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WATCHING RED DAWN

EVILDR235EVILDR235 Member Posts: 4,398 ✭✭
edited November 2009 in General Discussion
I enjoy watching a movie with Americans kicking *.Go Wolverines,
EvilDr235

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  • EVILDR235EVILDR235 Member Posts: 4,398 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Charlie Sheen always has had a way with the ladies...[:D]
  • SUBMARINERSUBMARINER Member Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    one of my fav's also

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  • Ruger22Ruger22 Member Posts: 385
    edited November -1
    Awesome movie, even though modified French Puma helicopters were used to simulate Russian Hinds, just like in Top Gun, F5's were used to simulate MIG-21s, oh well, its the message that counts, but sometimes us purists get a little pissed with the inaccuracies. Both were awesome movies.

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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Translations:

    The chair is against the wall
    (Lea Thompson has great hair)

    John has a long moustache
    (Patrick Swayze reads Boy's Life magazine)
  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I always thought that RED DAWN was on of the most far fetched movies even by Hollywood's standards. The entire United States over run by Cubans and Russian paratroopers??? And then some snot nosed teenagers save us? Oh yeah that's believable. It might have bee far more believable if a bunch of 60-80 year old Korean and WWII vets went out and blasted the crap out of the Cubans. I mean realistically the logistics train required for a military force to even think about taking the US would require more ships that the entire world has available. Anyway if you want a good fantasy movie have a bunch of old geezers kicking the crap out of the bad guys. Let the teenagers keep playing their video games. Beach
  • BoomerangBoomerang Member Posts: 4,513
    edited November -1
    DWS - [:D][:D]

    Beach - Agree. BTW, I met Patrick Swayze while hiking Grand Canyon one year. I will be nice and just say that he is full of "himself"!

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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,708 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That is a great movie, I have always enjoyed it.

    Some gunbroker forum members don't realize this film is fiction, and not a documentary.
  • zr700zr700 Member Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've always liked it to, ever since I was a sprout.

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  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    Go Badgers!!




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  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290
    edited November -1
    I'm in this one too! When they shot it in & around Las Vegas, they asked students at the World College if they wanted to be extras; I was visiting my girlfriend at the time, and signed up!
    In the scene where the Russian Colonel and the Cuban Major start to walk away from Rivas' Drugstore just beore it explodes, I am walking away from the camera on the right side of the screen.
    I'm also in the scene where (I forget his name) is yelling at the boys to "Avenge me boys!"; I'm over his right shoulder, walking in a figure 8.
    Got almost $1500 for 3 days' work.

    And yes, the chair is against the wall!!!!! (even now!)

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  • ItGoBangItGoBang Member Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![^]

    It will hurt you, More than it will hurt me..

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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I apologise...I should have been more specific. It is a teenaged wet dream fantasy...not fiction. Way too farfetched for fiction ranks right up there with "Lord of the Rings" as a fantasy movie! As fiction it is a poor excuse for any semblance to combat operations. Beach


    P.S. Just feeling kinda ornery this am...maybe not enough bran today. Beach
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    beach: I rather thought you would like it; the seven (if you include Powers Booth's character) Wolverines have obvious similarity to the Seven Samurai.
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Member Posts: 5,378 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    All I know is I've been a Leah Thompson fan ever since.

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  • dongizmodongizmo Member Posts: 14,477 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a scene where the russian tells a subordinate to go confiscate the form 4473 to find out who owns firearms..........
    Don

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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would watch it again.
    I can separate reality from fantasy, and still enjoy.


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  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    Of course it is fiction. But that does not make it a bad movie. 99.9% of the movies made by hollywood are fiction. That being said I liked it every time I have seen it. My 2 cents [8D]

    Greg
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    USMC
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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    DWS...I rather thought they were like the characters from the Magnificent Seven...they certainly seemed to shoot the same way.
    Leah Thompson certainly lended much to the fantasy aspects of the movie and thus gave the movie some minimal sexual credence. It certainly is worth watching for sexual fantasies involving Leah. My major knock on the movie is its complete lack of any credulity... nothing else. It's an excellent teenage "wetdream" film.
    For those who liken this movie to the greatest films of all time I congratulate you on your choice....do you think Stone Cold Steve Austin will ever regain his belt? Beach
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hauntingly beautiful for its Kurosawan imagery and intricate subplot digressions, Red Dawn is Milius' psychic journey into the vicissitudes of lost innocence, juxtaposed against an updated David and Goliath theme. The snow symbolizes death, of course, and does so on several levels; from Aardvark's reluctance to eat Campbell's soup to Colonel Bella's lament for having been reduced to a poliziaman, one is continuously assaulted by Milius' iterations of passing and rebirth on many levels. The scene where the Jennifer Grey character is gut shot while eating Rice Krispies out of the box is one on the most powerful homeland defense messages ever delivered on the silver screen.
  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    Danceswithsheep:

    I think you have found your calling as a critic of film. Maybe it is time for you to quit your day job. I know i would watch your show. [8D]

    Greg
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    USMC
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  • .280 freak.280 freak Member Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Any disagreements about whether the movie was fiction or fantasy, serious attempt at making an adventure film or simply a teenager's "wet dream" notwithstanding, one thing occurs to me -

    I would think that as fellow gun enthusiasts and freedom loving Americans, we should all appreciate the film for its powerful pro-2nd Amendment message, regardless of how we feel about how unrealistic the exact scenario might have been.
  • Smokeeater 38Smokeeater 38 Member Posts: 2,735
    edited November -1
    It may not be a documentary but I like it. [8D]






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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by .280 freak

    I would think that as fellow gun enthusiasts and freedom loving Americans, we should all appreciate the film for its powerful pro-2nd Amendment message, regardless of how we feel about how unrealistic the exact scenario might have been.

    I think a pro-2nd amendment message presented in an absurd context does nothing for the cause. At best this was a rank remake of China's Little Devils starring Ducky Louie.

    Three Thumbs Down
  • .280 freak.280 freak Member Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Different strokes fer different folks. Hell, I know people that can't stand "Blazing Saddles" or "Airplane", either, and I'll watch those any time they're on, too.

    I liked it the first time I saw it, still like it every time it comes back on the tube; guess we can't all be intellectual giants.
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by .280 freak

    Different strokes fer different folks.

    ...guess we can't all be intellectual giants.

    I certainly agree with your first statement. The second is gratuitous and snide.
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by .280 freak
    guess we can't all be intellectual giants.


    Don't give 'em any false encouragement... They're liable to miss the fact that you're kidding.... [;)]

    I enjoy RED DAWN even though I wish it were a stronger movie. The image of enemy parachutists landing in the American public school's front yard and shooting a teacher was probably intended to have the same visual impact of the scene in TORA TORA TORA where the officers watch in disbelief as Jap planes fly over Pearl.

    I don't think RED DAWN is as "fully formed" a movie as it could be, but Milius only started directing with CONAN THE BARBARIAN. I appreciate his effort on RED DAWN and maybe someday a remake will be able to do more with this story idea. There's nothing wrong with using a small troop of enemy landing in a one-street town in the middle of nowhere for a microcosm of a larger American invasion -- we do hear about the rest of the invasion on the radio -- but obviously the movie did not have a hundred million to spend to give us the INDEPENDENCE DAY special effects version.

    Still, Milius did a lot with a little. The ideas he looked at (like the young and strong having to take the lead out in the elements, the execution of a collaborator) are probably what makes the movie so interesting despite its lack of grand scope. We beat the Redcoats from the hedge rows too, after all. I don't think they needed the Wolverine theme or the idea of "news of their little band getting around" in order to make any of their points. The goodbye scene at the detention camp was sufficient -- but even in the "Avenge me!" scene, Milius doesn't quite squeeze the most out of what should be an extremely powerful moment.

    But I'll take what Milius has to give, since the film wanders into some unique territory, and the fact that it managed to get made at all in liberal Hollywood is something.

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  • ruger 10 22ruger 10 22 Member Posts: 286 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i own that movie and i like it a lot
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by offeror

    I enjoy RED DAWN even though I wish it were a stronger movie. The image of enemy parachutists landing in the American public school's front yard and shooting a teacher was probably intended to have the same visual impact of the scene in TORA TORA TORA where the officers watch in disbelief as Jap planes fly over Pearl.

    I don't think RED DAWN is as "fully formed" a movie as it could be, but Milius only started directing with CONAN THE BARBARIAN. I appreciate his effort on RED DAWN and maybe someday a remake will be able to do more with this story idea. There's nothing wrong with using a small troop of enemy landing in a one-street town in the middle of nowhere for a microcosm of a larger American invasion -- we do hear about the rest of the invasion on the radio -- but obviously the movie did not have a hundred million to spend to give us the INDEPENDENCE DAY special effects version.

