzard !
237 years ago he would be hanging from a tree !!
Myself and Several Of My Friends Were There
It Was A Good turn out But he's a Mafia bastage
And Does What he Wants
And yes,,,, NO 'Recertification' means Loss Of Every Gun You Own
Not Just Your Handguns "For LIFE"
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Polite, open and notorious refusal to comply by 25,000 or more showing up at the capital building would stop this crap in its tracks.
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
Thousands of lawful gun owners have protested at the capital on numerous occasions but Cuomo just closed his window and sneered. [:(!]
Show back up en masse again and DEMAND they arrest you ALL! It is your rights being trampled, I feel sorry for your states residents. Strength of numbers rings very loudly in the halls of a State Legislature.
Organize NOW!
You're already motivated, there are 11-12,000 folks just sitting at home, WAITING to be mobilized.
Mid-january is when the legislature meets, no?
Grab a friend, bring your phones, go to the library, and start that phone tree. Call everyone you both know, have them call their friends, maybe find a legal beagle to contest this crap, why wait?
Get your friendly legislator a sign up sheet with as many names as you can get ( now is NOT the time for timidity; the signatories are ALREADY on a "list"), and let your representative know that all 20,000 of you WILL attend the session.
C'mon, man; if you wait for someone else to do it for you, you've already lost.
Just let me know when to be there ....Ill attend
As will I..........
Only 10,996 left to go!
First, they're "too effing smart" and too complicated, too sophisticated to be single issue voters. That's for animals, right? Oh, animals like civil rights, senior citizens, happy rights, illegal aliens - seems to have worked pretty darn well for them.
Second, in CA, NY, etc they're truly OK with some gun control. Waiting period - OK. Background - OK. Testing .... well, as long as it doesn't cost too much. Really sweetheart, we'll just put it in a little - cause you're OK with that .... [}:)]
Finally,the good old "gun owning Democrat" who pisses and moans about how "the Republicans are so mean - they won't let Susie use Bobby's bathroom" and then votes Democrat. As a group they won't lift a finger against their party, won't tell them to change, that would be too much work. Easier to complain about the Republicans, because no fails at complaining. Doubt me?
The Democratic Party just fielded three of the most anti-gun Presidential candidates in their history. And you heard not a single peep, no organization against them, from within the party or Democrat gunowners as a group.
I'm in CA. Post on a CA gun site "we should be single issue" voters and the above excuses just roll out. So, sorry guys - y'all done it to yourselves.
It will get worse before it gets better. people do not want to risk what they have. What we have is a job, shelter, heat, weekends off to play, family, hot showers......you know because you all have it too.
are you willing to put that all on the line ? I guess time will tell. You can only push a man so far and then he will push back. "They" know just how far to push. They gave us back a 10 round magazine from the silly 7 round limit the Safe Act originally stated. "They" figure that was a compromise.
The problem is that the New York State Police have to answer to Cuomo and WILL enforce the Safe Act. I know several Troopers that say they will not, but if it comes to what I said above (job, hot shower, etc.......) they will enforce to keep their jobs !
Keep your powder dry..... The US Constitution is still solid but they are chipping away at it. Time will tell whether or not we will be legally able to keep our guns.
Gunowners in states like NY, MA, CA aren't going to get anywhere for a couple of reasons -
First, they're "too effing smart" and too complicated, too sophisticated to be single issue voters. That's for animals, right? Oh, animals like civil rights, senior citizens, happy rights, illegal aliens - seems to have worked pretty darn well for them.
Second, in CA, NY, etc they're truly OK with some gun control. Waiting period - OK. Background - OK. Testing .... well, as long as it doesn't cost too much. Really sweetheart, we'll just put it in a little - cause you're OK with that .... [}:)]
Finally,the good old "gun owning Democrat" who pisses and moans about how "the Republicans are so mean - they won't let Susie use Bobby's bathroom" and then votes Democrat. As a group they won't lift a finger against their party, won't tell them to change, that would be too much work. Easier to complain about the Republicans, because no fails at complaining. Doubt me?
The Democratic Party just fielded three of the most anti-gun Presidential candidates in their history. And you heard not a single peep, no organization against them, from within the party or Democrat gunowners as a group.
I'm in CA. Post on a CA gun site "we should be single issue" voters and the above excuses just roll out. So, sorry guys - y'all done it to yourselves.
Wow.
Guess you're right; better to just lay back, don't struggle, and try to enjoy it. After all, they're just one more thing "we" can do without.
BTW-the "million anything Marches" have far fewer participants than the overblown media estimates; but then, they have no reason to lie....
and New York City steers this boat...sadly....[V][xx(][V]
quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
Gunowners in states like NY, MA, CA aren't going to get anywhere for a couple of reasons -
First, they're "too effing smart" and too complicated, too sophisticated to be single issue voters. That's for animals, right? Oh, animals like civil rights, senior citizens, happy rights, illegal aliens - seems to have worked pretty darn well for them.
Second, in CA, NY, etc they're truly OK with some gun control. Waiting period - OK. Background - OK. Testing .... well, as long as it doesn't cost too much. Really sweetheart, we'll just put it in a little - cause you're OK with that .... [}:)]
Finally,the good old "gun owning Democrat" who pisses and moans about how "the Republicans are so mean - they won't let Susie use Bobby's bathroom" and then votes Democrat. As a group they won't lift a finger against their party, won't tell them to change, that would be too much work. Easier to complain about the Republicans, because no fails at complaining. Doubt me?
The Democratic Party just fielded three of the most anti-gun Presidential candidates in their history. And you heard not a single peep, no organization against them, from within the party or Democrat gunowners as a group.
