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Startling NAZI revelations...
Colt Super
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Maybe a topic change will bring some of y'all out of the woodwork.
I'm sure that there are folks on this Forum that are far better to discuss this than I, so I just want to start some dialog.
I've been thinking about the the thread about the resurgence of Nazi symbols brought up in the Scout Sniper/tattoo thread.
I'm not an expert in this, but it seems that dramatic symbols have been key to some of the most historically significant movements in human development: the Roman Empire, the American Revolution and probably most strongly in Hitler's National Socialist German Worker's Party. I have seen the photos and newsreels of the Nazi gatherings, and there is no question that the heraldry and mysticism that Goebbels (?) implemented were an extremely important factor in uniting the German people after the humiliation brought on their Country by the Treaty of Versailles which ended WW I. That these devices are being brought back by an American elite unit, would seem to indicate that there is nothing else available for them to grasp onto that conveys the same sense of power.
For those guys to have to reach back nearly 80 years to find something to show their intense motivation, points out to me that we don't have anything contemporary to do this for them.
My point is, I think, that America today, needs something similar to unite and motivate us, and to stir the blood of our population. Something to defragment us.
I don't know what it would be, but I see the seeds being sown in the backlash to the current regime's crazy policies.
I'd like to hear from you guys that are really lots smarter than me, on this.
Did I make any sense at all ???
Doug
I'm sure that there are folks on this Forum that are far better to discuss this than I, so I just want to start some dialog.
I've been thinking about the the thread about the resurgence of Nazi symbols brought up in the Scout Sniper/tattoo thread.
I'm not an expert in this, but it seems that dramatic symbols have been key to some of the most historically significant movements in human development: the Roman Empire, the American Revolution and probably most strongly in Hitler's National Socialist German Worker's Party. I have seen the photos and newsreels of the Nazi gatherings, and there is no question that the heraldry and mysticism that Goebbels (?) implemented were an extremely important factor in uniting the German people after the humiliation brought on their Country by the Treaty of Versailles which ended WW I. That these devices are being brought back by an American elite unit, would seem to indicate that there is nothing else available for them to grasp onto that conveys the same sense of power.
For those guys to have to reach back nearly 80 years to find something to show their intense motivation, points out to me that we don't have anything contemporary to do this for them.
My point is, I think, that America today, needs something similar to unite and motivate us, and to stir the blood of our population. Something to defragment us.
I don't know what it would be, but I see the seeds being sown in the backlash to the current regime's crazy policies.
I'd like to hear from you guys that are really lots smarter than me, on this.
Did I make any sense at all ???
Doug
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Is it four horses or four dudes, man I can't remember now[:D]
[How about the Four Kennedy's of the Apocalypse, I mean the four-horsemen...]
How 'bout four Phelps bodies with Speedos and four different Kennedy heads on 'um?
comon Doug- you know thar aint none a us here as smart as you is[:D]
I isnt sart.
Kristov, beantownshootah, Earl, highball, shootertutor, Saxon Pig, Dave_W, and on and on - Jeez, mosta youse guyz is sarter nor me.
I'd sure like some opinions on this thread, though.
Might maken me evn sarter.
Doug
After all, it's just a piece of cloth, just as a firearm is a hunk of metal. It's the emotion one chooses to place on the symbol. And what the masses will regard after the MSM touts it, ever snowballing.....
Best, Joe
What I'm grasping at, is something central to re-unite the American People around.
Some method to un-Balkanize us.
There has gotta be a way.
Maybe a MAJOR outside threat ??
Doug
We have been warned ! It is the last step before a Muslim strike. If this one does not do it nothing will. We are a failed country as of now.
( LINK )
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511740,00.html
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan - The commander of the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility Tuesday for a deadly assault on a Pakistani police academy and said the group was planning a terrorist attack on the U.S. capital.
Baitullah Mehsud, who has a $5 million bounty on his head from the U.S., said Monday's attack outside the eastern city of Lahore was in retaliation for U.S. missile strikes against militants along the Afghan border.
"Soon we will launch an attack in Washington that will amaze everyone in the world," Mehsud told The Associated Press by phone. He provided no details.
Mehsud and other Pakistani Taliban militants are believed to be based in the country's lawless areas near the border with Afghanistan, where they have stepped up their attacks throughout Pakistan.
The Taliban leader also claimed responsibility for a suicide car bombing that killed four soldiers Monday in Bannu district and a suicide attack targeting a police station in Islamabad last week that killed one officer.
View photos from the attack on Pakistan police academy
Such attacks pose a major test for the weak, year-old civilian administration of Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari that has been gripped with political turmoil in recent weeks.
The gunmen who attacked the police academy in Lahore on Monday killed seven police and two civilians, holding security forces at bay for about eight hours before being overpowered by Pakistani commandos. Some of the attackers wore police uniforms, and they took hostages and tossed grenades during the assault.
Earlier Tuesday, a spokesman from a little-known militant group linked to the Pakistani Taliban also claimed credit for the attack and a similar ambush-style attack against the Sri Lankan cricket team earlier this month in Lahore. It was not immediately possible to reconcile the two claims.