    Still, Milius did a lot with a little. The ideas he looked at (like the young and strong having to take the lead out in the elements, the execution of a collaborator) are probably what makes the movie so interesting despite its lack of grand scope. We beat the Redcoats from the hedge rows too, after all. I don't think they needed the Wolverine theme or the idea of "news of their little band getting around" in order to make any of their points. The goodbye scene at the detention camp was sufficient -- but even in the "Avenge me!" scene, Milius doesn't quite squeeze the most out of what should be an extremely powerful moment.

    But I'll take what Milius has to give, since the film wanders into some unique territory, and the fact that it managed to get made at all in liberal Hollywood is something.

    Isn't there a morning after contraceptive called Red Dawn?
  • .280 freak.280 freak Member Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gratuitous and snide. Gratuitous and snide?

    How to answer, hmmmmmmmmm ...........



    Okay, I've got it - pick the answer that you think fits best:

    1) Gratuitous and snide? Only if you thought that it was directed specifically towards you.

    2) Gratuitous and snide? Damn, I was trying for superfluous and insulting.





    Yeah, I know, I know, pretty lame; I'm still working on the first cup of coffee. (To be truthful, though, my favorite answer is #2) [:o)]
  • offerorofferor Member Posts: 8,625 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    DWS -- No, but there's an operation called a DWS & C that is almost as overrated as some folks' own notions of their ability to appear either clever or subtle.

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  • HighballHighball Member Posts: 15,755
    edited November -1
    There are always those quick to denigate any notion that a small group of 'gasp'...UNTRAINED...dedicated warriors could have any effect upon larger,well trained forces....
    They live in a world where 1776 never happened.
    Afganistan,20 years ago also didn't happen to the Russians.

    As per the Romans..they also live in a world where we are invulnerable..and will remain that way forever.

    I don't find it amazing that the older folks wouldn't fight in the flick..they won't even raise a fuss in peacetime,as our masters steadily disarm us.
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,708 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good movie review, offeror.
  • bambihunterbambihunter Member Posts: 10,792 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Even Hollywood's true movies aren't...

    It's entertaining, and in the end I guess that's what counts. I just finished (I mean JUST finished) Windtalkers and although it is based in truth, I found it incredibly boring. So much so, I actually fell asleep and had to back up and catch up on what I missed. I never would have guessed I could fall asleep with my surround sound cranked, bullets whizzing by me but I guess I could. [B)]


    Roger22, I thought the Topgun movie specifically mentioned that the F5's were SIMULATING the Russian planes, not saying that they were Russian planes. BTW, I saw a F5 two seat trainer come into the airport here in Oklahoma City a while back. I didn't know they made 'em. After I saw it I came home and researched it and sure enough...
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  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bambihunter

    I thought the Topgun movie specifically mentioned that the F5's were SIMULATING the Russian planes, not saying that they were Russian planes. BTW, I saw a F5 two seat trainer come into the airport here in Oklahoma City a while back. I didn't know they made 'em. After I saw it I came home and researched it and sure enough...

    I believe A4's were used to simulate Russian planes in the "training" scenes; F5's were used to simulate Russian MIGs in the "combat" scenes. I also believe the first F5 configuration was a two-seater (T-38).
  • bambihunterbambihunter Member Posts: 10,792 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can't remember, did the movie actually portray the F5's AS the Russians, or was it during the dogfight training? I can't remember. I'll have to watch it again. It'd be a really great movie if not for all the romance junk! [}:)]
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  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    I posted a pic here a while back of a buddy of mine sittin' staddle of the nose on an F-5. I crew-chiefed on them for the Viets in '73,
    we kept them loaded with four 50-pounders and 20mm.

    The pilots of course were all trained over here and spoke fair english. VNAF pilots were "hot shots" every one!
  • watrulookinatwatrulookinat Member Posts: 4,693
    edited November -1
    I hope to rent it this weekend I'm in the mood to watch it again.
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    One of my all time favorites and may the late MR. Swayze rest in piece.


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  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 35,708 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Mateomasfeo visits the GB forum museum.
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have it sitting here, will watch it one evening when Nothing is on I want to watch. Its the next one up.
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