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LEOs your opinion please

BOBBYWINSBOBBYWINS Member Posts: 7,810
edited February 2004 in General Discussion
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http://www.taylordailypress.net/articles/2004/02/12/news/opinion/news01.txt

Excesssive force?

Thanks,
BW

BTW,this officer is my future son-in-law

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  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am very leery of a newspaper report to give all facts of an incident. However if proper police procedure was followed: The mother signed a stolen vehicle report, then the stop was legal. If the stop is legal then the son is under arrest, and any and all force necessary (using the escalating force principle)to complete the arrest is proper. Extraction of a person in a car can be done by one person, better if done by two.

    Officer should fight the action against him. He would win.
    Heads of police departments give in to public pressure and take action when they know it will be overthrown. They are politicions, not cops anymore.
    I recieve a PORAC magazine every month, there are several stories in each issue where police and sheriffs are winning actions against their departments for violating laws and police officer bill of rights.


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  • 96harley96harley Member Posts: 3,992 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Excessive force? Could have been. I read the reporter's account. In my experience three people at the scene of an accident can give three different versions of what happened and they are privy to have seen it.

    Situations like the article you posted are the same but those in judgement can armchair quarterback being blessed with a lot of time to roll it around in their brain pot. Something the officer didn't have the opportunity to do.

    Honestly I would have peppered the guy but I'm armchair quarter backing. There are police who overstep their bounds. They need to be pulled back into line by whatever means necessary. Execessive force is alive and well in departments. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder, the victim of the perps act, or relatives of the victim of the perp.

    Example; Someone's child is harmed by a pervert. Pervert gets caught. Police drag pervert out of hiding with a baton locked on his neck.
    Pervert's mother yells "excessive force". Victim's mother says, "give me a gun."

    I'm not taking up for bad cops either. Most of you know from previous post that I side with the public on such issues.

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  • Contender ManContender Man Member Posts: 2,110 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My day was before the "sensitivity" training, etc., etc., and even in that day ... the actions could have been a "tad bit" excessive.

    No one but the 2 people involved know what was said to who, etc., but when the officer (your future son-in-law) saw what the situation was he should have called for backup. Matter of fact if it was a high speed chase I suprised that other officers were not there. Anyway, back to the point.

    Block the vehicle or get the keys (if he was tusslin with the fella he had a good chance to snag the keys) then back off until assistance arrives. When assistance is there ... move to extracate the fella, and if that don't work they now have this stuff called pepper spray, give him the option of coming out on his own or getting hosed down.

    I don't know how large of a community Taylor is and therefore the size of the force, but from the article there is a Chief so there must be at least a couple indians ... and I would think an on-going training program.

    Dash board cameras are fine, especially in this day and time when you need every scrap you can to get a conviction. However, if it is a small department and money is tight ... if I were the "Chief" I would spend the money on training rather than devices that merely make a record of the effects of the lack of training.

    In a couple posts here I have commented on my concerns over the apparent training level of officers along with the pre-employment and on going screeing. Seems to be a growing number of young officers that have limited training and Rambo/Ninja attitudes, put the two together with other factors and you've got problems just waiting to happen.

    Is your son-in-law a Rambo or Ninja type, probably not, just a young fella that maybe shoud have had better training, and in the situation at hand become frustrated, etc.

    Oh well, that's my thoughts ... dated as they may be.


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