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Da-Tank
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the FMJ .224 bullet has a muzzle vol. of 2900 ft. per sec. and a 18.67 ft.lb. per gr. = 55 gr times 18.65 or 1025.75 ft lb muzzle vol.
Now at 500 yards this has droped to less then 391 ft lbs.
I know the gov. and you want us to believe this will penatrate a steel pot at this range. IT will NOT. Also the vol. has droped below 750 feet per sec. any puff of wind or rise and fall in the land scape will effect your ability to even scare the target.
Now at 500 yards this has droped to less then 391 ft lbs.
I know the gov. and you want us to believe this will penatrate a steel pot at this range. IT will NOT. Also the vol. has droped below 750 feet per sec. any puff of wind or rise and fall in the land scape will effect your ability to even scare the target.
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I know the gov. and you want us to believe this will penatrate a steel pot at this range.
No, but it will penetrate a ghutra. Besides, nobody wears a steel pot any more and there's only like three guys in the whole Army who can hit anything at 500 yards anyway.
The United States Marine Corp shoots at 500 yards. My 2 cents [8D]
Yeah well.. but the marine core uses so many shots that the enemy actually just stumbles on the projectiles and breaks their necks...
Besides, nobody wears a steel pot any more and there's only like three guys in the whole Army who can hit anything at 500 yards anyway.
Joxer the Mighty
Roams through the countryside
He doesn't have a place to hide...
Actually on a 180gr .308 it has the same energy at 400 yd. the .223 does at the muzzle.
Actually, this is completely irrelvant.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Actually on a 180gr .308 it has the same energy at 400 yd. the .223 does at the muzzle.
Actually, this is completely irrelvant.
Actually I don't care what you think.
3,031 fps muzzle velocity and effective range of 880 yards.
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ammunition/mk262_080105/index2.html
Red, I looked at the 6.8 mm our government is considering.
Look again. "Our government" ain't considering anything.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Red, I looked at the 6.8 mm our government is considering.
Look again. "Our government" ain't considering anything.
Probably too busy stealing our liberties...
Probably too busy stealing our liberties...
At least it found a niche. It sure ain't intelligence, security or immigration reform.
The United States Marine Corp shoots at 500 yards. My 2 cents [8D]
If they do it in a combat situation they are just pissin' in the wind! Might be good practice at the range but they are just wasting ammo in the real world unless it's a "PERFECT SHOT" scenario.
My mistake was in in figuring the coefficienty. It it .189
With a sectional density of .157
5.56 is a good round. I like to shot it and i am sure that everyone can agree it is a good round to shoot all day. 391ft lbs at 500 yds huh It only takes somthing like 23 ft lbs to puncture human skin but there are a lot of prarie dogs that would like to see the 5.56 again.
The 5.56 muzzle vol. is eratic 3100-3300 do to the fact that all ammo is not loaded at the same armory. If people want to compare mil. weapons then use mil. ammo. Also mil. weight bullets.
I'm still waiting for an effectiveness comparison for the 5.56 at ranges less than 200 yards. Comparing it to cartridges better suited to 500 yards makes no more sense than to compare the 45 ACP to a .308 at 500 yards. Each cartridge is a compromise and the choice depends on what qualities are most important for the expected circumstances.
Ray, your clear thinking and relevance saddens me greatly. What are you doing on this board?
The truth be told though, they all said at the first chance they "slung" the M-16 and picked up the AK-47's from the dead enemy and used them.
Muzzle for the .308 cal. 168 gr. FMJ is 3000 Zeroed at 100 yards
it has a 2489.95 ft.lb. at 200 yards, also at 200 yds it has a 2.9 inch drop and at 250 yds it has a 7 inch drop.
Yup - most doesn't quite know it, but little ol' Denmark is there - mainly backup operations and peacekeeping duties, but some have been sent as sharpshooters. Two of the four friends went as sharpshooters - it was one of those that didn't make it.
But from those friends, I've heard a few stories...
Since Denmark doesn't have the money or equipment that the 'mericans have - some Danes have been sent out with the old beltfed LMG (Light Machine Gun) designated M62 (in Dk anyhoo) and the M75 (HK G3 in various configurations)
They sometimes saw, that when you 'mericans shot in the iraquis direction with the puny 5.56-too-small - the iraquis still popped up for a go at extended ranges, which was anything from 300-1000 metres.
A short burst from the good ol' 7.62Nato LMG beltfed.. and they kept down or relocated.
They said they sometimes saw less action when the LMG was visible or the danish flag was on the vehicles - so they must have known danes use real bullets.
I think that gives a good insight at what the enemy thinks of the two calibers.
With 5.56 you got a chance - 7.62.. better duck down.
I think that's 'nuff said - at least from my friends and my own opinion of the two calibers (personal experience is strictly hunting and targetting though)
I say the Army needs to convince Springfield to make a select fire version of the SOCOM 16 and issue that to troops. I'd rather have a battle rifle over an assult rifle any day.
What good is a rifle that isn't even worth anything past 300 meters?
I don't think it's the rifle, Zulu; it's the skin consistency of Muslims. Lots of Vietnamese had their tickets cancelled by an M16 at 300 yards and further. That's the only thing I can figure: The skin consistency difference between races. Must be an hereditary thing, or maybe a diet thing.