I'm in CA. Post on a CA gun site "we should be single issue" voters and the above excuses just roll out. So, sorry guys - y'all done it to yourselves.
Wow.
Guess you're right; better to just lay back, don't struggle, and try to enjoy it. After all, they're just one more thing "we" can do without.
BTW-the "million anything Marches" have far fewer participants than the overblown media estimates; but then, they have no reason to lie....
I'm not sure where you get from my post that we should take it but that rather, unfortunately, in CA they are "taking it" - for whatever reason, is beyond me. I vote single issue, I contribute time and a fair amount of money and support pro-gun organizations. That puts me in the great minority of CA gun owners.
Trying to get CA gunowners to vote as a block meets with all sorts of rationalizations. Maybe they just don't care, maybe God forbid it hasn't gotten bad enough out here.
A march? That idea gets shot down straight away, know why? It could be presented as a negative by the media, so why bother? Better to do nothing. Does that make sense? Doesn't to me.
CA gunowners could be a significant voting block but for the reasons mentioned just don't do it.
The Hollywood crowd of overpaid professional pretenders continue to rail against the very props they use to make billions of dollars, stopping movie crimes & eviscerating "bad guys" like a fat kid eats Twinkies.
Meanwhile, these elitist hypocrites go about their business, guarded by guys with guns. Why do THEY matter more than the citizenry that pays for the privilege of seeing their movies?!
Tell ya what, if you pay for, rent, or watch their simulated reality; YOU are funding the very thing you are fighting.
A couple months of ZERO 2nd Amendment-oriented participation in their fantasy world will cost them some of their smug elitism.
An entire YEAR of boycotting them and their advertisers will get their attention.
If only HALF of Kali's gun owners did this one simple thing; the pinheads would be freaking out.
You've got a choice; start small now, then build on your gains, or grab yer $#!? & leave.
If you never stand up for your Rights, you'll never know when they're gone.
New York State has a giant zit on its behind called New York City...
and New York City steers this boat...sadly....[V][xx(][V]
+1000, Your post pretty much tells it all. I demonstrated across this state against King Cuomo and the NY(unsafe)Act of 2013,wrote letters, e-mailed, called legislators, walked the halls of Legislative Office Building even paid the bus fare for ten extra people to go to Albany. I am also in a lawsuit against the Safe Act.I really don't think Gunnut 505 is getting the big picture in this state. Andrew Cuomo sucks the blood out of Upstate and Western NY and sends it Downstate. My state senator and assemblyman are on my side but all like minded legislators are totatly outnumbered. Two of King Cuomo's cronies are already in prison. I have a home in Va. and soon I hope King Cuomo can stick my Unrestricted Pistol License (that was supposed to be for life) up his *. The only way I know to solve the problem in New York State is civil disobedience or get the hell out.
One "constituent" calling & writing does nothing, even if he buys bus tickets for 10 more "constituents".
Sure, there are MILLIONS more people in NY than nM, and I'm certain that keeping your investments is paramount; but you know as well as the rest of America that a large number of people who get pissed off enough to actually show up, draws news cameras.
When(if) that happens concerning a subject close to your heart; be prepared!
Have several eloquent spokespersons in "Elmer Fudd" guise (since that's who the reporters are looking for to discredit the event) elucidate the Constitutional basis for their concerns. Have pre-printed Press Releases that explain exactly WHY the proposed ideas violate existing laws, disregard Constitutionally enumerated Rights, and cause hardship for those hardest hit by foolishness such as "this proposal".
Raymond: I live in a state that voted for Shillary this last time around. (d) politicians have ruled this state since 1912, when we ceased being a Territory. I know VERY WELL what it's like not having any representation in the political arena. I also know that fully half of the politicians in this state are corrupt, lying thieves, and the rest didn't speak English at home until 2009.
One "constituent" calling & writing does nothing, even if he buys bus tickets for 10 more "constituents".
Sure, there are MILLIONS more people in NY than nM, and I'm certain that keeping your investments is paramount; but you know as well as the rest of America that a large number of people who get pissed off enough to actually show up, draws news cameras.
When(if) that happens concerning a subject close to your heart; be prepared!
Have several eloquent spokespersons in "Elmer Fudd" guise (since that's who the reporters are looking for to discredit the event) elucidate the Constitutional basis for their concerns. Have pre-printed Press Releases that explain exactly WHY the proposed ideas violate existing laws, disregard Constitutionally enumerated Rights, and cause hardship for those hardest hit by foolishness such as "this proposal".
We tried all that. Have you ever heard of an organization called "We The People of New York"? Even the judges are corrupt. I am totally burned out. Appreciate your suggestions.
NRA Endowment,Native Son of Virginia, "Give Me Liberty or Give me Death"
Question...
Is this a carry permit? or simply permit to own a pistol?
I just downloaded NY Pistol/Revolver License Recertification Form from NYSP and they want drivers license number. Obviously will be tied to DMV data base. What next?
. Thats no accident. Now they can bust down your door for the slightest infraction because you become a danger to society and have a criminal mentality if you get a dwi
So you can't ask poor minority folk to have an ID to vote well isn't this also a little onerous on the poor folks who would have to comply with this difficult requirement?
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by bpost
Polite, open and notorious refusal to comply by 25,000 or more showing up at the capital building would stop this crap in its tracks.
It is clearly unconstitutional and nobody should comply.
exactly, but should be a higher number and also will never happen, we do not hold the collective power to do such a thing
now blacks on the other hand know how to do it, every single government agency in the country is afraid of them via demonstrations