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SBI oops!
bigdaddyjunior
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Read in the Fayetteville paper that two men were prowling around a young woman's house, then banged on the door a few times hollering to be let in. She got scared and called her boyfriend and her mother. The two men left. The boyfriend got there with his pistol and cleared the area then went into the house. Moments later the two men returned out front. The boyfriend with the pistol at his side opened the door and was shot once in the chest. After entering the house and ordering the girl to the floor they began questioning her by asking if she was the law enforcement officer on the scene. She then noticed a badge hanging around the guy's neck. She found out later that they were State Bureau Of Investigation officers. Her and her boyfriend who were soon to be married didn't even have a parking ticket between the two of them. They searched the house and grounds and when the guy turned blue they called for an ambulance. The guy was shot through a lung and is in the hospital. The officers refused comment and an investigation is being conducted.
Sounds like the wrong address and a failure to identify. In NC it is not illegal to walk around on private property with a gun. You can carry one down the street as long as you don't point it at someone. I think maybe they were going to a drug bust where they had an undercover officer working which is why they asked her if she was "the" cop. Looks like the two kids will have a very nice wedding compliments of the NC taxpayers for these two's error.
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
Sounds like the wrong address and a failure to identify. In NC it is not illegal to walk around on private property with a gun. You can carry one down the street as long as you don't point it at someone. I think maybe they were going to a drug bust where they had an undercover officer working which is why they asked her if she was "the" cop. Looks like the two kids will have a very nice wedding compliments of the NC taxpayers for these two's error.
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
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I realize that NO ONE is perfect! I made mistakes during my police career, but they never cost anyone their life, health, or freedom.
I pray for a speedy and complete recovery for the victim, serious pentalties for the LEO's involved, (if they were in fact wrong, I do not have any first hand information) and a large award to drive home the need for LEO to be CERTAIN of their actions.
Charlie
"It's the stuff dreams are made of Angel"NRA Certified Firearms InstructorMember: GOA, RKBA, NJSPBA, NJ area rep for the 2ndAMPD. njretcop@copmail.com
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
Now days, every dept. has a special unit, the state has units for their units and then toss in all the federal types. But keeping the eye turned to to local departments, the training of these folks leaves a lot to be desired and in some cases I also question the screening process, not just when they applied for the TAC, but when they were applying to the department. In a lot of these young fellas I sense a cross between Rambo and Ninja Warrior and it worries me.
In this latest example, from what is said, there was a failure to identify ... the team quit the scene, the boyfriend came and he answered the door armed and was summarily shot ... not good, not good at all.
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
It's a shame that some people will believe every word they hear or read in some local paper and then broadcast it out as the gospel truth.
What do you actually know about this incident, other than what the Fayetteville reporter wanted you to believe[?][?][?][?][?][?]
"Have a gun that works every time. All skill is in vein when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of your musket."
SBI Agent Involved In Robeson County Shooting
POSTED: 2:39 p.m. EST February 10, 2004
UPDATED: 11:57 p.m. EST February 10, 2004
MAXTON, N.C. -- An agent with the State Bureau of Investigation was involved in a shooting in Robeson County on Tuesday.
The SBI confirmed that agent Donovan Mitchell Deaver, of the Southeastern District, shot a suspect during an altercation Tuesday morning. Deaver was placed on administrative leave pending an invesigation.
The incident occurred at 1899 Red Hill Road, where the victim's girlfriend lives, near Maxton.
The victim was identified as Sammy Bailey, Jr.
Deaver reportedly was investigating Bailey in another case when the altercation broke out.
Bailey was transported to Scotland Memorial Hospital in Laurinburg with two gunshot wounds in the upper torso. He was admitted to the intensive care unit in critical condition and later underwent surgery.
The SBI's Professional Standards Unit is investigating. Agents from other SBI districts have been brought in to conduct the investigation.
According to the father of Bailey's girlfriend, the SBI agents came to the residence looking for Bailey, who was not there at the time, and did not identify themselves as SBI agents. He said his daughter did not answer the door and called Bailey on the phone after becoming frightened.
The SBI agents reportedly left and then returned after Bailey came over to the home. This time, Bailey answered the door after the agents knocked, and then the altercation began.
According to the state Department of Justice, Bailey displayed a firearm at Deaver and an agent from the Internal Revenue Service who were conducting the investigation.
"Have a gun that works every time. All skill is in vein when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of your musket."
the only thing I know for sure is that I don't know enough about the incident to go posting my limited opinion against some officer or agency.
"Have a gun that works every time. All skill is in vein when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of your musket."
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Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
Not stated is the time of day that the SI occurred. If it was night time, especially late ... why in the world would an IRS investigation prompt a nightime visit.
Not stated is if the boyfriend lived there or not. If he did not why would the IRS be looking for him there, regardless of the time of day.
If it is/was an IRS matter, why the SBI type.
Was there a failure to identify?
The investigation should answer the above questions and many more that aren't raised here.
And, regardless of the circumstances, if a "suspect" is shot the first answer is that the "suspect" was resisting, etc., etc.
In my years of living it appears to me that the only things the majority of the media likes to get their "journalistic teeth" into more than an "officer involved" shooting are any other gun related things that can further their "anti-gun" leanings.
All of this still does not "moot" the point about the level of training and the Rambo/Ninja Warrior attitudes.
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!
She should have called the cops too. I wonder if she did if the cops would have shot the armed plainclothes officers who had guns drawn.
The whole thing stinks like last week's fish.
3 gunner, I never said it was a drug bust. I said it sounded like one that had gone bad by way of the wrong address. And just what does "displaying a gun at someone" mean? He didn't say he was threatening him with it or pointing it at him. It sounds like the guy had the gun at his side as the girl said and the officer shot too quick. None of it would have happened if they'd have brought a uniform with them. Lucky for the SBI agent that did the shooting the SBI is conducting the investigation. Gee, I wonder what they'll find?
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
From that point, more solutions would become apparent.
God Bless America and...
NEVER Forget WACO
NEVER, EVER Forget 911