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This is how Laws are passed without the public knowledge. Think it cant happen,, ????? Read and wonder whats next, Wake up tomorrow and Read the front Page or hear it on TV, "NEW LAW BANNING GUNS NOW IN EFFECT"
Silencing the report
MN Police to get Silencers!
By: Karl B. Johnson
Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder
Originally posted 12/3/2003
Unknown to most citizens, a new state law lets police use silencers
This past June 30, I happened to be reading the local daily newspaper. As I scanned the articles, I noticed a line that struck me as odd. It read, "Police will be able to use gun silencers for high risk entry." This was a blurb informing the public of the new laws that had been enacted by the Minnesota Legislature.
In military and police talk, the sound of a firearm discharging is referred to as a report. So I found it odd that the moment that law enforcement should be the most accountable to its citizens - during the use of deadly force and the possibility of taking a human life - could now be obscured by the passage of this law.
The bill was listed as S.F. (Senate File) 945. Republican Senators David L. Knutson, Burnsville; Paul E. Koering, Fort Ripley; Pat Pariseau, Farmington; and Democratic Senator Jim Vickerman of Tracey sponsored the bill.
I was really interested in the story behind this type of law, so I sent each of them an email asking them what reason was given for such a bill. I asked why such a bill was introduced, how the bill would be beneficial to the citizens of Minnesota, and inquired about the shared philosophy of the authors. I also asked each senator how their constituents felt about the law.
I waited for about 10 days and finally followed up the email with letters. I received a phone call from Senator Paul Koering. Koering was quite candid and said that State Representative Dale Walz, from Baxter, Minnesota, who happens to be a law enforcement official, approached him and asked if Koering would sponsor the bill. The bill was not what is called a "stand alone bill". That is, it was attached to another bill and there was never any public debate on it from the full Senate and full House.
I explained to Koering that my intention was not to confront law enforcement, but that law enforcement needed to be held accountable. I asked Koering if he was aware of what the discharge of a firearm was called by military and police personnel. He was silent. I responded, "It is called a report, and in essence, what this bill does is to silence the report of accountability that police officers have to the communities in which they are entrusted to enforce laws."
"I dont care how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides"
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows.
Silencing the report
MN Police to get Silencers!
By: Karl B. Johnson
Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder
Originally posted 12/3/2003
Unknown to most citizens, a new state law lets police use silencers
This past June 30, I happened to be reading the local daily newspaper. As I scanned the articles, I noticed a line that struck me as odd. It read, "Police will be able to use gun silencers for high risk entry." This was a blurb informing the public of the new laws that had been enacted by the Minnesota Legislature.
In military and police talk, the sound of a firearm discharging is referred to as a report. So I found it odd that the moment that law enforcement should be the most accountable to its citizens - during the use of deadly force and the possibility of taking a human life - could now be obscured by the passage of this law.
The bill was listed as S.F. (Senate File) 945. Republican Senators David L. Knutson, Burnsville; Paul E. Koering, Fort Ripley; Pat Pariseau, Farmington; and Democratic Senator Jim Vickerman of Tracey sponsored the bill.
I was really interested in the story behind this type of law, so I sent each of them an email asking them what reason was given for such a bill. I asked why such a bill was introduced, how the bill would be beneficial to the citizens of Minnesota, and inquired about the shared philosophy of the authors. I also asked each senator how their constituents felt about the law.
I waited for about 10 days and finally followed up the email with letters. I received a phone call from Senator Paul Koering. Koering was quite candid and said that State Representative Dale Walz, from Baxter, Minnesota, who happens to be a law enforcement official, approached him and asked if Koering would sponsor the bill. The bill was not what is called a "stand alone bill". That is, it was attached to another bill and there was never any public debate on it from the full Senate and full House.
I explained to Koering that my intention was not to confront law enforcement, but that law enforcement needed to be held accountable. I asked Koering if he was aware of what the discharge of a firearm was called by military and police personnel. He was silent. I responded, "It is called a report, and in essence, what this bill does is to silence the report of accountability that police officers have to the communities in which they are entrusted to enforce laws."
"I dont care how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides"
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows.
Comments
Never thought of them using quiet weapons after entry.
God Bless America and...
NEVER Forget WACO
NEVER, EVER Forget 911
MY point being if they can do one law that way whats next..
And NO I dont beleive that POLICE should be AFFORDED the Use of Silencers, but thats another ISSUE that I aint gonna discuss today..
"I dont care how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides"
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows.
"I dont care how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides"
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows.
One is to quieten them to aid communication between members and assist in hearing potential threats. The bad guy's firearm will still make noise, but the idea is that overall muzzle blasts will be less than half.
Suppressor use also helps to differentiate between hostile and "friendly" gunfire. Besides identifying the source it cuts down the confusion of an AD by a member being mistaken for hostile fire.
Another consideration is the decreased muzzle blast in hazardous material environments. These are sometimes encountered in drug labs or barricaded person situations where the bad guy has spread some sort of flammable material, such as gasoline.
As for suppressors allowing LEO's to shoot first and no one outside hearing their gunfire, many team's members are equipped with body mikes that continuously transmit during entries. These record every sound made, both to prevent false claims and critique the officers performance for training purposes.
Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
"Right is Right, even is everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it"
What you should care about is the manner in which this law went through,
No need to justify why the law, or the need of the law, but again, because a couple people thought it benificial, they skirted it through , and no one, including the legislators were included in the decision to make it law or not,, Thats frightning, to think, because Joe Scmuck decides he dont like your guns, slide a bill through make it law without a vote>>>>
"I dont care how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides"
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows.
The "pols" have had it their way too long, voters need to start culling. The mechanisims are there to do it, but the majority of the people don't want to even think about the effort to get things rolling.
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!