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Camaro VS Mustang....1969

scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
edited September 2011 in General Discussion
I love both of these cars but I have to say, IMO the `69 Camaro is the pinicle of American car design

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npk_x2wxxCc&NR=1
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  • NOSLEEPNOSLEEP Member Posts: 4,526
    edited November -1
    Both iconic sports cars. I have a sweet spot for the 69 Mustang...
  • Alan RushingAlan Rushing Member Posts: 8,805 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thought the appearance of the '69 Mustang tops. [:)]

    Both vehicles had major shortcomings ... not the vehicles for today. [:0] [:(] [:0]

    Appearances ... great, then and now.
  • MrM1A1MrM1A1 Member Posts: 2,764 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I've always been more of a Mustang fan myself...
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Mustang was the original Pony Car. It took 2 1/2 years for Chevy to catch up after Ford released the Mustang. Chevy's been playing 2nd fiddle ever since.

    Another vote for the '69 'Stang.
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,051 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have always thought of the Mustang as the car for people that couldn't afford the Camaro.....they always seem to sell for less.
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  • nutfinnnutfinn Member Posts: 12,808 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I like them both [:D]
  • SawzSawz Member Posts: 6,049
    edited November -1
    I always figured the Camaro for a girls car

    kinda like I view the PT Cruiser as a divorced middle aged womans car now
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,051 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Sawz
    I always figured the Camaro for a girls car

    kinda like I view the PT Cruiser as a divorced middle aged womans car now


    You forgot the word "shady" The correct category name for the Camaro is "Shady middle aged woman's car" [:D]
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I guess if it's your opinion, but I always thought they were as ugly as the Ford Pinto, and that's just my IMO.[:I]

    You can tell that who ever posted the slide show on You-Tube didn't know squat about Mustangs. Most of the Stangs in the slide show are 1970's, and there is an Elanor at the start that was based on the 1967 Shelby. They also have several Mustangs that are 1968 body styles, and a few NON fast backs.[:(]

    Of course I too am very biased since I previously owned a 1968 Shelby GTKR 500, and a 1970 R-code Mustang Mach-1. While the Shelby was a very nice ride, the SCJ 428 in the Mach-1 with shaker hood scoop was the thing most Chevy's didn't want to see pull up beside them at a stop light.[:p]

    Of all the cars I raced I can't recall ever having a Camaro beat me. Besides other Mustangs & various Fords I recall having lost a few races to a Vet, a Chevelle, and an ugly looking Javelin. I also once lost to a Road Runner at a local drag strip, but olny because he got to leave before I did due to is having a slower ET. In a heads up race I might have blown him away, but he might have been snad bagging me anyway.[:o)]

    Trinity +++
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
    I guess if it's your opinion, but I always thought they were as ugly as the Ford Pinto, and that's just my IMO.[:I]

    Of course I too am very biased since I previously owned a 1968 Shelby GTKR 500, and a 1970 R-code Mustang Mach-1. While the Shelby was a very nice ride, the SCJ 428 in the Mach-1 with shaker hood scoop was the thing most Chevy's didn't want to see pull up beside them at a stop light.[:p]

    Of all the cars I raced I can't recall ever having a Camaro beat me. Besides other Mustangs & various Fords I recall having lost a few races to a Vet, a Chevelle, and an ugly looking Javelin. I also once lost to a Road Runner at a local drag strip, but olny because he got to leave before I did due to is having a slower ET. In a heads up race I might have blown him away, but he might have been snad bagging me anyway.[:o)]

    Trinity +++



    I suppose you think the AMC Gremlin is ugly, too?
  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,539 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    69 camaro is my favorite camaro but I still like the 69 Mustang better especially if I could get ahold of a 429 Boss
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    '69 Yenko Camaro. The best of all muscle cars.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • jwb267jwb267 Member Posts: 19,664 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    well, you know which one i am going to pick[:D]
  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Zulu,

