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  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    Good. This is why I have never owned a cellphone. It's been a license for Big Bro to snoop and track you. It's 21st century slave chains you have to buy and pay for yourself.


    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-may-overturn-decades-precedent-cellphone-privacy-case-141111449.html
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    Man talking on cell phone killed by train in San Leandro


    (12-05) 17:02 PST SAN LEANDRO - A pedestrian apparently absorbed in a cell phone call was struck and killed by an Amtrak train in San Leandro today after he walked around a lowered crossing gate and onto the tracks, authorities said.

    The victim, a man who was not immediately identified, was struck at 12:30 p.m. by a northbound Capitol Corridor train at the Alvarado Street crossing, about 8 miles south of the Oakland station, Amtrak spokeswoman Vernae Graham said.

    None of the 20 passengers or crew aboard the train was injured. That train and two others were delayed and another Capitol Corridor train was cancelled, Graham said.

    Crew members aboard the Sacramento-bound train told authorities they saw the victim talking on the cell phone before he was struck, Graham said. The warning lights and gates at the crossing were functioning properly, she added.


    - I wonder if he had a Johnny Cash ring tone?


    Link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/06/BA3NTOVO7.DTL
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    Cops: Ohio Peeping Tom hid cell phone camera in his backside

    JUNE 23--Meet Jeffrey Barrier. The Ohio man allegedly used a cell phone camera to snap photos of a naked woman at a tanning salon Saturday and then hid the phone in his * in a bid to thwart police.

    Standing on a chair, Barrier, 41, took the photos at Cincinnati's Aloha Tanning, where a 35-year-old woman was "in the nude in a tanning room," according to a Hamilton County Municipal Court affidavit. When cops later confronted Barrier, "he kept denying any involvement of the incident" and claimed to not have a camera. However, a second search of the suspect turned up the camera. As noted in a Hamilton County Sheriff's Office report, Barrier "did hide evidence in his *."

    Barrier was charged with disorderly conduct for taking the photos and obstructing official business for hampering a police investigation.

    Barrier, due in court today, is free on $1500 bond.


    -- Maybe he was just making sure he was evenly tanned...


    LINK: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0623081phone1.html
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 14,727 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have bought and used cell phones since bag phones.

    The convenience of being able to call most anywhere I am outweighs any tinfoil hat concerns of what the government is data collecting.

    And the information the government collected in the Supreme Court case is meta data only. Nothing from inside the phone.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member Posts: 62,913 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wow and here all this time I thought it was because you couldn't afford one.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    Do you actually believe what you typed here?[:o)]

    quote:Originally posted by Alpine


    And the information the government collected in the Supreme Court case is meta data only. Nothing from inside the phone.
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 22,938 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    I have bought and used cell phones since bag phones.

    The convenience of being able to call most anywhere I am outweighs any tinfoil hat concerns of what the government is data collecting.

    And the information the government collected in the Supreme Court case is meta data only. Nothing from inside the phone.


    This is a tough one, but has a Constitutional answer. The concept as I understand it, is whether a government entity can either store or get location information en-masse for a number of locations to see if a single number shows up near all of them without a warrant.

    I do not see where anyone is arguing against the information being made available if a proper warrant is issued. What is bothersome is that absent the need for a warrant, those government entities can search the database absent cause and on any whim.

    Get a warrant. It's the right thing to do.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,968
    edited November -1
    Uncle gathers info on everything. They dont do anything with it unless you are a threat...
    "What is truth?'
  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
    It could easily be argued that "Plain Sight" concept obviates any "privacy" concerns.

    It has long been My Observation that Cell Phones: are, for a Woman, a Sceptre; and for a Man, Cell Phones are nothing less than a LEASH!
  • riflemikeriflemike Member Posts: 10,599
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking

    Good. This is why I have never owned a cellphone. It's been a license for Big Bro to snoop and track you. It's 21st century slave chains you have to buy and pay for yourself.


    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-may-overturn-decades-precedent-cellphone-privacy-case-141111449.html


    your choice....to do or not to do...i personally dont give a sheet .........pretty much about anything but family....you aint family therefore, i dont care, but............carry on

    they can track anything i do..

    im doing nothing wrong......too old and tired to care
  • allen griggsallen griggs Member Posts: 34,031 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Damn. I thought I was a Luddite with my flip phone.
    Yet, you have never owned a cell phone! You are one in a million.

    Even though I do have a cell phone, I have never sent a text and don't know how to do it.
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 14,727 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    I have bought and used cell phones since bag phones.

    The convenience of being able to call most anywhere I am outweighs any tinfoil hat concerns of what the government is data collecting.

