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ATF at it again get your ammo now!

M1A762M1A762 Member Posts: 3,426
edited September 2016 in General Discussion

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    mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,297 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So reading through the article ATF's classification of wetted nitrocellulose has changed.
    This may present a hardship to the manufactures of smokeless powders, primers and ammunition but doesn't impact storing or record keeping of smokeless powder, or ammunition.

    And the industry if smart should withhold all shipments of completed ammunition, and or smokeless powder to any and all government agencies including the military until the ATF changes their position.
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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    Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,372 ******
    edited November -1
    Such ridiculousness. The ATF went full retard on this. Never go full retard.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
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    M1A762M1A762 Member Posts: 3,426
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mogley98
    So reading through the article ATF's classification of wetted nitrocellulose has changed.
    This may present a hardship to the manufactures of smokeless powders, primers and ammunition but doesn't impact storing or record keeping of smokeless powder, or ammunition.

    And the industry if smart should withhold all shipments of completed ammunition, and or smokeless powder to any and all government agencies including the military until the ATF changes their position.





    More cost and regulations to adhere to for the manufacturers means less supply and higher costs for end users. Notice the ATF included no grace period for the manufacturers to be in compliance. Production will stop until compliance is obtained.

    New license fees, construction of magazines to contain the reclassified "explosive" that has never been a problem, and no doubt new insurance costs.

    How will the manufacturers manage to recoup these costs? We all know the answer to that question.

    Back door gun control again. Guns without ammunition are great door stops.
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    Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,372 ******
    edited November -1
    Things are really starting to make sense to me now (I know, I'm slow).

    All the ammo stockpiling and weapons buying the government was doing. All this was in the plans. And they knew that the only way that folks would retaliate initially was to cut off the supply of guns and ammo to federal agencies.

    Well, that is what I suggest every manufacturer do. Think they will get behind that?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
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    GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 16,811 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Barry The Obammama,,the one who let's loose criminals by the hundreds and backdoor banning ammo,, YEP YOU DEMOCRATS on this board should be proud of your mudslime pres and the yanker * wanting to follow the absolute dungpile up.
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    Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,372 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
    Barry The Obammama,,the one who let's loose criminals by the hundreds and backdoor banning ammo,, YEP YOU DEMOCRATS on this board should be proud of your mudslime pres and the yanker * wanting to follow the absolute dungpile up.
    Unless you're willing to admit the shortcomings of the staunch republican supporters, I think you'd best step down of your high horse.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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    GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 16,811 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
    Barry The Obammama,,the one who let's loose criminals by the hundreds and backdoor banning ammo,, YEP YOU DEMOCRATS on this board should be proud of your mudslime pres and the yanker * wanting to follow the absolute dungpile up.
    Unless you're willing to admit the shortcomings of the staunch republican supporters, I think you'd best step down of your high horse.


    The only horse I have is a miniature pony[8)] and if you are a Demo, you have a * leading you now and a old, cheating nag to follow next time.
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    droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,367 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    From Google:
    Modern, factory-loaded rounds are designed to function reliably in conditions ranging from the arctic to the tropics. Therefore as long as you prevent exposure to extreme heat, high humidity and temperature fluctuations, your ammunition can be expected to last 10 years.

    So, need to replace your "stockpile" every 10 years or a few misfires aren't a big deal?
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    wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    May be a good time to stock up to avoid the mayhem of misinformation to follow...[8]
    "What is truth?'
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    mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,297 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    TEN YEARS??!! oh crap I better sell off the stuff I have it is getting around 5 or 6 years old.

    quote:Originally posted by droptop
    From Google:
    Modern, factory-loaded rounds are designed to function reliably in conditions ranging from the arctic to the tropics. Therefore as long as you prevent exposure to extreme heat, high humidity and temperature fluctuations, your ammunition can be expected to last 10 years.

    So, need to replace your "stockpile" every 10 years or a few misfires aren't a big deal?
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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    M1A762M1A762 Member Posts: 3,426
    edited November -1
    You guys can spin this how you want, but nothing changes the fact that this was done quietly by the ATF. We know who directs the ATF.

    Bammy can't get any "common sense" BS gun control through congress, so here he goes again with back door tactics.

    This reclassification will potentially cause delays in ammo and powder manufacture, and certainly will cause prices to rise.

    Combine this fact with the threat of hitllary in office and we have ammogeddon. [:(!][:(!][:(!]

    Prices will not go down from here on through November. Any mass shooting or terrorist crap on top of election panic will only increase the demand.

