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Lynard Skynard Question's?

NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
I need your help to settle an argument between me and my wife about Skynard (and she dont even listen to them,how would she know[:(!]). If you can answer these questions I would really appreciate it? I know its not gun related but can you guys tell me the yr of the plane crash? How many of the group was killed, and what instrument did the ones killed play.

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  • iwannausernameiwannausername Member Posts: 7,131
    edited November -1
    On Thursday, October 20, 1977, just three days after the release of Street Survivors, and five shows into their most successful headlining tour to date, Lynyrd Skynyrd's chartered Convair 240 ran out of fuel near the end of their flight from Greenville, South Carolina, where they had just performed at the now demolished Greenville Memorial Auditorium, to LSU in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Though the pilots attempted an emergency landing on a small airstrip, the plane crashed in a forest in Gillsburg, Mississippi. Ronnie Van Zant, Steve Gaines, Cassie Gaines, assistant road manager Dean Kilpatrick, pilot Walter McCreary and co-pilot William Gray were all killed on impact.
  • ATHOMSONATHOMSON Member Posts: 3,399 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Steven Gaines = guitar/vocals
    Cassie Gaines = back-up vocals
    Ronnie Van Zandt = singer/songwriter

    AT
  • RogueStatesmanRogueStatesman Member Posts: 5,760
    edited November -1
    That was a tragic day in Rock & Roll history.
    [:(]
  • NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:RogueStatesman Posted - 05/22/2009 : 12:13:20 PM

    That was a tragic day in Rock & Roll history.


    Thats an understatement, why did they not have enough fuel to assure they could make it to their destination? I was only 6yrs old at the time, but I grew up on their music. Thanks everyone for the info!
  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Re: fuel- MOST larger aircraft do not fly with tippy top fuel tanks except when they need to- that can be a LOT of weight to lift and carry. Some of the common reasons for the "Oh CRAP- we're empty!" syndrome are bad weather (unexpected headwinds) delays in flight (weather at destination is slowing pace of landing) and ground holds (sitting on ground, engines running) due to traffic problems, etc. Flight crew does not want to tell high profile passengers that there will be a 2 hr delay, we have to get out of line for takeoff, go back and get gas. Human nature. Ever run out of gas in your car because you THOUGHT you had enuff to make it to the station?

    A good read for you is a book called Free Fall- a review of the errors that resulted in an Air Canada jetliner (think a Boeing 757) being run bone dry and flaming out at 41,000 ft. Error by crew in converting lbs/gallons to kilograms/ liters, non-functioning fuel gauge, and mistaking fuel temperature gauge for backup fuel gauge. They DID manage to land aircraft dead stick at a closed RCAF air base, some damage to plane, but it flew again.

    Aircraft may also have more than one tank, and if transfer pump does not work, you cannot use the fuel in THAT tank.
  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Also, this for you- C&P:

    The Convair 240 itself had been inspected by members of Aerosmith's flight crew for possible use in the early summer of 1977, but was rejected because it was felt that neither the plane nor the crew were up to standards. Aerosmith's assistant chief of flight operations Zunk Buker tells of seeing pilots McCreary and Gray trading a bottle of Jack Daniel's back and forth while he and his father were inspecting the plane. Aerosmith's touring family was also relieved because the band, specifically Steven Tyler and Joe Perry, had been trying to pressure their management into renting that specific plane.[13]

    "The National Transportation Safety Board determined that the probable cause of this accident was fuel exhaustion and total loss of power from both engines due to crew inattention to fuel supply. Contributing to the fuel exhaustion were inadequate flight planning and an engine malfunction of undetermined nature in the right engine which resulted in higher-than-normal fuel consumption."
    -NTSB Accident Report[14]
    It was known that the right engine's magneto - a small power generator that provides spark and timing for the engine - had been malfunctioning (Powell, among others, spoke of seeing flames shooting out of the right engine on a trip just prior to the accident), and that pilots McCreary and Gray had intended to repair the damaged part when the traveling party arrived in Baton Rouge. Cassie Gaines was reportedly so fearful of flying in the Convair that she offered to ride in the band's equipment truck instead; Ronnie Van Zant had talked her onto the airplane on October 20.[12] It is possible that the damaged magneto fooled the pilots into creating an exceptionally rich fuel mixture, causing the Convair to run out of fuel. It was suggested on the VH-1 Behind The Music profile on Skynyrd that the pilots, panicking when the right engine failed, accidentally dumped the remaining fuel. Pyle maintains in the Howard Stern interview that the fuel gauge in the older model plane malfunctioned and the pilots had failed to manually check the tanks before taking off, although it is common practice in all but the largest transport-category aircraft to manually check fuel quantities to verify fuel gauge indications. In his book Lynyrd Skynyrd: Remembering the Free Birds of Southern Rock, Gene Odom makes an unsubstantiated accusation that co-pilot William Gray was impaired because he had spent part of the previous night snorting cocaine; the toxicology reports from both pilots' autopsies had found them to be clean for drugs and alcohol.
  • FatstratFatstrat Member Posts: 9,147
    edited November -1
    It is my understanding that the plane was having minor engine trouble before take-off. But the decision to go was made after pilot assured everyone there was no danger. Several members were still afriad to board.
    Reportedly Ronnie Van Zant had the final say and said "Let's go, if we die, we die". Or something to that effect.
    Later in flight, engine trouble got worse. And to compound things, pilot inadvertanly dumped the fuel while making cockpit engine adjustments.
  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sad day in deed.

    Ronnie stated many times that he would not live to see 30.
    He did not miss it by much.
  • RamtinxxlRamtinxxl Member Posts: 9,480
    edited November -1
    Lynyrd Skynyrd, dammit![:p][;)][:I]
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