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Camaro VS Mustang....1969
scottm21166
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I love both of these cars but I have to say, IMO the `69 Camaro is the pinicle of American car design
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npk_x2wxxCc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npk_x2wxxCc&NR=1
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Both vehicles had major shortcomings ... not the vehicles for today. [:0] [:(] [:0]
Appearances ... great, then and now.
Another vote for the '69 'Stang.
kinda like I view the PT Cruiser as a divorced middle aged womans car now
I always figured the Camaro for a girls car
kinda like I view the PT Cruiser as a divorced middle aged womans car now
You forgot the word "shady" The correct category name for the Camaro is "Shady middle aged woman's car" [:D]
You can tell that who ever posted the slide show on You-Tube didn't know squat about Mustangs. Most of the Stangs in the slide show are 1970's, and there is an Elanor at the start that was based on the 1967 Shelby. They also have several Mustangs that are 1968 body styles, and a few NON fast backs.[:(]
Of course I too am very biased since I previously owned a 1968 Shelby GTKR 500, and a 1970 R-code Mustang Mach-1. While the Shelby was a very nice ride, the SCJ 428 in the Mach-1 with shaker hood scoop was the thing most Chevy's didn't want to see pull up beside them at a stop light.[:p]
Of all the cars I raced I can't recall ever having a Camaro beat me. Besides other Mustangs & various Fords I recall having lost a few races to a Vet, a Chevelle, and an ugly looking Javelin. I also once lost to a Road Runner at a local drag strip, but olny because he got to leave before I did due to is having a slower ET. In a heads up race I might have blown him away, but he might have been snad bagging me anyway.[:o)]
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I guess if it's your opinion, but I always thought they were as ugly as the Ford Pinto, and that's just my IMO.[:I]
Of course I too am very biased since I previously owned a 1968 Shelby GTKR 500, and a 1970 R-code Mustang Mach-1. While the Shelby was a very nice ride, the SCJ 428 in the Mach-1 with shaker hood scoop was the thing most Chevy's didn't want to see pull up beside them at a stop light.[:p]
Of all the cars I raced I can't recall ever having a Camaro beat me. Besides other Mustangs & various Fords I recall having lost a few races to a Vet, a Chevelle, and an ugly looking Javelin. I also once lost to a Road Runner at a local drag strip, but olny because he got to leave before I did due to is having a slower ET. In a heads up race I might have blown him away, but he might have been snad bagging me anyway.[:o)]
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I suppose you think the AMC Gremlin is ugly, too?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Yep, you betcha. But, you had better watch out for those ugly old AMC cars. They may have not been the best looking rides going back then, but they were all sleepers just waiting to kick butt on whatever they raced.[^]
Locust Fork,
I'm sure you were not saying that Mustangs are valued less then Camero's are you? If so you might want to go and check that one out just a bit before making a statement like that. Camero's are now coming into their own as for as values go. They were down for a long time, but they do bring a nice draw at an auction. However, the Stangs all seem to go for a lot more. Unless you have a Yanko Camero like Mr. Perfect mentioned, most average Cameros run less than an average fast back stang.
The Yanko wasn't even a factory build. I believe it was the idea of an East Coast dealer (named Yanko) who would build you a Camero to order. They would even go so far as yanking the original engine & replace it with something Chevy never intended. Yanko's are very rare, but they are easily cloned, and the buyers beware of all the frauds that exist.
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I skipped over the Camaro phase, and the Firebird, since they were just too hyped. The Camaro became the "ensignmobile" since junior officers and senior enlisted could afford it as their "cruiser".
I'm not a big fan of either any more, the Stang OR the Camaro. But I like the body style of the Camaro better. I'll stick with the vette.
"The Yenko Super Camaro was a modified by Yenko Cevrolet. Don Yenko sold only 201 of his famous COPO-program Camaros out of his Canonsburg, PA dealership. The originals were all first-generation Camaros. When the Camaro debuted, the GM corporate prevented it from carrying an engine larger than 400 in3 (6.6 L) V8;Ford and Chrysler muscle cars of its era, since neither Ford nor Chrysler had such a limit."
201...thats not a very large number when consider everyone who ever claimed to have owned one. It is also why they are so valued now.
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'69 Yenko Camaro. The best of all muscle cars.