    And the information the government collected in the Supreme Court case is meta data only. Nothing from inside the phone.


    This is a tough one, but has a Constitutional answer. The concept as I understand it, is whether a government entity can either store or get location information en-masse for a number of locations to see if a single number shows up near all of them without a warrant.

    I do not see where anyone is arguing against the information being made available if a proper warrant is issued. What is bothersome is that absent the need for a warrant, those government entities can search the database absent cause and on any whim.

    Get a warrant. It's the right thing to do.




    The historical answer is that if the information could be gathered by another means (say traffic cameras or security cameras) then a warrant is not needed: Eventual Discovery.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 22,938 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine


    The historical answer is that if the information could be gathered by another means (say traffic cameras or security cameras) then a warrant is not needed: Eventual Discovery.



    Is seems to be a little more complex than that, Alpine. The term is 'inevitable discover', not eventual discovery, and the finding was that evidence obtained absent a warrant is admissible if it can be argued that it would inevitably be found during a normal police investigation.

    The reason this is in court I would guess, is to determine whether this type of data mining should be considered normal and therefore need not require a warrant.

    I am not convinced that we are best served by writing such a large blank check. It will be interesting to see how the court aligns on this one.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,311 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think the clowns who have committed murder have been known to post some pretty radical stuff or made calls searched internet etc. Government couldn't stop them I doubt they have time to worry about who is buying an old Colt on GB

    quote:Originally posted by wpageabc
    Uncle gathers info on everything. They dont do anything with it unless you are a threat...
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by riflemike
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking

    Good. This is why I have never owned a cellphone. It's been a license for Big Bro to snoop and track you. It's 21st century slave chains you have to buy and pay for yourself.


    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court-may-overturn-decades-precedent-cellphone-privacy-case-141111449.html


    your choice....to do or not to do...i personally dont give a sheet .........pretty much about anything but family....you aint family therefore, i dont care, but............carry on

    they can track anything i do..

    im doing nothing wrong......too old and tired to care


    Your family is actually what this is about. You may be to old and tired to care, but your descendants aren't. That which can be abused will eventually be so. Never give the government what it should not be empowered to have.
  • riflemikeriflemike Member Posts: 10,599
    edited November -1
    i dont live in fear of the government.........

    they can track me and you and we cant do anything about it....

    short of a revolution

    wont happen in my lifetime..maybe yours
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by riflemike
    i dont live in fear of the government.........

    they can track me and you and we cant do anything about it....

    short of a revolution

    wont happen in my lifetime..maybe yours


    They can't track me!
    [8D]
  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cracks me up how so many people think that they are important enough for "Big Brother" to want to track them.
    "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"
  • skicatskicat Member Posts: 14,431
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    quote:Originally posted by riflemike
    i dont live in fear of the government.........

    they can track me and you and we cant do anything about it....

    short of a revolution

    wont happen in my lifetime..maybe yours


    They can't track me!
    [8D]


    Do you use credit cards?
  • wiplashwiplash Member Posts: 7,537
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    quote:Originally posted by riflemike
    i dont live in fear of the government.........

    they can track me and you and we cant do anything about it....

    short of a revolution

    wont happen in my lifetime..maybe yours


    They can't track me!
    [8D]


    Are you really going to eat that? And, your low on toilet paper.
    There is no such thing as Liberal Men, only Liberal Women with Penises.'
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,254 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    quote:Originally posted by riflemike
    i dont live in fear of the government.........

    they can track me and you and we cant do anything about it....

    short of a revolution

    wont happen in my lifetime..maybe yours


    They can't track me!
    [8D]
    yes they can.....[:o)]
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,254 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am dependent on the internet as well as smart phones,thats how I conduct my business...my customers demand it...I have been using wireless phones since the '70's...the Govt. has many spies in the skies...ask some commercial fishermen...
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by skicat
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    quote:Originally posted by riflemike
    i dont live in fear of the government.........

    they can track me and you and we cant do anything about it....

    short of a revolution

    wont happen in my lifetime..maybe yours


    They can't track me!
    [8D]


    Do you use credit cards?


    Debit only and that to get cash from the bank with. I pay cash for everything, even utilities.
  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,254 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    quote:Originally posted by skicat
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    quote:Originally posted by riflemike
    i dont live in fear of the government.........

    they can track me and you and we cant do anything about it....

    short of a revolution

    wont happen in my lifetime..maybe yours


    They can't track me!
    [8D]


    Do you use credit cards?