Omar Farooq, who said he is the spokesman for Fedayeen al-Islam, said the group would carry out more attacks unless Pakistani troops withdraw from tribal areas near the Afghan border and the U.S. stops its drone strikes. The group previously said it was behind the deadly September bombing of the Marriott hotel in Islamabad that killed 54 people.
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Mehsud declined to comment on Fedayeen al-Islam's claim that it carried out the attack or to say whether the group is linked to his own.
"At this time, I will not give any detail," Mehsud said.
The Pakistani Taliban leader also said he was not deterred by the U.S. bounty on his head.
"I wish to die and embrace martyrdom," he said.
The AP has spoken to Mehsud several times in the past and recognized his voice, and a request for an interview with Mehsud was submitted through his aide. The militant leader also granted phone interviews to other media organizations.
The Pakistani Taliban has links with Al Qaeda and Afghan Taliban militants who have launched attacks against U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan from a base in the border region between the two countries.
Pakistan faces tremendous U.S. pressure to eradicate militants from its soil and has launched several military operations in the Afghan border region.
The U.S. has stepped up drone attacks against militants in the area, causing tension with Pakistani officials who protest they are a violation of the country's sovereignty and kill innocent civilians.
Monday's highly coordinated attack highlighted that militants in the country pose a threat far outside the border region. It prompted Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik, Pakistan's top civilian security official, to say that militant groups were "destabilizing the country."
The gunmen killed six police during the assault, and one died late Monday from his injuries, said Lahore's commissioner, Major Azam Khan. He said Tuesday that the initial investigation revealed that two civilians were also shot and killed, but he did not reveal their identities.
More than 90 officers were wounded in the assault, according to officials.
After gunmen stormed the academy, masses of security forces surrounded the compound, exchanging fire in televised scenes reminiscent of the militant siege in the Indian city of Mumbai in November and the attack on Sri Lanka's cricket team.
Khan said three of the attackers blew themselves up when commandos retook the police academy to avoid arrest. Authorities arrested four others at the scene.
Wasim Ahmad Sial, a senior Lahore police official, said authorities have obtained fingerprints of the attackers who blew themselves up and have determined one of their identities. He did not provide further details.
Punjab police chief, Khawaja Khalid Farooq, told reporters Tuesday that a suspected militant who was captured at the scene of the attack had provided "genuine and actual leads that are beneficial for interrogation."
He said about 50 other people in Lahore were detained overnight for questioning.
Perhaps Obama will unwittingly help us by allowing North Korea and Iran to get nukes. Problem is, they would have to not only be a real threat to us but actually hurt us. A premptive strike on them would not bring any good public reaction. They would have to hurt us and then most people would back an all out war with them.
Problem is, we are so strong militarily that we could decimate them in a week without ever landing any troops. It would be over before it starts.
Hey maybe we should invade and take over Canada! With global warming the real estate up there can only go up in value.
Doug
If you can't figure it out we are all doomed...[:D]
Trinity +++
As a nation, we don't have "angry" symbols. We don't use death's heads over crossed bones.
Our nation was not based on fear, but on inclusion.
Our strength was not based on the might of the military, but the might of the man.
We have plenty of symbols, but they are basically positive. We are not based on the "Crazy". Unless you are part of the GOP....
http://pakistanherald.com/Profile/Shah-Mahmood-Qureshi-160
For those guys to have to reach back nearly 80 years to find something to show their intense motivation, points out to me that we don't have anything contemporary to do this for them.
My point is, I think, that America today, needs something similar to unite and motivate us, and to stir the blood of our population. Something to defragment us.
sounds like you're saying we need a good dose of nationalism.
but then...
I don't know what it would be, but I see the seeds being sown in the backlash to the current regime's crazy policies.
nationalism is right wing, "backlash to a current regime" is leftist. the two are opposing ideals. to want both at the same time is frustration.
if there were a good deal of nationalism in the first place, I don't think we would have got into this predicament, caused by that particular person.
what we need, and I think the explanation to your observations, is culture. America has no culture. we have little foundation for values, little cause for true nationalism or even the background for it. we aren't a homogenous culture, we even made it so ourselves: we're "the great melting pot".
since we don't have a monarchial, aristocratic or oligarchic government, such as what the europeans came from or the communists have, members in our capitalist, democratic society don't have a sense of "place", however highly or lowly, as the aforementioned do. our concept of whatever source of societal importance is completely decentralized. the average person is just "a person", a consumer, an employee.
one thing I've noticed about the people from communist or ex-communist countries I've met, is that even though where they came from (which molded them) they didn't have much opportunity for economic mobility, they were for the most part happy with their lot in life irregardless of where it was. they had a sense of "place", that's how things were and that's the person they are. it was fine with them. that explains the "docility" that us americans don't understand, why they don't get rid of their "oppressive" governments and be "free" like us. I suppose they think they're free enough and they're happy to live their life as it is, they don't ask for more.
so what does that have to do with us? we have socioeconomic mobility, therefore no sense of "place", therefore another reason we aren't a true "nation". whatever we call society simply isn't put together the right way for that.
