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.223 vs. .308...Which are best!

Smokin GunsSmokin Guns Member Posts: 99
edited February 2004 in General Discussion
I've got them both, but which are keepers? Need some expert help here.

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  • HeavyBarrelHeavyBarrel Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    .308
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  • wizard78wizard78 Member Posts: 3,144 ✭
    edited November -1
    223s are best, so send me your 308s. [8D]


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  • trooperchintrooperchin Member Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Awww, thanks for the giveaway! PLease enter my name in for the m1a(s). [;)][8D][}:)][:D]

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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Is that Jack Benny I hear on the radio?
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  • PATBUZZARDPATBUZZARD Member Posts: 3,556 ✭
    edited November -1
    Please add my name too!!! [}:)]

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  • drl50drl50 Member Posts: 2,496 ✭
    edited November -1
    The .223 when your humpin the ammo. The 308 once your in the foxhole. I was more drawn to the old radio. It's also pretty cool.

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  • trusta45trusta45 Member Posts: 516 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I love those M-14's and M1A's so I will give it to the .308 hands down.
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  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    I am a realist. Which of the 2 will you shoot more often? Which of the 2 do you enjoy shooting. Why can you not have both? You figure which you keep. My 2 cents [8D]

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  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,278 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How much for the Radio [:p][:p][:p] [:D]

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  • TwoDogsTwoDogs Member Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nice weapons..
    But concerning your question.
    Ballistically your comparing apples to oranges.

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  • Rafter-SRafter-S Member Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    For deer, elk and water buffalo, the 223 is OK. But for elephant you should go with the .308.

    Hope this helps.

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  • SuspensionSuspension Member Posts: 4,783
    edited November -1
    308 and enter my name also[:D]

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  • plains scoutplains scout Member Posts: 4,563
    edited November -1
    For a cheap war and humping tons of ammo and wounding more often than killing so as to require three men out of action vs one the .223 It is also fun to shot as it is cheap and you can burn baby burn when it comes to ammo.

    For a killing machine .308

    For hunting I have hunted with both and I have killed deer with the .223 (okay guys I know all the blah blah on using the right gun) and so long as you are within 100 yards and make a good shot a 223 will kill deer. 223 is good coyote gun out to about 200 yards.

    But for killing at all distances and being sweet music -- the 308

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  • .280 freak.280 freak Member Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Smokin' -

    Nyuk nyuk nyuk. You rascal, you.
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  • wundudneewundudnee Member Posts: 6,104 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can't make a choice, so I'll just take your .22s.[;)]

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  • Smokin GunsSmokin Guns Member Posts: 99
    edited November -1
    quote:223s are best, so send me your 308s

    Wizard, Y'alls a "Leetle Sheet"...[;)]
    [Nyuk nyuk nyuk. You rascal, you./quote]

    Gotta have some fun! .280...[8D]



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  • ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Why would you get rid of any? 223 is best for urban sniper situations, minimize penetration, .308 is best suited for military situations.

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  • Smokin GunsSmokin Guns Member Posts: 99
    edited November -1
    quote:so I'll just take your .22s

    WDN, Who y'all foolin'...I'd trade some a'mine,fer some a'yers anytime!...[8D]

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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I helped a friend take a radio "like" that, to the Antique Road Show, to have it appraised, when they came to town. Put it on a dolly and wheeled it around, in the lines, for quite a spell. He is a 100% disabled Vet and I volunteered to push this thing. Don't remember what it appraised for, I was more interested in spending some time with my friend.

    Oh...about the guns....who cares. [:o)] [}:)] [:D]

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  • Smokin GunsSmokin Guns Member Posts: 99
    edited November -1
    quote:.308 is best suited for military situations.

