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Presidential Statement on Gay Marriages
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President Bush announces he supports a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.
Bush supports same-sex marriage ban amendment
President has called same-sex marriage troubling
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 Posted: 10:55 AM EST (1555 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush announced Tuesday he supports a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, saying the nation must "prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever."
As recently as last week, Bush repeated his belief that marriage should be restricted to heterosexual couples. (Full story)
He added that he was "troubled" by legal decisions in Massachusetts that could clear the way for same-sex marriage -- and the decision by San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom this month to defy state law and order the county clerk to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
Thousands of couples have taken advantage. (California high court may get same-sex marriage)
Last week, Bush declined to say whether he is any closer to backing a constitutional ban on such vows.
"I have watched carefully what's happening in San Francisco, where licenses were being issued, even though the law states otherwise," Bush said. "I have consistently stated that I'll support law to protect marriage between a man and a woman. Obviously these events are influencing my decision."
"I am watching very carefully, but I am troubled by what I've seen," Bush said.
In his State of the Union speech last month, Bush has addressed same-sex marriage, saying, "our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage."
He stopped short of endorsing a constitutional amendment that would ban marriages for gay and lesbian couples, as social conservative groups had hoped.
Instead, Bush said, "if judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process."
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Bush supports same-sex marriage ban amendment
President has called same-sex marriage troubling
Tuesday, February 24, 2004 Posted: 10:55 AM EST (1555 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush announced Tuesday he supports a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, saying the nation must "prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever."
As recently as last week, Bush repeated his belief that marriage should be restricted to heterosexual couples. (Full story)
He added that he was "troubled" by legal decisions in Massachusetts that could clear the way for same-sex marriage -- and the decision by San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom this month to defy state law and order the county clerk to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
Thousands of couples have taken advantage. (California high court may get same-sex marriage)
Last week, Bush declined to say whether he is any closer to backing a constitutional ban on such vows.
"I have watched carefully what's happening in San Francisco, where licenses were being issued, even though the law states otherwise," Bush said. "I have consistently stated that I'll support law to protect marriage between a man and a woman. Obviously these events are influencing my decision."
"I am watching very carefully, but I am troubled by what I've seen," Bush said.
In his State of the Union speech last month, Bush has addressed same-sex marriage, saying, "our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage."
He stopped short of endorsing a constitutional amendment that would ban marriages for gay and lesbian couples, as social conservative groups had hoped.
Instead, Bush said, "if judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process."
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President Bush announces he supports a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.....
.....He stopped short of endorsing a constitutional amendment that would ban marriages for gay and lesbian couples, as social conservative groups had hoped.
Instead, Bush said, "if judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process."
I am confused. Did he "announce that he supports a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage, or did he "stop short of endorsing a constitutional amendment that would ban same sex marriages"? Which one is it??
I found the "if judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process." most interesting. I did not see the speech in its entirety, so I have to ask is he saying that the "constitutional process" is a constitutional convention, or is he saying something else. Because the existing constitution has a "constitutional process" that would solve the problem of "judges insisting on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people". It is right there in article 3 section 2, and what it says is that congress can prohibit the courts from getting in the business of marriage, be it homosexual marriage, or normal marriage. We do not need a new amendment, the constitution is fine the way it is. THe problem is that the people(congress), refuses to exercise the authority that the constitution gives it. Ya dont like gay marriages, you dont like the idea that a gay mariage performed in one state would be forced upon you in another state? Tell your congressman to exercise his authority and prohibit the courts from hearing such cases. The solution to this problem is already in the constitution-another amendment is not only unecessary, but dangerous.
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I don't see that it is going to help anyone by making a ban on gay marriages.
Get the job done and come home safe guys.
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My question is does everyone think that just by banning their marriages that they will stop being gay?
I don't see that it is going to help anyone by making a ban on gay marriages.
That is completely irrelevant
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
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"....they are thumbing their noses at the law to do what they feel is protected by the constituion."
Yep. And if, oh, I dunno, say some gun owners tried the same trick, how long do you think it'd be before the fire and brimstone would be poured down on their heads?
There's "Constitutional rights", and "Constitutional rights", if you know what I mean...
It would be interesting---and perhaps useful---to know how many gays support the Second Amendment and how many don't, then compare those figures or percentages to how many gun owners support gay rights, and how many don't.
You spit on MY rights, don't expect me to support YOURS.
Quid pro quo, anyone?
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quote:Originally posted by Smokeeater 38
My question is does everyone think that just by banning their marriages that they will stop being gay?
I don't see that it is going to help anyone by making a ban on gay marriages.