it will only get worse with the capitalist environment we've created sucking the lifeblood out of us. our values toward ourselves and each other, our loyalty to family and relatives, our sense of individuality and whatever heritage we have are all degraded through the fickleness of consumerism and the fatladying we put ourselves through to make a buck. it rubs off on us. don't think so? where did all the flaky little video-game-playing brats and metrosexuals come from? not everybody is like that, but those are indicators of what kind of influences the rest of us have.
what's caused the difference between us in the 50's and us right now? only time, it was the logical conclusion of what we created coming to fruition. and there's more, it's not done yet. over another 100 years, we'll all turn each other into worthless disposable peons like the chinese.
there could be nothing better for that elite unit you speak of, than to create their own validity and revel in what they've earned. such as what the Marines have accomplished. instead, they think they can get one for free from somewhere.
On the contrary, when you melt things, you get a homogenous mixture.
We're more like a poorly prepared tossed salad, with various clumps that weren't even properly diced.
I like that I, a white american, like many others, may consider it perfectly normal to have indian food, chinese food, mexican food, italian food, a nice steak, etc, depending on what strikes my fancy.
Likewise one might see an asian in a steakhouse, or an italian restaurant.
If asians only ate at asian restaurants, indians only at indian restaurants, hispanics only a mexican restaurants, then we have a problem.
When I see portions of town turned into "little Mexico", I see a problem.
Its not that I mind having a taqueria near by, its that I mind that locally, there are *only* taquerias,
There doesn't seem to be any "melting" going on in the "pot".
I'm note sure I'm a fan of "china towns" either, but at least around where I'm from, that is pretty much restricted to San Fransisco, and the whole bay area has a lot of asians, that have properly assimilated into the local culture.
I see nothing wrong with immigrants bringing some of their culture here, and mixing it in with the culture already here.
Its when they completely reject and push aside the current culture, and just expand their "culture" in a completely undiluted form, that I take issue.
A couple of the major issues that has separated our people is the loss of prayer at our public gatherings and the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag being utilized. Both of these help give people a moment of unity and reminds us we have something in common despite the other differences that may exist. Not because everyone agrees with the prayer, but because everyone has a moments of respect for those around them.
The foundations of stability in our society or church and family. Both have been eroded by an constant push from the liberal progressive powers with the use of the media and the public education system. I say this despite the facts I can't stay married and haven't been a member of a church for almost 30 years.
Separation of church and state are vital for our political system to work as intended. How that has been construed to remove religion from public gathering is a joke on the foundations of our society. I do not see how banning prayer promotes the separation of church and state. Church in the context of this principle is the political power and control of a church organization and has nothing to do with religion. Many religious symbols and writings are used by multiple religions and in no way are symbols of a specific church.
Separation of church and state was never intended to remove religion, they are two separate issues. Some can not, or will not attempt to, understand the separation
There are those that will rail against my statements. While they rail the loudest they are in a great minority. If you are a praying person, pray for them should society ever have their fill of such foolishness.
Our national unity is fractured because our societal unity has been eroded through the progressive destabilization of church and family. For those that have no family or church still benefit from the society based on these principles and customs. A stable society benefits everyone, religious, non-religious, married, un-married, parented, orphaned, rich and poor.
There are many steps outlined for stripping Americans of their liberties. Disarming of weapons is only one. Disarming of family and church values and unity is vital to the destruction of our liberty. It doesn't matter what one's personal beliefs are, when they participate in the destruction of family, church, and work to remove religion from our society, they are destroying their own and others liberties. However through decades of indoctrination we now have many people, spanning generations, doing just that. Many are members of this forum.
I could go one but this is a forum post, not a book.
Scout
offensive political correctness along with the watering down of our culture will make a regrouping to the basic ideals of America very difficult..as these moves make an informed & responsive electorate hard to maintain and allows a minority of voters to gain control....just watch as the muslim & mexican minority populations gain in control in the USA by following this course
I think they already have to a great extent....all under the cloak of PC and needs of the vocal few and diversity. [xx(][V]
Crossed firearms with American flag background will do it.
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This is something I noted , with akin to wonder, when I used to travel to Europe. In addition, people seemed to be respected for their jobs, regardless of what they were. I think, leading to a certain docility, and lack of drive for a higher position in life, as most Americans do.
Perhaps the symbol and the leader need to occur all at once, as it has for other cultures, historically.
Perhaps a person with the oratory skills of President Reagan, and a simultaneous symbol like the Gadsden flag, or the Bonnie Blue, with attendant supporting symbols and slogans ??
I kinda like the idea of crossed rifles surmounted by Old Glory.
But we definitely need SOMETHING to rally around to save our Country.
There are enough brains here to be able to figure it out.
But hell, we can't even agree on very basic principals on this Forum.
Maybe we are all lost, after all.
Doug
I put 10G's on account at ah's bank and all that I could find was a beer bottle to crawl into... aside from another Pontiac, and an apartment to crash in where's the "green" stamps!!!
So, i'm a drunk when you get right down to it, do you necessarily have to get out and push
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