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political correctness wins again

shootuadealshootuadeal Member Posts: 5,287 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
look out fighting irish, florida seminoles and other offending names. the university of north dakota retired their "fighting sioux" nickname today. the natives complained it was offensive to them. heres a quote from the article:

Ron His Horse Is Thunder, the chairman of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe and a fervent opponent of the nickname and logo, cheered the board's decision.

"It's not an easy step," His Horse Is Thunder said. "And it is full of controversy. But I think every great step in this country was filled with controversy ... The civil rights movements in the '60s didn't happen with a whimper."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520248,00.html



wow, does everyone else feel the love? now for a list of mascots that i find offensive, indians, braves, vikings, mustangs, midgets, patriots(i here they are on the homeland securities list of terrorists), fighting irish, saints, demons, etc.

is it possible to please everyone nowdays. UND has been offering free education for a handful of native americans every year for many years now, i hope just for spite they put a stop to that program. the college gets a large amount of money from the englestad estate and i beleive when the arena was built bearing his name one of the stipulations was they could never change the name, be interesting to see if they have to rip all the fighting sioux lettering out of the arena too.

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  • machine gun moranmachine gun moran Member Posts: 5,198
    edited November -1
    And so what did His Horsebababooey is Thunder propose they change the name to?
  • dreherdreher Member Posts: 8,862 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Almost 20 years ago, I taught on the Navajo Reservation in Arizona. Learned a little bit about Native Americans. I would be willing to call BS on "His Horse Is Thunder" as his real name. Just doesn't sound right to me. Inventented for the media is my guess.
  • dreherdreher Member Posts: 8,862 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Inventented as oppossed to invented. Maybe I have had to much vodka.
  • machine gun moranmachine gun moran Member Posts: 5,198
    edited November -1
    I lived in AZ for over 20 years myself, and as you know the Indians there are not of the 'professionally offended' type. The mountain in the middle of Phoenix is still 'Squaw Peak', and Indian School Road and Indian Bend Wash haven't been re-named 'Native-American' anythings. I used to contribute the the Phoenix Indian Center, which was named by the Indians themselves, who considered a name like 'Phoenix Native American Center' to be laughable. Every Indian I knew or worked with, and these included Pima, Maricopa, Apache, Navajo, Yavapai, and others, called themselves an Indian.

    Similarly, the Americans of Mexican ancestry down there call themselves Mexicans, not 'Hispanics' or 'Latinos'. Both Indians and Mexicans would call me either a White or an Anglo, and occasionally a Gringo, and I found all three acceptable. The only friction was between the Hopis and Navajos, an old tribal issue over the ownership of Third Mesa. That's because Liberals like 'His Horseturds is Thunder' are thrown over a cliff before they can start any friction, especially over something as stupid as language conventions.

    I've been gone for five years. I expect things will change, especially with so many Liberal Californians moving in. It seems that, having ruined California - and they did, it certainly wasn't the Indians - they want to escape, so they can do it again to Arizona. Before I left, they already had gotten Crazy Woman Wash renamed to something else because they said it was sexist. That's another historic place name gone forever. The politically correct world, the gray, brain-dead world of Orwell's writing, is coming.
  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    Ol' "HISHORSESFARTSARETHUNDEROUS" is gonna have to pay FULL TUITION for his kid "alcoholic-crack-head".[:(!]
  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Machine gun- laughing my butt off! Used to do some MSHA training around Page AZ, and you are absolutely right! Do some work once in a while now for Eastern Band Cherokee, and the concern is not what they are called, it's are the tribal run businesses at least breaking even, and keeping folks working.
  • jon ojon o Member Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm worried about the Chicago Bears![8D]
  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    Soon the gays are going the protest the Cleveland Browns because it is a dull color that obviously shows no respect for the creative flair of the gay community.

    (Hope I didn't just get this thread on the poof list.)
  • Rocky4windsRocky4winds Member Posts: 760 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Funny thing about it is that when they asked the Sioux tribe if they wanted it changed they said "NO" because they feel that the Sioux have always been fighters. It was actually the NCAA that required them to change it IIRC, not the local tribes. I don't ever recall seeing "His Horse Is Thunder's" name anywhere related to it either. The local activists here only want the entire Black Hills returned to them and couldn't care less about what a "white" University named their mascot.

    BTW it is entirely possible that "His Horse is Thunder" is his actual, legal name, though not necessarily a hereditary family name. I was surprised at some of the Sioux names I've come across.
  • 1fisher1fisher Member Posts: 1,012 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The University is now going to lose an incredible amount of funding from their alumni. I have many relatives in that area (some that work for UND) and they say that many of the alumni that give donations to the school have stated that they will not give any more if the Fighting Sioux name is changed.
    Several of the Sioux tribes have held votes in this issue, and the majority have supported the team name. I believe that the Standing Rock tribe mentioned is one of the tribes that has not allowed a vote, because the activist leaders were afraid that their members would also vote to approve the name.
    UND has one of the largest Native American studies programs in the US - but the activist crowd ignores that entirely.
  • guns-n-painthorsesguns-n-painthorses Member Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know, I talked to my Sioux freind "two dogs *-king" and he said the name "Fighting Sioux" didn't offend him either.[:D]


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  • The Ultimate InfidelThe Ultimate Infidel Member Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Jesus, they could name a team "Fighting White Boys who don't give a dam*n" and I wouldn't be offended in any way shape or form. [:D]
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It ain't just the Fighting Sioux. Eastern Nazarene College in Quincy, Massachusetts announced Wednesday that the Crusaders will henceforth and from now on be the Lions. The Christian Children's Fund is removing Christian from their name effective in July. Geraldo Rivera said this morning that the Catholic Church needs to have a bigger tent by dropping their opposition to abortion.