That's what I was thinking. [;)]
With that said here a beauty too. [:p]
Zulu,
Yep, you betcha. But, you had better watch out for those ugly old AMC cars. They may have not been the best looking rides going back then, but they were all sleepers just waiting to kick butt on whatever they raced.[^]
Locust Fork,
I'm sure you were not saying that Mustangs are valued less then Camero's are you? If so you might want to go and check that one out just a bit before making a statement like that. Camero's are now coming into their own as for as values go. They were down for a long time, but they do bring a nice draw at an auction. However, the Stangs all seem to go for a lot more. Unless you have a Yanko Camero like Mr. Perfect mentioned, most average Cameros run less than an average fast back stang.
The Yanko wasn't even a factory build. I believe it was the idea of an East Coast dealer (named Yanko) who would build you a Camero to order. They would even go so far as yanking the original engine & replace it with something Chevy never intended. Yanko's are very rare, but they are easily cloned, and the buyers beware of all the frauds that exist.
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I am talking about all the prices I have ever seen. Of course I never EVER look at the modern prices. I never have had any desire to buy a car off the showroom floor. When I went looking for my car I was actually looking for a Chevelle. I wanted something bigger with a little room in it. I never have liked the Mustang. I have only ever seen ONE Mustang that I liked...it was an older one. There just isn't anything there with the new ones...no style or "oomp" to them. They may as well have made a sedan.
LF, by "oomp", I hope your not reffering to horse power? There are a few new model Mustangs being made today that would tourch the older ones made back in the 60's & 70's.
Price wise too, the older Mustangs back in the 60's & 70's on base line cost more then the average Camero. That has always been Ford's down fall over the years. Cevrolet has always out sold them becuase Ford always charged too much for what they had.
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Zulu,
Yep, you betcha. But, you had better watch out for those ugly old AMC cars. They may have not been the best looking rides going back then, but they were all sleepers just waiting to kick butt on whatever they raced.[^]
Locust Fork,
I'm sure you were not saying that Mustangs are valued less then Camero's are you? If so you might want to go and check that one out just a bit before making a statement like that. Camero's are now coming into their own as for as values go. They were down for a long time, but they do bring a nice draw at an auction. However, the Stangs all seem to go for a lot more. Unless you have a Yanko Camero like Mr. Perfect mentioned, most average Cameros run less than an average fast back stang.
The Yanko wasn't even a factory build. I believe it was the idea of an East Coast dealer (named Yanko) who would build you a Camero to order. They would even go so far as yanking the original engine & replace it with something Chevy never intended. Yanko's are very rare, but they are easily cloned, and the buyers beware of all the frauds that exist.
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Yes they were, except for the logos they put on them. They were all factory. That's what makes them so valuable.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
This is just a few of the items I junked over the years.
Full set of stock aluminum rims from a 1968 Shelby Mustang.
Stock cast iron intake & exhaust manifolds for the same Shelby, to include a set from the 1970 Mach 1 & a 1973 Mach-1.
Full set of stock rims & hubs for the 1973 Mach-1
Stock valve covers for a 1973 CJ-351.
Stock chrome valve covers for a 1967 427 side oiler
Two factory Ford dual point distributors for a SCJ-428
One wood rim steering wheel for the 68-Shelby (Now priceless)
A rear spoiler for a 1970 Cougar Eliminator (Replaced with a Cougar luggage rack)
Any Carb, that wasn't named HOLLY.[^]
Any stock exhausts system that ever existed on a vehicle I owned, even if it was brand new![:o)]
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The Mustang was the original Pony Car. It took 2 1/2 years for Chevy to catch up after Ford released the Mustang. Chevy's been playing 2nd fiddle ever since.
Another vote for the '69 'Stang.
Are you serious? The AMC Pacer is a better body style than the 70s Mustangs.
No sir Mr. Imperfect, you are very, very wrong sir, and you stand corrected.[:)]
Like I previously posted the Yenko Super Camaro was a modified by Yenko Chevrolet. Don Yenko sold only 201 of his famous COPO-program Camaros out of his Canonsburg, PA dealership. The originals were all first-generation Camaros. When the Camaro debuted, the GM corporate prevented it from carrying an engine larger than 400 in3 (6.6 L) V8; Ford and Chrysler muscle cars of its era, since neither Ford nor Chrysler had such a limit. The Yenko dealership ripped all the original engines out and replaced them with larger 427 motors. The vehicles were heavily modified after they left the plant from their original design. While these engines were NOS GM parts, they were not installed at the factory. Yenko even started doing this before Chevrolet gave an OK. The factory wouldn't warrant the cars. They had to be serviced by Yenko only. It wasn't until after they became a success that GM gave their blessing making the Yenko the Shelby of Chevrolet.