That is completely irrelevant
How is it "completely irrelevant"?
Why would anyone do something if it does not help at least one person?
What good would a ban do for anyone gay or straight?
I fail to see how a ban on gay marriage would help anyone. I think it is only a way for people to hurt someone or a group that they hate.
I would like to hear what good it would do.
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Regards,
I was listening to Rush this around noon today. A lady called in and made the point that most of the states/towns don't follow the constitution as it is, ie, they walk all over the 2nd Amendment. Will creating a amendment to the Constitution that defines marriage really do anything?
Bingo!!! It would be another part of the constitution that would be ignored. The constitution as it is today allows the people to decide these issues. Another amendment is not only unecessary, it is dangerous. I just assume the people decide the issue of marriage. If Vermont wants gay marriage? Fine. If Massachusettes wants gay marriage? FIne. And if the people of the other states DO NOT want gay marriage? Fine.
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Having never been married I don't have the feelings about marriage that many of you do. I can see why you would not like anything that cheapens something that you believe in. I am trying to imagine how I would feel if something that I was interested or involved with was facing a change similar as this. I would probably not like it and would fight it for all I was worth.
Having been friends for a few years now with 2 girls that are gay I have been around many of their other friends that are gay. I do not think of my friends as gay anymore, they are just my friends. I don't care for it when a gay couple, or straight couple for that matter, is all over each other in public or in front of me. This is something that I don't care to see.
I have also worked with and for gays in the past. I have not had any problems with them. They have paid me on time and have not hit on me.
I live in a smaller town but we have a private university here that I attended and then I worked for. There are many gays that are employed there as coaches so I have been around them a fair amount.
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"And why in the hell should the rest of the country be forced to accept something that only a small percentage of the people want. It is not wanted by the majority and we have a small group of people who feel that they should rub in our faces the things we do not like."
Why? Because we are SUPPOSED to be living in a Constitutional Republic, NOT a "democracy" where "the majority rules". Problem is, too many people believe the reverse---that in America, the "majority makes the rules". One of the most fundamental purposes of having a Constitution and a republic was, by intention of the Founding Fathers, to protect the people's rights AGAINST "rule by majority".
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"And why in the hell should the rest of the country be forced to accept something that only a small percentage of the people want. It is not wanted by the majority and we have a small group of people who feel that they should rub in our faces the things we do not like."
Why? Because we are SUPPOSED to be living in a Constitutional Republic, NOT a "democracy" where "the majority rules". Problem is, too many people believe the reverse---that in America, the "majority makes the rules". One of the most fundamental purposes of having a Constitution and a republic was, by intention of the Founding Fathers, to protect the people's rights AGAINST "rule by majority".
Not really, but it sounds good.
"THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF OUR CONSTITUTION ENJOINS THAT THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY SHALL PREVAIL."
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I could absolutely care less what anyone does in thier own bedrooms. If you want to have a sexual relationship with a member of the same sex, go for it. Just don't expect me to applaud or defend you. In fact, don't expect me to even care, because I really don't give a d#mn.
But why call it marriage? Marriage is not an "entitlement" that everybody deserves. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. It is the core foundation of our society and all of civilization for thousands of years. Don't change a clear, black and white definition to suite your own agenda. A relationship between a man and a woman cannot be classified as "homosexual" any more than a gay couple can be classified as "married." You want your "partnerships" or "civil unions", fine - but by definition a marriage is a promise between a man and a woman. Pick up a Websters dictionary.
As far as the Kalifornia gays using the Constitution to defend thier lawless actions, I wonder how the media would feel if all us gun owners started carrying 24-7, the government's "permission" be damned? How about if we started converting semi's to full-auto? What about installing a silencer on your post-AWB AK? You know what would happen . . the constitution wouldn't apply to us, even though our justification for ANY of the above actions is MUCH, MUCH more clearly valid than that of the gays running out to the courthouse in Kalifornia. Heck, our "right" IS stated in black and white - despite the flowery legalize the courts try to spin when discussing the Second.
Constitutional right for Ted to marry Bob . . . give me a break.
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We white, middle-class, heterosexuals have done a fair enough job screwing that one up.
What does white and middle class have to do with the trivilization (sp?) of marriage??
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the term gay-marriage. Stop now go directly
to your dictionary and look up marriage.
It will not refer to two dogs or two onageres
hooking up.
I really hate to get into political posts, I rarely read 'em, so I don't know why I checked here.
What is the big deal about marriage then.....you can always get a divorce.
I don't mean to get anyone MAD. I am just tired of it being the topic of the day (not necesarilly here but on the TV and the radio).
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