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Judge Young's sentencing remarks. United States vs

Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
edited October 2004 in General Discussion
* Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried
to light it?

* Did you know his trial is over?

* Did you know he was sentenced?

* Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?

* Didn't think so?

*Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.

* Ruling by Judge William Young U.S. District Court.

* Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say.
His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also
admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of
Allah," defiantly stated "I think I ought not apologize for my actions," and
told the court "I am at war with your country."

* Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below, a stinging condemnation
of Reid in particular and terrorists in general.

* January 30, 2003 United States vs. Reid.

*Judge Young:

*Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you

*On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody
of the United States Attorney General.

*On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each
count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other. That's 80
years.

*On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the
80 years just imposed...The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a
fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million.

*The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution
and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to
American Airlines.

*The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.

*The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law
requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no
further.

*This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and
just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.

*Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist
co-conspirators, Mr. Reid.

*We are Americans. We have been through the fire before.

*There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost
respect.

*Here in this court, where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for
individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.

*You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist.

*You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that
reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature.

*Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does
it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not
negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign
documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to
justice.

*So war talk is way out of line in this court.

*You are a big fellow. But you are not that big.

*You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal
guilty of multiple attempted murders.

*In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were
taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where
the TV crews were, and he said you're no big deal.

*You're no big deal.

*What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able United
States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how
tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that
led you here to this courtroom today? I have listened respectfully to what you
have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of
unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of
doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you. But as I search
this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

*It seems to me you hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our
freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to
come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose.

*Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom. They carry it everywhere
from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that
you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see
that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.

*It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your
behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before
other judges.

*We are about it.

*Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our
own liberties.

*Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bare any burden; pay any
price, to preserve our freedoms.

*Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long
remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow it will be forgotten. But
this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all
across America, the American people will gather to see that justice, individual
justice, justice,not war, individual justice is in fact being done.

*The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come
into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged,
and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence
democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

*See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That
flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for
freedom. You know it always will.

*Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.

*So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets?

*We need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject.

Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say. Powerful
words that strike home.

God bless America




NRA ENdowment, CRPA Life, Past President NRA Members Council
Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem. Semper Fidelis
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Comments

  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Good GREAT stuff!

    topcat1.jpg Don't "F" with kitty!! unamerican.gif
  • beantolebeantole Member Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    WE need more judges like him. Maybe the defendant wil meet justice in jail, who knows?
  • gars320gars320 Member Posts: 471 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    They probably would have thrown me out of the court room because I couldn't stop applauding. That judge makes me proud that we have such men on the bench. Thank god for Judge Young.
    And no, you will never hear a hint of this in the media.
    REPORTERS! LIBERAL MAGGOTS, ALL OF THEM.

    Nil Illegitimus Carborundum
  • mpolansmpolans Member Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Wow. And this one is actually true, according to snopes.com

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/reid.asp
  • BullzeyeBullzeye Member Posts: 3,560
    edited November -1
    There's no way the media would ever allow that diatribe on the air.

    It praises the US and it's merits, instead of pissing on everything we stand for, and condemns terrorists as evil monsters instead of making excuses and blaming Republicans for their evil acts.

    It also goes against the standing policy of the media to only give airtime to anarcho-Socialist Ultra-Leftist judges who decide The Pledge of Allegance is illegal and late term abortion is every woman's sacred right.

    "Our finest tribute to our fallen dead would be to convince their sons that we were not Rambo and neither are they. -Gus Hasford
  • jnmiller75jnmiller75 Member Posts: 899 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Excellent read! Thanks for posting.

    Bullzeye hit it on the head why we didn't/won't hear this from the liberal news media.
  • Shootist3006Shootist3006 Member Posts: 4,171
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mpolans
    Wow. And this one is actually true, according to snopes.com

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/reid.asp


    Is that an indication that you don't normally believe what I post???[:(!]

    NRA ENdowment, CRPA Life, Past President NRA Members Council
    Quod principi placuit legis habet vigorem. Semper Fidelis
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  • HappyNanoqHappyNanoq Member Posts: 12,023
    edited November -1
    What you need is judges who talk less and do more buisness, bringing other terrorists to justice.

    Furthermore I resent people who speaks their own mind while doing official buisness, like this judge does.
    He is officially degrading a person in his closing speech - almost seems like he's on a steadfast cource in finding him guilty (eventhough he admitted guilt) and measuring the punishment with utmost pleasure while resenting the guy.

    [:(]

    Sad sad sad.. eventhough he is guilty, he shouldn't have to receive a speech like that.

    [V]

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    Don't do anything that I've allready done - That'd be just plain STOOOOOOPID.
  • James AyersJames Ayers Member Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [8D]Yo Bullzeye, what the hell is wrong with you,???Come to your sensens! and calm DOWN[:(][:(][xx(][xx(]

    On your mark-get set- go away!!
  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually I agree with Peter. It is up to the jury to pass judgement on that waste of life Richard Reid and not the judge who is only suppose to ensure he received a fair trial, was properly represented and then announce the sentence from the jury...that is all the man is enforced to do under the law while he sits on the bench. This would be like having the home plate umpire start high-fiving the members of the Red Sox after the last out in game four of the World Series. I'm sure Judge Young's comments will be well received and since he is a federal judge he is set for life in his position on the bench (save for impeachment) but when judges start to announce their personal opinions of those who appear before them seeking justice in open court we had better look out. No one much likes the fact that the Ninth Circut Court is packed full of liberals jurists who consider themseleves and their own biased opinions above the laws they are sworn to protect and enforce equally. Whatever the judge felt about that A-hole (who deserved every one of the 110 years in the slam he received) he should have kept it to himself.

    "Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
    Mark T. Christian
  • mpolansmpolans Member Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Shootist3006
    Originally posted by mpolans
    Wow. And this one is actually true, according to snopes.com

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/reid.asp


    Is that an indication that you don't normally believe what I post???[:(!]

    Now you in particular. It's just that I've seen hundreds of internet forwarded messages post on this board and the overwhelming majority of them are false.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HappyNanoq
    He is officially degrading a person in his closing speech

    This scumbag was degraded a long time before the judge got to him.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • ZERODINZERODIN Member Posts: 6,338
    edited November -1
    The judge was not out of line at all. The jury is merely the trier of fact, and the facts here consist of a finding of guilt. Sometimes the jury will play a part in deciding the sentence, but the judge is the interpreter of law. The jury tells the judge "Reid attempted to blow up a plane using a shoe bomb" and the judge decides which laws he violated. This judge was doing his job - he was impartial to facts but once the facts proved that Reid violated the law, the judge laid the law down and did it hard.
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