    If you need ammo, and who doesn't - get it while you can. Same goes for components. Remember 2008, 2012 and Sandy Hook??
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    nutfinnnutfinn Member Posts: 12,808 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have stuff from 1950's 7.62x25, works fine [:)]
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    silver salmonsilver salmon Member Posts: 317 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ammo good only for 10 years bull carp! I have ammo my grandfather bandleader back in the 1950s that not only still works but does inaccurately.
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    silver salmonsilver salmon Member Posts: 317 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Darn auto spell
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    chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    As long as there are DEMOCRATs in government, your Second Amendment is in jeopardy.

    The end of private gun ownership is a core competency and strategic goal of the DEMOCRAT party. They will not stop until this goal is attained and could care less about any unintended consequence.

    DEMOCRATs will use EVERY tool available to end your Second Amendment rights to include the DOJ, DOT, IRS and every alphabet federal agency to include the ATF. That is every stinking agency.
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    ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,663 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The ATF just issued an update to this. They had a bunch of ammo companies contact them over this and they've decided to look into it more so I wouldn't be in some big hurry to clear the shelves of ammo just yet.
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    He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,069 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Things are really starting to make sense to me now (I know, I'm slow).

    All the ammo stockpiling and weapons buying the government was doing. All this was in the plans. And they knew that the only way that folks would retaliate initially was to cut off the supply of guns and ammo to federal agencies.

    Well, that is what I suggest every manufacturer do. Think they will get behind that?




    I suspect you are giving them all together too much credit for brains and foresight. Even a blind hog and all that, I think that better describes them.
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    1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
    Barry The Obammama,,the one who let's loose criminals by the hundreds and backdoor banning ammo,, YEP YOU DEMOCRATS on this board should be proud of your mudslime pres and the yanker * wanting to follow the absolute dungpile up.
    Unless you're willing to admit the shortcomings of the staunch republican supporters, I think you'd best step down of your high horse.


    The only horse I have is a miniature pony[8)] and if you are a Demo, you have a * leading you now and a old, cheating nag to follow next time.


    i wouldnt go bragging



    http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=680754
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    1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    does anyone here know the difference in whetted nitrocellulose, and nitrocellulose that is used in smokeless gun powder ?
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    M1A762M1A762 Member Posts: 3,426
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
    does anyone here know the difference in whetted nitrocellulose, and nitrocellulose that is used in smokeless gun powder ?


    From what I have read, "whetted nitrocellulose" is just that, it was not considered explosive because it was wet with water or alcohol. This made it safe for transport and storage until the liquid was removed and it became an explosive again.

    This is how I understand it, I could easily be wrong though, happens all the time. [:)]

    I have not read about just why the ATF decided to reclassify wetted nitrocellulose, maybe they were bored and needed to create new regulations instead of enforcing existing regulations???[;)]

    Or if you put on a tin foil hat it is back door gun control.[:(!]
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    Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,372 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by M1A762
    quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
    does anyone here know the difference in whetted nitrocellulose, and nitrocellulose that is used in smokeless gun powder ?


    From what I have read, "whetted nitrocellulose" is just that, it was not considered explosive because it was wet with water or alcohol. This made it safe for transport and storage until the liquid was removed and it became an explosive again.

    This is how I understand it, I could easily be wrong though, happens all the time. [:)]

    I have not read about just why the ATF decided to reclassify wetted nitrocellulose, maybe they were bored and needed to create new regulations instead of enforcing existing regulations???[;)]

    Or if you put on a tin foil hat it is back door gun control.[:(!]
    Wetting nitrocellulose (with water or alcohol) is exactly how you make it non-explosive. It is non explosive when wet. It's exactly like how tannerite is non-explosive before you mix the parts.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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    He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,069 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Damn, now I am going to have to stop sharpening my nitrocellulose.[:(!][:(][V]
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    Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,372 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Things are really starting to make sense to me now (I know, I'm slow).

    All the ammo stockpiling and weapons buying the government was doing. All this was in the plans. And they knew that the only way that folks would retaliate initially was to cut off the supply of guns and ammo to federal agencies.

    Well, that is what I suggest every manufacturer do. Think they will get behind that?




    I suspect you are giving them all together too much credit for brains and foresight. Even a blind hog and all that, I think that better describes them.
    Possibly, but they feds aren't all looney tunes characters. There are charlatans at the upper echelons who do, in fact plan for the future.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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    GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 16,811 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
    quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by Grasshopper
    Barry The Obammama,,the one who let's loose criminals by the hundreds and backdoor banning ammo,, YEP YOU DEMOCRATS on this board should be proud of your mudslime pres and the yanker * wanting to follow the absolute dungpile up.
    Unless you're willing to admit the shortcomings of the staunch republican supporters, I think you'd best step down of your high horse.





    that was my jest.[:I]

    The only horse I have is a miniature pony[8)] and if you are a Demo, you have a * leading you now and a old, cheating nag to follow next time.


    i wouldnt go bragging



    http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=680754
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