    Yep, you betcha. But, you had better watch out for those ugly old AMC cars. They may have not been the best looking rides going back then, but they were all sleepers just waiting to kick butt on whatever they raced.[^]

    Locust Fork,

    I'm sure you were not saying that Mustangs are valued less then Camero's are you? If so you might want to go and check that one out just a bit before making a statement like that. Camero's are now coming into their own as for as values go. They were down for a long time, but they do bring a nice draw at an auction. However, the Stangs all seem to go for a lot more. Unless you have a Yanko Camero like Mr. Perfect mentioned, most average Cameros run less than an average fast back stang.

    The Yanko wasn't even a factory build. I believe it was the idea of an East Coast dealer (named Yanko) who would build you a Camero to order. They would even go so far as yanking the original engine & replace it with something Chevy never intended. Yanko's are very rare, but they are easily cloned, and the buyers beware of all the frauds that exist.

    Trinity +++
  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My first car was a 1979 Mustang...I was 16 and it was the hottest thing at my high school.

    I skipped over the Camaro phase, and the Firebird, since they were just too hyped. The Camaro became the "ensignmobile" since junior officers and senior enlisted could afford it as their "cruiser".

    I'm not a big fan of either any more, the Stang OR the Camaro. But I like the body style of the Camaro better. I'll stick with the vette.
  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have been spelling Yenko wrong all these years. I found this on the interent about them.

    "The Yenko Super Camaro was a modified by Yenko Cevrolet. Don Yenko sold only 201 of his famous COPO-program Camaros out of his Canonsburg, PA dealership. The originals were all first-generation Camaros. When the Camaro debuted, the GM corporate prevented it from carrying an engine larger than 400 in3 (6.6 L) V8;Ford and Chrysler muscle cars of its era, since neither Ford nor Chrysler had such a limit."

    201...thats not a very large number when consider everyone who ever claimed to have owned one. It is also why they are so valued now.

    Trinity +++
  • Hunter MagHunter Mag Member Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    '69 Yenko Camaro. The best of all muscle cars.

    That's what I was thinking. [;)]

    With that said here a beauty too. [:p]

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  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,051 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
    Zulu,

    Yep, you betcha. But, you had better watch out for those ugly old AMC cars. They may have not been the best looking rides going back then, but they were all sleepers just waiting to kick butt on whatever they raced.[^]

    Locust Fork,

    I'm sure you were not saying that Mustangs are valued less then Camero's are you? If so you might want to go and check that one out just a bit before making a statement like that. Camero's are now coming into their own as for as values go. They were down for a long time, but they do bring a nice draw at an auction. However, the Stangs all seem to go for a lot more. Unless you have a Yanko Camero like Mr. Perfect mentioned, most average Cameros run less than an average fast back stang.

    The Yanko wasn't even a factory build. I believe it was the idea of an East Coast dealer (named Yanko) who would build you a Camero to order. They would even go so far as yanking the original engine & replace it with something Chevy never intended. Yanko's are very rare, but they are easily cloned, and the buyers beware of all the frauds that exist.

    Trinity +++



    I am talking about all the prices I have ever seen. Of course I never EVER look at the modern prices. I never have had any desire to buy a car off the showroom floor. When I went looking for my car I was actually looking for a Chevelle. I wanted something bigger with a little room in it. I never have liked the Mustang. I have only ever seen ONE Mustang that I liked...it was an older one. There just isn't anything there with the new ones...no style or "oomp" to them. They may as well have made a sedan.
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  • partisanpartisan Member Posts: 6,414
    edited November -1
    Been aMustang man since my 1965. Would love to have a new Boss Stang!!![:p][:p][:p]
  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "There just isn't anything there with the new ones...no style or "oomp" to them. They may as well have made a sedan."

    LF, by "oomp", I hope your not reffering to horse power? There are a few new model Mustangs being made today that would tourch the older ones made back in the 60's & 70's.

