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Daughter got ticket for improper backing?!

mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
edited June 2008 in General Discussion
Let me set this up for you, my 18 year old daughter just graduated HS and is going off to College on a full Scholastic Scholarship, she watched movies with a young man who lives in our community a couple miles away in our living room last night till 10:30 or so and then went to take the boy home, on her way out of his complex she got confused and turned the wrong way so she told me she looked to make sure no one was coming and turned around with a "5 point" turn? Anyway the female officer who must have observed this rightly pulled her and asked her if she had been drinking, which of course she had not, she explained her dilema, (this is a VERY polite, well mannered kid) the lady gives her a 232 dollar ticket! Christ this kid is busting her * working for peanuts, volunteering at the hospital, and gets straight "A's, has never drank or done drugs she didn't speed or run a red light which had she done I would say serves you right. Jeez is the community to hard up now they have to pick on good kids? No way this kid should not have gotten a warning, she is upset because to come home for court will cost her more then its worth so I will pay it for her?! Some Cops don't get it, the drug dealing thieves are still down the road each night. Too bad I guess decent kids are less trouble, she now has a sour attitude about the people out there protecting her. Had to get it off my chest
Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    $232?????
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  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    Set it for jury trial...
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  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo


    Set it for jury trial...




    yep, not sure but if that's considered a moving violation you'll be better off
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  • peonpeon Member Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Down here you wouldn't even get a ticket like that unless you had an accident. Read the offense under your state's transportation code and make sure all of the criteria were met to be issued a citation.

    You can set it for a trial and she can argue her case, or hope the officer doesn't show.

    Another option is to contact the municipal court/JP's office and see if she is eligible for Defensive Driving. Upon completion of the course, they drop the charge, plus you get a discount on your insurance.
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  • njretcopnjretcop Member Posts: 7,975
    edited November -1
    My advice, go to court, explain it to the judge, he can dismiss tickets.......
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  • steeltoe1978steeltoe1978 Member Posts: 3,248
    edited November -1
    I guess it's easier for the officer to pick on your kid than do any real work. Pieces of s--- officers like the one that gave your kid the ticket give the good officers a bad name. Take it to court. [:(!][:(!][:(!] PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED TOO!!!!!
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  • bhale187bhale187 Member Posts: 7,798
    edited November -1
    and the kicker is there are plenty of folks on here who don't think there should be such a thing as officer discretion
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Good kids, and solid older citizens commit traffic violations.
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  • nomadictaonomadictao Member Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Revenue enhancement. [:(]
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  • bobskibobski Member Posts: 17,866 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    go to court. thats what courts are for.
    Retired Naval Aviation
    Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
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    MO, CT, VA.
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  • slipgateslipgate Member Posts: 12,741
    edited November -1
    Most likely she was stopped for an alcohol check, when that failed, they gave her the BS charge. Fight it in court, some judges will be sympathetic and drop the fine to $25 or so.
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  • KSUmarksmanKSUmarksman Member Posts: 10,705 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    is the officer a limey or something?
    "impropah" backing...sounds like one of those limey rules...like how to fight a "propah" war [xx(]

    Any move that does not inconvenience other drivers or get you in a wreck is kosher!!!
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    My ex-wife, when we were still married, got three tickets from DPS troopers. I don't, and didn't blame the troopers, even though she got one ticket she should not have gotten.

    Speeding ticket #1, I told her to take Defensive Driving. She did, and it went away.

    Speeding ticket #2, I told her to see the judge. She did, and made a deal for deferred adjudication.

    She got a ticket for running off the roadway. She did, and hit a fence. She called a wrecker to come get the car. She notified the owner of the fence. She caught a ride with a helpful passerby back to the house and got the spare car. She drove back by the scene of the accident, and the trooper was just getting there. He was really angry that she had the car removed. Heck, he should have just gone on and not made an accident report, but he insisted on going to the body shop, examining the car, etc. He basically called her a liar everytime she answered a question. He ended up writing a ticket for some obscure offense, and changed the offense title on it before it got to court. In my opinion, she had satisfied her legal responsibilities, and by law, she had 10 days to report the accident to DPS, so there was no reason for the trooper to be ugly about it. If I had been called to an accident scene under identical circumstances, I would have given the driver a blue form and told her to have a nice day. She went to court on that one, and the trooper didn't show up. Case dismissed.

    Texas DPS troopers seem to be cut from a different bolt of cloth from local city and county officers. They seem to think that they can't talk to anyone, even to give directions, without writing a ticket. Just the same, you can't really fault them for it. It's how they are trained, and the numbers are how their performance is evaluated.
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  • tomahawktomahawk Member Posts: 11,826
    edited November -1
    go to court,plead not guilty and ask for a trial by jury, like matty said. the judge will amend it down to an affordable fine and court cost to kep the county from incurring the expense of a jury trial. done it a bunch on the advice of my old lawyer when i was young and was always accused of racing[;)][:D][:D]
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  • txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Just like everyone else has said (most of em) go plead to the court. I have never seen anyone have to pay the full amount when they talk with the judge.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    I don't know what "improper backing" is, unless one actually backs into something. Here we call it "backing without safety," and the charge is usually filed as a result of a collision.
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  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the support guys, like I said had she peeled out, done something dangerous I would fully support the ticket, poor kid was in a residential street not a busy road, and simply tried to turn around to come home, I don't think I can go to court for her and as I mentioned she is leaving the area to go to school and flying her right back home is more expensive then the ticket, so I will pay it for her. Maybe the lady had no option after she called it in to write the ticket like one of the posters mentioned could have been political fund raising so to speak. Oh well not a good feeling to see the disappointment in her face, but that is what kids do to you , make you soft! [:D][:o)][:I][8)]
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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  • jma2006jma2006 Member Posts: 474 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did I miss something, Whats the Violation??

