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Kerry and Gun Issues (C&P)

HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
edited February 2004 in General Discussion
John Kerry voting record..Guns/hunting
Submitted by Charles on 01/29/2004. ( MArl4570@aol.com ) 152.163.253.7
John Kerry is not pro-gun, pro-hunting,pro-military, pro-balanced budget he has a 35yr record and it does not support the lies his campaign is putting out..

On Guns..

Voted with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence 100 percent of the time.
Voted with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent of the time.
Received an F from the National Rifle Association in 2002.
Received an F from Gun Owners of American for the 108th Congress.
Opposes the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (H.R. 1036 / S. 659), which grants gun manufacturers, distributors and dealers immunity from lawsuits. The measure passed the House and has the support of 55 senators. The Senate is expected to consider the measure in 2004.
Voted in favor of an amendment to the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act (S. 1607), commonly known as the ?assault weapons? ban. President Clinton signed the bill into law in 1994.
Voted in favor the Brady Bill (H.R. 1025 / S. 414), which required a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases and established a national instant criminal background check system. President Clinton signed the bill into law in 1993.
Quotes

"Howard Dean and I have huge difference on guns and what's appropriate. I don't want to be the candidate of the NRA in this country. I don't think the Democratic Party should be the candidacy of the NRA. And when I was fighting to ban assault weapons in 1992 and '93, Howard Dean was appealing to the NRA for their endorsement, and he got it. He's been endorsed more times by the NRA than the NEA."
- Democratic presidential debate in Boston, Nov. 4, 2003
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Hypocrisy is the homage paid by vice to virtue.
Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain.

Comments

  • lurkerlurker Member Posts: 414 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hairy:

    That was very illuminating. (Seriously).
  • dheffleydheffley Member Posts: 25,000
    edited November -1
    Thanks Hairy,

    That's just one of the things that worry me. Do you think we will ever get a chance to vote for a pro-second-amendment candidate? [V]

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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    Dheff,

    What needs to happen is for a Democratic candidate to pull a Nixon and "go to China," so to speak, on gun rights.

    Kerry has the momentum and right now the most important thing for Democrats is that he can beat Bush. If he reversed his previous stance on guns, he would pick up a lot of gun owner votes... gun owners who aren't too happy with Bush but aren't too keen on Kerry either. And since he's the obvious and unbeatable front runner, the Democrats could either sabotage their own candidate or rally behind him.

    Now I'm willing to bet his won't happen. Democrats are just as beholden to dogma as the Republicans are, if not more so in some cases. But if he did reverse his stance, he would win the White House easily, especially if he gave it the right spin to contain the fallout within his own party.

    Unfortunately, Kerry seems all too willing to literally "go to China" on gun rights and ban them all.[:(]
  • 357357 Member Posts: 403 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Kerry and the Democratic Party are idiots for still pushing this gun control agenda when most people don't want it.

    Well I would think most in America wouldn't, but I don't have anything to back that up. I do think he could win easily, and also win back the House and Senate if they dropped the gun control BS.

    But it's a shame because they do better on issues like keeping jobs in America, education, and upholding the rest of the constitution (not the second amendment obviously)[}:)] and civil liberties.


    So basically when voting you have to choose between keeping your guns, but losing many other Constitutional freedoms with the Republicans:

    Freedom of religion (First Amendment):

    quote:
    "The Republican Party of Texas reaffirms
    the United States of America is a Christian Nation ..."
    State of Texas GOP Platform, 2002


    John Ashcroft's Patriot Act:

    quote:

    Why the Patriot Act's expansion of records searches is unconstitutional
    Section 215 of the Patriot Act violates the Constitution in several ways. It:

    Violates the Fourth Amendment, which says the government cannot conduct a search without obtaining a warrant and showing probable cause to believe that the person has committed or will commit a crime.

    Violates the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech by prohibiting the recipients of search orders from telling others about those orders, even where there is no real need for secrecy.

    Violates the First Amendment by effectively authorizing the FBI to launch investigations of American citizens in part for exercising their freedom of speech.

    Violates the Fourth Amendmentby failing to provide notice - even after the fact - to persons whose privacy has been compromised. Notice is also a key element of due process, which is guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment.




    Or with the Democrats they want to ban all our guns, and protect those other things.

    Both choices are completely unacceptable in my estimation.[xx(]
  • 357357 Member Posts: 403 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I consider myself to be pretty moderate, but it makes me mad to see both parties disregarding entire parts of the constitution.


    Adams and Jefferson would be spinning in their graves if they knew Pat Robertson was receiving taxpayer grants from one political party, and also that the other Party was trying to ban private ownership of guns.

    It would be hard for me to vote for either Bush or Kerry because of their disregard for our Constitution.
  • Ruger22Ruger22 Member Posts: 385
    edited November -1
    It is obvious he a proponent of Bolshevism. (except for his own riches of course, and an obvious hypocrite).
    He should go back to the socialist infested Taxachusetts. He is a traitor to the Republic and the Constitution.

    Member: NRA, RFC, John Birch Society, American Numismatic Association.
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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 357


    Adams and Jefferson would be spinning in their graves if they knew Pat Robertson was receiving taxpayer grants from one political party,
    They would not be spinning about "who" was receiving taxpayer grants. They would be spinning over the fact that the US collects and distributes taxes for charitable purposes.

    "Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
    -Jimmy the cheese man
  • HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    What a shame that the greatest nation on this earth is limited to having only twiddledee and twiddledum for choices!

    Where the heck if Perot when you need him? (Never thought I would ever say that!)




    Hypocrisy is the homage paid by vice to virtue.
    Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain.
  • bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
    edited November -1
    A real man with his own mind couldn't get elected to dog catcher in this country.

    Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
  • steve45steve45 Member Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • muggstermuggster Member Posts: 420 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not voting for either one of those fellas....couln't sleep at night if I did.

    Muggster
  • old06old06 Member Posts: 577 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good one Hairy thanks.

    psalms 16
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