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quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
The Mustang was the original Pony Car. It took 2 1/2 years for Chevy to catch up after Ford released the Mustang. Chevy's been playing 2nd fiddle ever since.
Another vote for the '69 'Stang.
Are you serious? The AMC Pacer is a better body style than the 70s Mustangs.
every time someone mentions an old mustang, all I can think of is the 70's era pintos.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
i picked up a 1967 corvette oval port 3 deuce intake for $25 and it had been repaired (a restored one went for $2500)[:0]
sold it for $1000[:0]
took the carb off the chevelle i raced with and it turned out to be a numbered carb for a ls6 chevelle
sold it for $455[:0]
and had an old dash cluster from a 67 ss chevelle it was all rusted up and needed total restoration
stuck it on fle-bay for $25
sold for $350[:0]
saw a nos plastic wire lume go for $995 on fel-bay[:0]
you never know what some will pay for stuff you think is junk
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I guess I am fortunate to have lived thru the era of aspirated ( carburator's ) muscle. I have owned Hemi's, Boss Mustangs, 427 Camaro's, BB Chevelle's, Roadrunners, Cobra Torino's, BB Corvettes, Nova's, 442's, Grand Sport Buicks, almost anything that had muscle. I loved them all. Todays cars are not tuned like old school cars where you tweak the carbs to run on octane that will make your eyes tear up at the exhaust. Tuned just right when that happens. We had carbs, distributors with dwell, timing. Todays cars are set up with computer tunes that plug in. Big deal. However todays cars will actually run faster than all that HP muscle I grew up with. Tires, fuel injection , less weight all make the new stuff go faster. I also will say, I have judged car shows a plenty. No one has anything better than anyone else. If you think you do, you need to get out of the hobby. There may be rare cars and rare cars are a joy to view but respect someone elses car because they like it. If they like it , I do too. aside any Jap junk. Jap junk don't show up to car shows, least any I have ever been to.
How many have you been to in Japan?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I guess my choice is obvious. I sold it 3 years ago and have regretted it ever since. I know it's a 68 Camaro but always like the 67,68 &69
Very nice.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
I guess I am fortunate to have lived thru the era of aspirated ( carburator's ) muscle. I have owned Hemi's, Boss Mustangs, 427 Camaro's, BB Chevelle's, Roadrunners, Cobra Torino's, BB Corvettes, Nova's, 442's, Grand Sport Buicks, almost anything that had muscle. I loved them all. Todays cars are not tuned like old school cars where you tweak the carbs to run on octane that will make your eyes tear up at the exhaust. Tuned just right when that happens. We had carbs, distributors with dwell, timing. Todays cars are set up with computer tunes that plug in. Big deal. However todays cars will actually run faster than all that HP muscle I grew up with. Tires, fuel injection , less weight all make the new stuff go faster. I also will say, I have judged car shows a plenty. No one has anything better than anyone else. If you think you do, you need to get out of the hobby. There may be rare cars and rare cars are a joy to view but respect someone elses car because they like it. If they like it , I do too. aside any Jap junk. Jap junk don't show up to car shows, least any I have ever been to.
How many have you been to in Japan?
Why the heck would I want to go to Japan? Are you there now?
Actually Yenko was modifying Camaro SS's in 67 and 68 before GM started COPOs in 69 then he started modifying those as well.
Yenko and Nicki out of Chicago. GM entered with the 69 Produced ZL-1's in 1969 .. fast forward ahead 43 years to the 2012 ZL-1 Camaro 69 cars will be made.
Rebuild the orig. 6cyl or 260v8 and end up with a car that can't get out of it's own way...or...
Build a bigger, stronger 289ci. or better v8, and lose your * in value as an original.
After those two years they started building a better performing car. But, by then, the first gen.(67-69) Camaro hit the streets and it was time for Ford to play "catch up".
So, having had 1 Rustang & 2 Cramaros from those early years, gotta put my chips on the Camaro. My 65 Rustang had more shake & rattle than Elvis while the 69 Camaro was a 396/4spd. So, ya might say my vote was tainted. quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
The Mustang was the original Pony Car. It took 2 1/2 years for Chevy to catch up after Ford released the Mustang. Chevy's been playing 2nd fiddle ever since.
Another vote for the '69 'Stang.
1970 BOSS 302!!!!![8D]
Kept it until Feb. 1971 when the wife got two speeding tickets.
The guy who bought it totaled it out three months later and stayed in the hospital for 7 weeks. You could barely tell what it was after flipping end over end for 150 yards.