    Starting to sound like harassment to me.
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  • peonpeon Member Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jma2006
    Did I miss something, Whats the Violation??

    Starting to sound like harassment to me.


    Check the title of the thread.[;)]
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  • jma2006jma2006 Member Posts: 474 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks, Got it, Your suppose to read the title......OOOOPS.


    Found This
    http://www.njdriverslicenses.com/points.php


    Yikes....2points
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  • Rebel_JamesRebel_James Member Posts: 4,746
    edited November -1
    Not liking writing tickets is what pushed me into CID. Don't get me wrong, DUI's go to jail, Reckless Drivers go to jail. But if a person was honest about it and was nice, I just couldn't write them at ticket that would take money out of their pocket.

    Besides, catching a burglar in a building at 2 am is a much better feeling than writing a teenager a silly traffic ticket.

    Working Homicide is another rush that a BILLION traffic tickets can't match.

    I know a 'Traffic Officer' that wrote a speeding ticket to a fireman from a neighoring county. He later found out the fireman's department SOP required him to report any tickets they were issued.

    He called and reported the ticket. The fireman hadn't reported it so he was suspended one shift. NO way that was right.

    IMO, most tickets are written only for the revenue!

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  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000 ✭
    edited November -1
    Well, I don't know what "improper backing" is, but I would let a judge decide if I thought there were extenuating circumstances.
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  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think you're right about the sour attitude about the people out there protecting her, and most likely it will stay with her.

    I got an unrighteous ticket forty-seven years ago and I haven't gotten over it yet. Back then my wife (girl friend at the time) used to tell me I was young and had plenty of time to get over it. Now she tells me I'm old and don't have all that long to live with it.

    I went to court. The cop who wrote the ticket told the judge it was an unrighteous ticket. The judge asked the cop why he wrote it. He told the judge he wrote it because his supervisor told him to. He found me guilty because he didn't accept not guilty pleas on Mondays.

    To this day I refuse to call our legal system a "Justice System".
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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  • kissgoodnightkissgoodnight Member Posts: 4,063 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Go direct to DA Office. Talk to them. Quite often they can dismiss this type of action.
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  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Another fine example of why broads need to be in the kitchen not in a patrol car.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    I would fight this one in court...
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,540 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well I will give my common sense approach. I wasn't there to hear the conversation between the officer and the driver.The officer pointed out to the driver, after asking for her drivers license and registration , the violation. What attitude happened after that from the driver MIGHT have gotten the ticket issued. Even though a child acts correctly at home does not mean they act the same way when they are not around the parents. Let the driver fight it the way they want. DO not fight their battles cause you may look stupid in court when something from the officer comes out. ( like she called the officer a witch under her breath and the officer heard her ).
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  • kyplumberkyplumber Member Posts: 11,111
    edited November -1
    the city needs to pay for gas in their squad cars, just pay it! [}:)] [:(]
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  • spanielsellsspanielsells Member Posts: 12,498
    edited November -1
    I may have read this wrong, but something's missing.

    She got lost INSIDE the complex, correct? That being the case, that's a driveway and that's PRIVATE PROPERTY in which, at least in most jurisdictions, police can't issue tickets for minor driving infractions.

    I can't tell you the number of times I handled accident claims (I was an insurance adjuster for 15 years) and heard time and time again that the police wouldn't come out because an accident was on private property. I handled claims in 37 states, never had one incident where a person was cited on private property for a traffic violation. EVER.
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Someday it will be us against them!
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  • xericoxerico Member Posts: 125 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mogley98
    Let me set this up for you, my 18 year old daughter just graduated HS and is going off to College on a full Scholastic Scholarship, she watched movies with a young man who lives in our community a couple miles away in our living room last night till 10:30 or so and then went to take the boy home, on her way out of his complex she got confused and turned the wrong way so she told me she looked to make sure no one was coming and turned around with a "5 point" turn? Anyway the female officer who must have observed this rightly pulled her and asked her if she had been drinking, which of course she had not, she explained her dilema, (this is a VERY polite, well mannered kid) the lady gives her a 232 dollar ticket! Christ this kid is busting her * working for peanuts, volunteering at the hospital, and gets straight "A's, has never drank or done drugs she didn't speed or run a red light which had she done I would say serves you right. Jeez is the community to hard up now they have to pick on good kids? No way this kid should not have gotten a warning, she is upset because to come home for court will cost her more then its worth so I will pay it for her?! Some Cops don't get it, the drug dealing thieves are still down the road each night. Too bad I guess decent kids are less trouble, she now has a sour attitude about the people out there protecting her. Had to get it off my chest


    DO NOT PAY THE FINE! If you strongly believe that she should have not been ticketed, you should encourage her to fight the charge.

    Here are some suggested steps to help you win this battle.

    First. Request a Trial By Jury.
    Second. When you get notified about the date of the trial, ask to postpone it due to your daughter being away from home.
    Third. Her trial should be rescheduled. If the date does not correspond with her being home from school, repeat second step.
    Fourth. When you go to trial, you have a good chance of winning because very few officers will keep up with such a minor offense and will not show up. The case is decided in your daughter's favor.

    One of my co-workers has used this strategy multiple times to win her traffic violation cases.

    Xerico
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  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here's what the law says. I think the "IF" should get her out of the ticket:

    39:4-127. Improper Backing or turning in street

    "No vehicle shall back or make a turn in a street, IF by so doing it interferes with other vehicles, but shall go around a block or to a street sufficiently wide to turn in without backing."


    http://www.njlaws.com/improper_backing_or_turning_in_street_39.4-127.htm
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