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Congress revives 140-year-old rule that has federa

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  • mag00mag00 Member Posts: 4,719 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seems like they all should be fired. 140 years of not doing their jobs. Trump catch phrase is going to get a workout.
  • rambo rebelrambo rebel Member Posts: 4,028
    edited November -1
    shrinking government along with term limits is a pipe dream. and here is your proof. we now have the best chance we've had in a long time to do both and I will bet you a steak dinner that no action will be taken regarding either. one dept. may get axed but another will be created. there will be more fed. emp. in 4 years than we have now.
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My brother works DOD has his entire life, he has never had a real job. Has no clue about productivity.

    He complains about the people who work for him and the fact he can't fire them.

    My experience with Government employment was that their were three to five people for every one in the same process of for profit employment.
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,363 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Like this part:
    "they could undermine long-standing civil service protections, such as ensuring that federal employees with the same job title are paid equally regardless of performance."

    Maybe Walmart needs to come up with something similar? To bad they could NOT have a "performance bonus". First person who doesn't get one and someone else does,, they'll sue.
  • US Military GuyUS Military Guy Member Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Will it apply to Congress?

    Something like "Present, but not voting" or "Not Present" would be grounds for termination in the real world.
  • gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mogley98
    My brother works DOD has his entire life, he has never had a real job. Has no clue about productivity.

    He complains about the people who work for him and the fact he can't fire them.

    My experience with Government employment was that their were three to five people for every one in the same process of for profit employment.


    The extra ones were all in management. I'm not kidding that I once saw them send out four snoopervisors from the main office to check the tires on our postal vehicles. They each checked one tire of each vehicle. You would have had to see it to believe it.
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    While I don't have a problem with this, it's sad that it literally requires an act of Congress to get rid of someone.
  • andrewsw16andrewsw16 Member Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jim_lemay
    Decimate every Federal Government Department in 2017 and freeze hiring as well. Will that improve performance?
    If you think it takes an ungodly amount of time to process any application/paperwork with the feds now, just imagine how slow it will be if they get rid of more office staff. [:(]
  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
    quote:Originally posted by jim_lemay
    Decimate every Federal Government Department in 2017 and freeze hiring as well. Will that improve performance?
    If you think it takes an ungodly amount of time to process any application/paperwork with the feds now, just imagine how slow it will be if they get rid of more office staff. [:(]


    I think it takes so long now because they're all tripping over each other, trying not to do anything.
  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,108 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Federal government employment should consist only of the duties relative as stated in the US CONSTITUTION.
  • mlincolnmlincoln Member Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm a local government employee. I don't work for the federal government. I have seen, though, some things that really help me understand why things are so f'ed up.

    A lot of supervisors don't want to supervise. Training employees, guiding work, asking for certain things and then checking up on them to make sure they're done, all of that takes a lot of time. If you've got a good employee who is doing good work, he or she might get a bit pissed off because the boss is all over him or her for no reason. And if you hire well, the work is going to get done. It won't always get done perfectly, but it will get done, and if it gets done to an acceptable standard without the supervisor doing any work, well what incentive is there for the supervisor to do any work?

    Because a lot of supervisors don't supervise, every employee gets the same one-size-fits-all good evaluation. I have literally gotten evaluations that have other employees names in them and the wrong gender pronouns.

    So employees get these everything is great evaluations, and when a supervisor comes along who sees a genuine problem and actually says, hey, we need to can this person, well the past 10 years she's gotten great evaluations so how the heck are you going to can her? For 10 years she's done a great job and now she sucks? Well if the supervisor had been honest those previous years, had done a real evaluation, things would be different.

    Things were bad in the past. Anybody who doesn't acknowledge that a lot of the government was as f'ed up as the rest of America in terms of how it treated minorities and women workers is a person who is willingly blind. Because of this, lots and lots and lots of rules were put in place to protect workers. A bad worker can hide behind these rules. We can all get mad about that, but before you do you need to acknowledge why those rules are there in the first place. Go back to that boss telling some woman who wanted a promotion that first she'd need to suck his dick, or the talented black guy who never goes anywhere despite his hard work.

    It happens to white guys too. My buddy's dad worked for the FBI. He was very high up, and was as at a graduation for new FBI agents. This is when J. Edgar was the director, and before graduation all the agents-to-be were lined up all spit and polish for Hoover to walk down the line and look them over. Hoover says a few words to them, and then he walks over to my buddy's dad and says, "You got two truck drivers in this class. They're not agent material. Get rid of them." And he walks off.

    My buddy's father and the other guy had no idea who Hoover meant or what anybody had done that was wrong. Nobody in the class was a truck driver. The entire class had stood there silently while Hoover walked down the row. But Hoover had said so, so they picked out two guys at random, guys who had worked just as hard as anybody else and had sweated through all the incredible hard work to become FBI agents, and my buddy's dad canned them on the spot. No explanation, no reason. They were walked out of the building an hour before the ceremony that would make them agents.

    Another buddy worked for the DOJ for years. He was a computer guy. His boss came by several times and said to him, "Hey, I'm building a lake house. Why don't you come on out and we can hang out. Wear grubby clothes." So my buddy goes out early Saturday morning and spends all day Saturday and Sunday hanging drywall and painting and doing trim work. Three straight weekends, 10 hours a day, until he finally faked a back injury so he could get out of it. Years later the guy actually got investigated and my friend was interviewed and asked about the work. No, he explained, he didn't want to do it, but the guy was his boss and so what could he say? For a bunch of things they made the guy retire early, but he was notorious for using his employees as free labor.

    I do not know what the answer is. I do know that I get very upset when I see people slacking off at work, and that most people don't. Most people work hard the whole day. I also have worked a lot of jobs in the private sector, and I can tell you that if you think everybody in the private sector is working hard 100% of the time, you're way off base.
  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is no way government workers should be unionized. 140 years ago there were some guilds for masons and carpenters so they could put food on the table...

    What has happend today with wage and benefit packages for many gov workers is way out of touch with the private sector. It is unfair to taxpayers.
    "What is truth?'
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,190 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by rambo rebel
    shrinking government along with term limits is a pipe dream. and here is your proof. we now have the best chance we've had in a long time to do both and I will bet you a steak dinner that no action will be taken regarding either. one dept. may get axed but another will be created. there will be more fed. emp. in 4 years than we have now.
    Yep, no way would I take your bet. You're spot on.
  • mmppresmmppres Member Posts: 3,184 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    lets hope it works
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,363 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by rambo rebel
    shrinking government along with term limits is a pipe dream. and here is your proof. we now have the best chance we've had in a long time to do both and I will bet you a steak dinner that no action will be taken regarding either. one dept. may get axed but another will be created. there will be more fed. emp. in 4 years than we have now.


    There is a National chain. Red Lobster,, how about a bet on them?
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