    Price wise too, the older Mustangs back in the 60's & 70's on base line cost more then the average Camero. That has always been Ford's down fall over the years. Cevrolet has always out sold them becuase Ford always charged too much for what they had.

    Trinity +++
  • CHEVELLE427CHEVELLE427 Member Posts: 6,750
    edited November -1
    USE TO LOVE CATCHING EITHER AT A RED LIGHT [}:)]

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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
    Zulu,

    Yep, you betcha. But, you had better watch out for those ugly old AMC cars. They may have not been the best looking rides going back then, but they were all sleepers just waiting to kick butt on whatever they raced.[^]

    Locust Fork,

    I'm sure you were not saying that Mustangs are valued less then Camero's are you? If so you might want to go and check that one out just a bit before making a statement like that. Camero's are now coming into their own as for as values go. They were down for a long time, but they do bring a nice draw at an auction. However, the Stangs all seem to go for a lot more. Unless you have a Yanko Camero like Mr. Perfect mentioned, most average Cameros run less than an average fast back stang.

    The Yanko wasn't even a factory build. I believe it was the idea of an East Coast dealer (named Yanko) who would build you a Camero to order. They would even go so far as yanking the original engine & replace it with something Chevy never intended. Yanko's are very rare, but they are easily cloned, and the buyers beware of all the frauds that exist.

    Trinity +++

    Yes they were, except for the logos they put on them. They were all factory. That's what makes them so valuable.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It blows my mind to think of all the stock (NOS) parts that we would remove from cars & just toss them into the corner of the garage or shed out back. If I still had some of them today I could get rich at a swap meet.[:p]

    This is just a few of the items I junked over the years.

    Full set of stock aluminum rims from a 1968 Shelby Mustang.

    Stock cast iron intake & exhaust manifolds for the same Shelby, to include a set from the 1970 Mach 1 & a 1973 Mach-1.

    Full set of stock rims & hubs for the 1973 Mach-1

    Stock valve covers for a 1973 CJ-351.

    Stock chrome valve covers for a 1967 427 side oiler

    Two factory Ford dual point distributors for a SCJ-428

    One wood rim steering wheel for the 68-Shelby (Now priceless)

    A rear spoiler for a 1970 Cougar Eliminator (Replaced with a Cougar luggage rack)

    Any Carb, that wasn't named HOLLY.[^]

    Any stock exhausts system that ever existed on a vehicle I owned, even if it was brand new![:o)]

    Trinity +++
  • bigborefanbigborefan Member Posts: 159 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I guess my choice is obvious. I sold it 3 years ago and have regretted it ever since. I know it's a 68 Camaro but always like the 67,68 &69
    68SSCamaro008.jpg
  • Oklahoma223Oklahoma223 Member Posts: 2,648 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    The Mustang was the original Pony Car. It took 2 1/2 years for Chevy to catch up after Ford released the Mustang. Chevy's been playing 2nd fiddle ever since.

    Another vote for the '69 'Stang.


    Are you serious? The AMC Pacer is a better body style than the 70s Mustangs.
    1974-mustang-ii_red.jpg
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  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "Yes they were, except for the logos they put on them. They were all factory. That's what makes them so valuable."

    No sir Mr. Imperfect, you are very, very wrong sir, and you stand corrected.[:)]

    Like I previously posted the Yenko Super Camaro was a modified by Yenko Chevrolet. Don Yenko sold only 201 of his famous COPO-program Camaros out of his Canonsburg, PA dealership. The originals were all first-generation Camaros. When the Camaro debuted, the GM corporate prevented it from carrying an engine larger than 400 in3 (6.6 L) V8; Ford and Chrysler muscle cars of its era, since neither Ford nor Chrysler had such a limit. The Yenko dealership ripped all the original engines out and replaced them with larger 427 motors. The vehicles were heavily modified after they left the plant from their original design. While these engines were NOS GM parts, they were not installed at the factory. Yenko even started doing this before Chevrolet gave an OK. The factory wouldn't warrant the cars. They had to be serviced by Yenko only. It wasn't until after they became a success that GM gave their blessing making the Yenko the Shelby of Chevrolet.

