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meunkemeunke Member Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 2006 in General Discussion
OK, here's a topic I've been thinking about lately:

Would a 5 shot revolver in .410/45 Long Colt do well as a CCW piece?

Yes, yes, I know there are better weapons out there (Will all you Glockers and 1911'ers please sit down for a second?), but this is simply for the sake of arguement. And yes, I know that ANY weapon can serve in a pinch.

I'll wager that the 45LC ammo would work well, but would .410 "OOO" shot even be effective out of a 2 and 1/4" barrel?

Let's keep the remarks and debate on topic, though, shall we? I'm not interested in why you think (Insert favorite CCW gun here) is better.
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would think so! Havent tried it yet, although I want to get that new taurus. feels good and would let me keep the riot gun @ home (for snakes)
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  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It would work very well for defense But is it legal?
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  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    the thunder 5?
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  • zipperzapzipperzap Member Posts: 25,057
    edited November -1
    quote:MVP:
    It would work very well for defense But is it legal?

    Nope![:(]
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  • meunkemeunke Member Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually, no, here's what I was looking at that sparked the question:

    http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=4410TKR-2SS&category=Revolver
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There are a bunch of .410 handguns. why would they be illegal?
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  • William81William81 Member Posts: 25,474 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The barrel is too short....considered along the lines of a sawed off shotgun...
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  • tsavo303tsavo303 Member Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    if it has a stock on it
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  • meunkemeunke Member Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It is not considered to be a "sawed off shotgun."

    It is a 45LC revolver that can also shoot .410 shotshells.

    Just because you stick .38 snake shot into your S&W doesn't mean you transformed it into a "sawed off shotgun"
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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    The legality of the weapons depends entirely upon the state you're in. If you have the misfortune of living in California, then yes, such a .45 Colt/.410 is considered a short barreled shotgun. Otherwise, chances are there are no such restrictions since the gun has both a rifled barrel and no shoulder stock, thereby technically avoiding classification as a shotgun, which is typically defined as having a smooth bore and a shoulder stock.

    As far defense goes, I like the .45 Colt. It's a good round. And I don't think anyone is ever happy being hit with buckshot, no matter the gauge of the shell.[:D]
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
    The legality of the weapons depends entirely upon the state you're in. If you have the misfortune of living in California, then yes, such a .45 Colt/.410 is considered a short barreled shotgun. Otherwise, chances are there are no such restrictions since the gun has both a rifled barrel and no shoulder stock, thereby technically avoiding classification as a shotgun, which is typically defined as having a smooth bore and a shoulder stock.

    As far defense goes, I like the .45 Colt. It's a good round. And I don't think anyone is ever happy being hit with buckshot, no matter the gauge of the shell.[:D]


    A 410 is allowed as a pistol in California. I used to have 2 of them for snake guns when we cut fire wood in CA. Unless things have changed, this was almost 20 years ago.
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  • ElMuertoMonkeyElMuertoMonkey Member Posts: 12,898
    edited November -1
    * r done,

    Things have changed.[xx(][:(]
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  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    leave the .410 shells at home. .45LC is a great defensive pistol round. You need something like a Charter Arms Bulldog in.45 LC for a good combination of power and portability. The Charter Bulldog in .44spec. fills this role well.
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  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i don't know how well it would ccw at 9.095 inches long and 1.531 inches wide, if all else fails it would make a good club

    ooops sorry i replied you did say 1911fans sit down
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  • FrogbertFrogbert Member Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Got to listen to 11911A1fan about the size. What does that baby weigh? CONCEALED and CARRY being the operative words, here.
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  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by meunke
    OK, here's a topic I've been thinking about lately:

    Would a 5 shot revolver in .410/45 Long Colt do well as a CCW piece?


    Sure, but as Hugh said, why bother with dinky shotshells for defense, when you have the option of very effective .45 long Colt bullets?

    Teeny shotshells make sense for snakes and rodents, not people.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    How many times do I have to tell you guys that gun related topics are not allowed on this board![;)][}:)][:D]
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  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,038 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ECC
    How many times do I have to tell you guys that gun related topics are not allowed on this board![;)][}:)][:D]


    I do my best to adhere to this policy. We need Saxon now more than ever. Don
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  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    EMM is correct. No federal law against it. State law, maybe.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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  • Teflon888Teflon888 Member Posts: 36 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I seem to recall a .410 shotshell that was designed for defense that had three or four .33cal balls similar to 00 buck. Something like that might work well just as the .45 colt would.
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  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 22,051 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recall Derringers chambered for the .410/.45LC (two shot) in mass production (so it must be "State Law" to classify them as "Short Barreled Shotgun"[?]). In 00 Buck I recall 3 shots and they pretty much enter in one hole (no spread pattern). The "effective" range on the .410 would be very short I recon.
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  • HappyNanoqHappyNanoq Member Posts: 12,023
    edited November -1
    guntopic ??!!??

    GUNTOPIC ???????

    ...


    ...


    GUN TOPIC ??!!??

    WHY YOU... you're pushing it... !!! [:D]


    .410shells seems to work fine in other shortbarreled guns and since shotgun-powder is pretty fastburning, you'd get a fair amount of energy from the shells. (or the target will!!)

    I don't know if I would rely on it as CCW in a selfdefence situation though.


    But you're right - any gun will do, and the mere fact that you've got one is a deterrent.

    Bad guys don't stop to check wether your ammo is FMJ or Star crimped..

    But see what shoots best for you.
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  • toolsforfoolstoolsforfools Member Posts: 1,285 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry i am a (GLOCK FAN) When you go to a police academy graduation an 99% of them and 99% of the attending officers have glocks on it's pretty impressive.I found out about the glock 36 there 4 under covers i was introduced to had them on there side everybody spoke highly of them.Sorry again had to jump on the soap box!!!!!!!!![:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
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  • fastcarsgofastfastcarsgofast Member Posts: 7,179
    edited November -1
    As a full time leo I can say that there is nothing more reliable than a revolver. However the big question is how well can you conceal it. If it looks like you have a grotesque tumor ypu may as well leave it in the truck. I personally carry a kel tec p32 in my pocket and a S&W 640 on my ankle, and trust me nobody knows unless they know me.
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  • fishkiller41fishkiller41 Member Posts: 50,608
    edited November -1
    It you didn't kill'em with the round,you'd certainly BLIND them with the muzzle-blast.[B)]
    Jeff
    My buddt ahfrost has one and it is a handfull, we havn't had it to the range yet, but may be takin it out this weekend.
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  • haroldchrismeyerharoldchrismeyer Member Posts: 2,213 ✭
    edited November -1
    Who do you think you are going to run into that causes the need for such a caliber?? While a large pistol will stop the need for shooting most of the time, I can't even imagine trying to carry something like that, let alone concealed. My favorite when I was young was a S&W 29 with 4 inch barrel. Later in life I realize not so much is needed. 9mm, 40, or 45acp is plenty. Unless you are hoping to find a zoo escapee while you are at the store. So, to stay on topic, I don't think that would be a good carry piece. Too much weight, and size, and width.
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