    Debit only and that to get cash from the bank with. I pay cash for everything, even utilities.
    I use no debit cards.....easy to steal money from your account...
  • riflemikeriflemike Member Posts: 10,599
    edited November -1
    im hiding nothing, i have the newest iphone 8 plus..didnt need it but wife wanted us to upgrade

    i have bad mouthed the gubment,, talked what a POS obama was. HOW MUCH I LOVE TRUMP and other topics to people on my phone, if they want to listen/track me

    66 y/o and one traffic ticket in that time

    dont think im on the radar, may be but they are wasting their time

    talked about my guns...their guns and some you guys talk about

    they may get an earful but i would never think of threatening anyone or thing

    not on my phone anyway
  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 38,925
    edited November -1
    i can still take the battery out of my dumb phone....se me now???
  • riflemikeriflemike Member Posts: 10,599
    edited November -1
    p3skyking on the world wide web and GBF and he cant be tracked

    thats funnier than any of savage jokes and he has some hilarious ones


    LMFAO
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by riflemike
    p3skyking on the world wide web and GBF and he cant be tracked

    thats funnier than any of savage jokes and he has some hilarious ones


    LMFAO


    [:)]
    Laugh all you want. You're the slave that pays for his own chains.
  • serfserf Member Posts: 8,877 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wpageabc
    Uncle gathers info on everything. They dont do anything with it unless you are a threat...


    This is true but the threat factor is the big question! Soon The bitcoin users are going to find out just like those Swiss bank accounts holders did!

    So the threat factor could change you into a big suspect that I doubt you will be treated innocence until proven guilty, the facts stored on you will be enough to sentence you without a trial

    I bet law enforcement would agree in time soon enough! Just look at secret courts to find your answer.

    serf

    https://klasing-associates.com/bitcoin-bitcoin-wallet-reportable-purposes-fbar-fatca/

    Recent enforcement actions taken by the IRS may suggest the possibility that the IRS is reconsidering its approach to Bitcoin and foreign account informational disclosures. In November 2016, the IRS filed a John Doe summons seeking information relating to U.S. account holders who had Coinbase Bitcoin transactions between 2013 and 2015. The IRS?s summons states that it is ?responsible for monitoring ways in which United States taxpayers evade their United States tax obligations.? In the subsequent paragraph, the IRS suggests that use of digital currencies makes the user ?subject to fewer third-party reporting requirements.? This language would seem to suggest that at least some users have adopted virtual currency because they believe they can avoid reporting requirements potentially including FBAR and FATCA.
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 53,466
    edited November -1
    The old Saying If you do nothing wrong why worry. That and Have you tried to find a pay phone Lately.
  • BrookwoodBrookwood Member, Moderator Posts: 10,741 ******
    edited November -1
    I will start worrying when they can read my thoughts![:0]
  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,519 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I decide to commit a crime I'm not stupid enough to have a cell phone with me so they can check my location all they want.
  • djh860djh860 Member Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    keep your phone off until you need to use it. No one can track you then.
  • serfserf Member Posts: 8,877 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by djh860
    keep your phone off until you need to use it. No one can track you then.



    I think they can ping it even if it's off.

    http://techpp.com/2013/08/22/track-phone-turned-off/

    Technically speaking, an agency like NSA can tweak the firmware of your handsets in order to track them even when they are switched off. Considering how massive the data collection has been by NSA since 9/11 attacks, it would be scary to imagine thousands and millions of people being tracked using the above technique. Till now, the leaks have revealed that NSA maintains a huge database of phone calls made by millions of Americans and outsiders, and they do not include location data. But the rate at which the new leaks are emerging, it should keep the privacy freaks on tenterhooks.
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The IRS targeted groups like the Tea Party due to political reasons. The next step is to target individual; citizens for the same or even lesser reasons. History is full of the price for apathy.
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 25,750
    edited November -1
    It appears President Trump made an excellent choice with Justice Gorsuch.
    From his questions yesterday in Carpenter v. United States, he's resurrecting the spirit of Justice Scalia.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/11/in_carpenter_v_united_states_neil_gorsuch_showed_his_independent_streak.html
  • mjrfd99mjrfd99 Member Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Burner phones. Pay cash.
    Good for all kinds of mischief. [;)]
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    It appears President Trump made an excellent choice with Justice Gorsuch.
    From his questions yesterday in Carpenter v. United States, he's resurrecting the spirit of Justice Scalia.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/11/in_carpenter_v_united_states_neil_gorsuch_showed_his_independent_streak.html


    Thanks for the link, it was informative.
  • droptopdroptop Member Posts: 8,925
    edited November -1
    GPS Tracking should be a major concern. Not illegal but personally think it sucks. Nothing good can come from GPS tracking, unless of course it's something you want and pay for, like knowing where you wife is at all times, or you lost a dog.

    Turn off the GPS on my tablets and rarely use my cellphone overseas.
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