    Trinity +++
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Oklahoma223
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    The Mustang was the original Pony Car. It took 2 1/2 years for Chevy to catch up after Ford released the Mustang. Chevy's been playing 2nd fiddle ever since.

    Another vote for the '69 'Stang.


    Are you serious? The AMC Pacer is a better body style than the 70s Mustangs.
    1974-mustang-ii_red.jpg
    red74z-2.jpg
    every time someone mentions an old mustang, all I can think of is the 70's era pintos.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • CHEVELLE427CHEVELLE427 Member Posts: 6,750
    edited November -1
    talk about old parts

    i picked up a 1967 corvette oval port 3 deuce intake for $25 and it had been repaired (a restored one went for $2500)[:0]

    sold it for $1000[:0]

    took the carb off the chevelle i raced with and it turned out to be a numbered carb for a ls6 chevelle
    sold it for $455[:0]

    and had an old dash cluster from a 67 ss chevelle it was all rusted up and needed total restoration
    stuck it on fle-bay for $25

    sold for $350[:0]

    saw a nos plastic wire lume go for $995 on fel-bay[:0]


    you never know what some will pay for stuff you think is junk
  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yea, I wish a dime for every 9" rear end I walked past rusting in a farmers field..[:D]

    Trinity +++
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,493 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I guess I am fortunate to have lived thru the era of aspirated ( carburator's ) muscle. I have owned Hemi's, Boss Mustangs, 427 Camaro's, BB Chevelle's, Roadrunners, Cobra Torino's, BB Corvettes, Nova's, 442's, Grand Sport Buicks, almost anything that had muscle. I loved them all. Todays cars are not tuned like old school cars where you tweak the carbs to run on octane that will make your eyes tear up at the exhaust. Tuned just right when that happens. We had carbs, distributors with dwell, timing. Todays cars are set up with computer tunes that plug in. Big deal. However todays cars will actually run faster than all that HP muscle I grew up with. Tires, fuel injection , less weight all make the new stuff go faster. I also will say, I have judged car shows a plenty. No one has anything better than anyone else. If you think you do, you need to get out of the hobby. There may be rare cars and rare cars are a joy to view but respect someone elses car because they like it. If they like it , I do too. aside any Jap junk. Jap junk don't show up to car shows, least any I have ever been to.
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,404 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    I guess I am fortunate to have lived thru the era of aspirated ( carburator's ) muscle. I have owned Hemi's, Boss Mustangs, 427 Camaro's, BB Chevelle's, Roadrunners, Cobra Torino's, BB Corvettes, Nova's, 442's, Grand Sport Buicks, almost anything that had muscle. I loved them all. Todays cars are not tuned like old school cars where you tweak the carbs to run on octane that will make your eyes tear up at the exhaust. Tuned just right when that happens. We had carbs, distributors with dwell, timing. Todays cars are set up with computer tunes that plug in. Big deal. However todays cars will actually run faster than all that HP muscle I grew up with. Tires, fuel injection , less weight all make the new stuff go faster. I also will say, I have judged car shows a plenty. No one has anything better than anyone else. If you think you do, you need to get out of the hobby. There may be rare cars and rare cars are a joy to view but respect someone elses car because they like it. If they like it , I do too. aside any Jap junk. Jap junk don't show up to car shows, least any I have ever been to.
    How many have you been to in Japan?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,493 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bigborefan
    I guess my choice is obvious. I sold it 3 years ago and have regretted it ever since. I know it's a 68 Camaro but always like the 67,68 &69
    68SSCamaro008.jpg