    Yep! But law'd a'mercy that cartridge is a handful!...[;)]

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  • PinheadPinhead Member Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Smoking, the .223's seem to really like each others company and since there are so many of them, you really shouldn't break up a happy group. Now the .308's look a little lonesome and in need of a nice foster home. Send them to me and I promise they will received the love they deserve, all the proper nutrition(Fed Match 168grain), and I promise to make sure they very best of medical care(no gunsmith will be too good for them), and they will never be lonely. Disregard all the other obviously selfish replies that you have received.
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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
    edited November -1
    If you are talking about a ballistic comparison, the .223 is by far the poorer round.

    The .308 will kill ANYTHING out to and beyond 1,000 yards. The .223 is effective at best to 400 yards, and that is a real stretch for it.

    This also applies to the 7.62 NATO versus the 5.56.

    Anyone who tells you otherwise is talking out his *.

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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
    edited November -1
    Obviously, everyone agrees with me.

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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Without reading any of the comment above I want to say this. The best cartridge is the one you can shoot accuratly and will do the task at hand. So no matter if it is shooting game or targets or worse case scenario fighting off mobs of invaders the one that is best is the one YOU can do the job with in the most effeciant manner. No matter if you have the latest in the super mag catagory or a rimfire, if you cannot shoot it well enough to do the job it is not the best choice. Ammo choice has a lot to with with it as well.

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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
    edited November -1
    7MM - just for the sake of discussion... you would then conclude that someone competent and comfortable with a .22 would be better off using that one on an elk, than he would be using a .308 with which he was less competant and comfortable?

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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I wasnt comforatable with a gun that is needed to kill an elk I wouldn't be hunting elk! You are gonna get me started on something that goes off subject here concerning city slickers and fancy guns wounding deer[:D]

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  • jsergovicjsergovic Member Posts: 5,526
    edited November -1
    I have no rifles. But I ask a lot of questions.. Isn't there a big difference between the two? I kinda picked .243 to be my first rifle caliber...

    Got a .243, beat-up as a washed up boat oar? That's the one I want.
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  • 0311marine0311marine Member Posts: 3,233
    edited November -1
    .308 hands down stick with the .308

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  • Rebel_JamesRebel_James Member Posts: 4,746
    edited November -1
    .308 is the best all around. .223 has it's limits.

    JMO



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  • gogolengogolen Member Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Nice weapons..
    But concerning your question.
    Ballistically your comparing apples to oranges."

    Couldn't agree more these rounds both have advantages over each other it all depends on what you plan on doing with them.
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Law's o' mercy, that's a hard question.

    Clouder..
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  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    jsergovic -- Yep, there's a big difference between the two. This is not a question that one would normally expect to see asked. [:D]

    Having said that, the .308 is generally thought of as a long range, battle rifle/sniper round, and the .223 is thought to be a mid-range mid-power rifle round. Your .243 fits neatly between and is generally thought of as a hunting round.

    But if somebody wants to ask which is "better," I'd have to say the .308 is "better" than .223 because I want a great defensive gun more than a varmint-wounding/mid-range gun, so if I can only keep one tactical rifle, the .223s would have to go. Mileage will differ by intended application. I think the .243 is a heckuva choice for the sportsman, as is the .270.

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  • bigtirebigtire Member Posts: 24,800
    edited November -1
    To answer your question. They are ALL keepers!

    What is missing in your collection is a nice 7.62x39 AK, or one in 5.45x39. How about a nice M1 Garand in 30-06? Or a M1 carbine?

    308 is probably the best battle rifle caliber. I prefer to shoot it out of an L1A1. [:D]

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  • Smokin GunsSmokin Guns Member Posts: 99
    edited November -1
    quote:308 is probably the best battle rifle caliber. I prefer to shoot it out of an L1A1

    I'm with ya bigtire! Shopping around for one now! [8D]

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  • Smokin GunsSmokin Guns Member Posts: 99
    edited November -1
    whiteclouder,

    quote:Law's o' mercy, that's a hard question.


    Nope young'son! Jest gotta decide if a .17 is worth havin'...[:X]

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