    It's everywhere! It's everywhere!
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Laundry-pro
    Jesus, they could name a team "Fighting White Boys who don't give a dam*n" and I wouldn't be offended in any way shape or form. [:D]

    That would pretty much kill any basketball and football hopes wouldn't it? [:D]
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
    I don't know, I talked to my Sioux freind "two dogs *-king" and he said the name "Fighting Sioux" didn't offend him either.[:D]


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    Well, I see this thread is going POOF.
  • shootuadealshootuadeal Member Posts: 5,287 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i live about an hour and a half away from UND and have been following this from the start, a couple of years ago this all started. ralph englestad was a casino owner out in vegas and made a pretty good living for himself and put up the "ralph englestad arena". there is a also i believe a trust that und gets a pretty good chunk of change and yes, i believe if they change the mascot they dont get the money. as far as talking about the indians down south, they sound like a whole different breed than the ones up here. the ones up here stay on their reservations and collect their casino and government money and rarely leave the reservations except when they go to the state pen or county jail. this is absolutely ridiculous that they have to change their name. i sincerely hope the first program lost due too lack of revenue is the one thats helps the "peaceful sioux" with the free tuition.
  • shootuadealshootuadeal Member Posts: 5,287 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by garanch
    quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
    I don't know, I talked to my Sioux freind "two dogs *-king" and he said the name "Fighting Sioux" didn't offend him either.[:D]


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    Well, I see this thread is going POOF.



    well i got a good laugh out of it while it lasted anyway.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    Yeah, I did have to grin at that one.
  • garanchgaranch Member Posts: 3,681
    edited November -1
    There is a Division II university nearby that was the "McMurry Indians". About 2 years ago the NCAA told them that they would have to change their mascot. Now they are just called "McMurry". They chose not to adopt a new mascot.

    What is crazy about this one is that no one locally complained about the "Indians". The NCAA just decided to make them change it on their own.
  • PTHEIMPTHEIM Member Posts: 3,374
    edited November -1
    That's interesting. I just heard on HLN news that the Washington Redskins get to keep their name via court decision.
    Courts said the natives waited too long to file a complaint.
  • JnRockwallJnRockwall Member Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    FSU and the Seminoles cut a deal several years back when there was talk about NCAA banning names teams that were based on race. The seminoles took several million $ in lump and in return backed the school and name saying it was living monument of their people.

    NCAA is worse than government...
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by PTHEIM
    That's interesting. I just heard on HLN news that the Washington Redskins get to keep their name via court decision.
    Courts said the natives waited too long to file a complaint.

    we have lots of native americans, and lots of indian names on rivers mountains, islands even cities, streets and schools. No one seems worried about it. But then we don't have mascot names like REDSKINS..that is the key racist title ever given to american indians...err native americans.
  • JnRockwallJnRockwall Member Posts: 16,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    People can call me anything they like. I don't have time to allow name calling to interfere with my daily routine of life. I could careless if people cuss at me, yell at me or call me names. It's nothing to get worked up over, far as I am concerned anyways.
  • swearengineswearengine Member Posts: 1,308 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
    I don't know, I talked to my Sioux freind "two dogs *-king" and he said the name "Fighting Sioux" didn't offend him either.[:D]


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    What I would like to know is why isn't the saxon pig in here complaining about the language and why isn't ecc in here changing the spelling?


    Ralph Englestad had an arena named for himself many years ago. Then shortly before he died he donated money to build two arenas with the stipulation that if the mascot and name were changed, the building would be a monument to University stupidity. The university would not be allowed to use the building and they would then have to find new funds to build a new arena.

    The University; as well as the general public; was aware of these stipulations when they agreed to accept the 104 million dollars for the arena plus an additional 20 million dollars for academic scholarships plus an additional 20 million dollars for general use. UND was very happy to accept these gifts.
  • AzhunterAzhunter Member Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The mountain in the middle of Phoenix is still 'Squaw Peak',
    [B)]




    No, I'm sorry to say , one of the first things napolitano did when she was elected governor was to illegally ram through a name change. It is now called Piestewa Peak after a Hopi female soldier who was killed in action when her convoy got lost and drove into an ambush.

    [:0]
  • Queen of SwordsQueen of Swords Member Posts: 14,355
    edited November -1
    You'll have that. Our local university, St. Bonaventure, was known as the "Brown Indians" since I was a kid. They even had a mascott in full Soux headress that ran around during games. Then the local Seneca complained. They wanted the team logo represented by a more authentic Seneca headress. Logo changed, mascot nixed. Then they objected to any representation whatsoever. Now, they are the "Bonnies."


    What the heck is a "Bonnie"?
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