    Very nice.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,493 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    I guess I am fortunate to have lived thru the era of aspirated ( carburator's ) muscle. I have owned Hemi's, Boss Mustangs, 427 Camaro's, BB Chevelle's, Roadrunners, Cobra Torino's, BB Corvettes, Nova's, 442's, Grand Sport Buicks, almost anything that had muscle. I loved them all. Todays cars are not tuned like old school cars where you tweak the carbs to run on octane that will make your eyes tear up at the exhaust. Tuned just right when that happens. We had carbs, distributors with dwell, timing. Todays cars are set up with computer tunes that plug in. Big deal. However todays cars will actually run faster than all that HP muscle I grew up with. Tires, fuel injection , less weight all make the new stuff go faster. I also will say, I have judged car shows a plenty. No one has anything better than anyone else. If you think you do, you need to get out of the hobby. There may be rare cars and rare cars are a joy to view but respect someone elses car because they like it. If they like it , I do too. aside any Jap junk. Jap junk don't show up to car shows, least any I have ever been to.
    How many have you been to in Japan?


    Why the heck would I want to go to Japan? Are you there now?
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,493 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by austin20
    Actually Yenko was modifying Camaro SS's in 67 and 68 before GM started COPOs in 69 then he started modifying those as well.


    Yenko and Nicki out of Chicago. GM entered with the 69 Produced ZL-1's in 1969 .. fast forward ahead 43 years to the 2012 ZL-1 Camaro 69 cars will be made.
  • HavegunJoeHavegunJoe Member Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wrong! The Mustang is Bad * all the way. I owned a 70 which is very similar. Great little car and the 302 had lots of pep.
  • bhale187bhale187 Member Posts: 7,798
    edited November -1
    69 camaro is my favorite old car too. I had one that I did a ground up restoration on, sold it in the late 90s. I kick myself everytime I think of that car, should have held on to it.
  • sgm hagsgm hag Member Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Never understood the fanactical drawing to the first gen. Mustang. Afterall, it was just a Falcon with a unibody tin box on it. And designed to be a secretaries car. They're asking an arm & leg for an old worn out original. Then you have 2 options on a new motor rebuild:
    Rebuild the orig. 6cyl or 260v8 and end up with a car that can't get out of it's own way...or...
    Build a bigger, stronger 289ci. or better v8, and lose your * in value as an original.

    After those two years they started building a better performing car. But, by then, the first gen.(67-69) Camaro hit the streets and it was time for Ford to play "catch up".

    So, having had 1 Rustang & 2 Cramaros from those early years, gotta put my chips on the Camaro. My 65 Rustang had more shake & rattle than Elvis while the 69 Camaro was a 396/4spd. So, ya might say my vote was tainted. quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    The Mustang was the original Pony Car. It took 2 1/2 years for Chevy to catch up after Ford released the Mustang. Chevy's been playing 2nd fiddle ever since.

    Another vote for the '69 'Stang.
  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    I realize you said 69, but I owned the 'best' car to ever come off the assembly line.
    1970 BOSS 302!!!!![8D]
  • cbxjeffcbxjeff Member Posts: 17,624 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    S-F, I took my new '69 Vette to the dealer for minor service & they had a '69 ZL-1 on the showroom. $3000. base price and the ZL-1 package - another $3K. That car is worth more than my house now. B.T.W., you mentioned the '12 ZL-1, Rick Hendrick bought one at a Vegas auction last weekend for $250K!
    It's too late for me, save yourself.
  • grdad45grdad45 Member Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I bought a yellow '69 Boss 302 off the showroom floor three days after I got out of the Navy in Nov. 1969 for $3225. It DID attract the attention of the ladies. (and the cops)[}:)]
    Kept it until Feb. 1971 when the wife got two speeding tickets.
    The guy who bought it totaled it out three months later and stayed in the hospital for 7 weeks. You could barely tell what it was after flipping end over end for 150 yards.
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