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sold "as is no returns"?
discusdad
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is there no standard inspection time on GB?
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No one has ever taken me up on it (or had reason to, as I post plenty of photos & describe everything thoroughly & accurately).
Neal
i was curious there wasnt a lot of pics nor info on the item that i saw.
For instance, if a firearm comes without a magazine, I don't think a potential buyer should have to ask if the seller knew the mag well was so damaged that a mag couldn't be inserted and withdrawn without the use of a screw driver.
So some sellers say 'look at my pics". And you need to ask them to show the other side. I'm shocked at how many "one side view" photo montages I've seen.
Buyers want an honest, reliable and smooth transaction and I believe offering a "3 day no fire, no disassembly" provision is more than adequate. Know many folks who will not buy from a seller that doesn't stand behind their sale. I'm a Colt lover and if I'm going to part with a substantial amount of money for one revolver I want that provision as no amount of descriptions nor pictures can substitute for a hands on inspection for function (ie: timing,etc). I have yet to return an item and I have bought "as is" condition and rolled the dice and got lucky, but if I have a choice the 3 day inspection gets my bid every time, all things being equal. It's bad enough that there are an increasing number of sellers that misrepresent or out and out lie about the item they have up for auction.
There are plenty of unscrupulous buyers that will receive the item and take parts out, exchange parts from a broken firearm or fire it. Then they will want to return it and it creates a big mess. No thanks, if I lose a buyer so be it, it is not worth the headache to bump into a POS. It would be one thing if I was a dealer, but I am a private seller and I'm not going to absorb the loss associated with someone messing with my item or changing their mind. I've spent substantial money on here buying a Colt and was pleased. I would base my purchase far more on the feedback of the seller than whether they take returns.
Buyers want an honest, reliable and smooth transaction and I believe offering a "3 day no fire, no disassembly" provision is more than adequate. Know many folks who will not buy from a seller that doesn't stand behind their sale. I'm a Colt lover and if I'm going to part with a substantial amount of money for one revolver I want that provision as no amount of descriptions nor pictures can substitute for a hands on inspection for function (ie: timing,etc). I have yet to return an item and I have bought "as is" condition and rolled the dice and got lucky, but if I have a choice the 3 day inspection gets my bid every time, all things being equal. It's bad enough that there are an increasing number of sellers that misrepresent or out and out lie about the item they have up for auction.
I think you're absolutely right.
However, it might not be worth it to gain your business, to some folks.
If, for example, I have to take less money on an auction, and it's gone for good, once I send it, that might makes sense to me.
But, no tellin' how much money I lost, if I had a take-back provision.
It's a gamble, I guess you'd say.
Oh, and some sellers give you virtually NO information, and their pictures should be a criminal offense. [:D]
But, you kind of just let things shake out, in the end. Seller does a crappy job, and they lose money, no doubt, IMNSHO.
Anyway, I think this is a good thread.
Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..
I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.
quote:Originally posted by MFI
Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..
I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.
If he has 100% A+ feedback, and describes a firearm as functioning thenthere is no reason it should arrive as anything other than functioning, unless the buyer breaks it. If damaged in transit then that is a separate issue that should be addressed to the shipper.
quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
quote:Originally posted by MFI
Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..
I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.
If he has 100% A+ feedback, and describes a firearm as functioning thenthere is no reason it should arrive as anything other than functioning, unless the buyer breaks it. If damaged in transit then that is a separate issue that should be addressed to the shipper.
His feedback is great but that is not germaine to the issue. "AS IS" means what the buyer gets he gets, period. Be it working, broken, scratched when described as 100% NIB. So to "stand behind" an item the seller would honor a request to return that item if not as described, yes? Just clarifying and certainly not trying to disrespect any seller who has only an "as is" policy. Clarification is communication and therefore an intelligent tool. [:)]
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
quote:Originally posted by MFI
Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..
I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.
If he has 100% A+ feedback, and describes a firearm as functioning thenthere is no reason it should arrive as anything other than functioning, unless the buyer breaks it. If damaged in transit then that is a separate issue that should be addressed to the shipper.
His feedback is great but that is not germaine to the issue. "AS IS" means what the buyer gets he gets, period. Be it working, broken, scratched when described as 100% NIB. So to "stand behind" an item the seller would honor a request to return that item if not as described, yes? Just clarifying and certainly not trying to disrespect any seller who has only an "as is" policy. Clarification is communication and therefore an intelligent tool. [:)]
No...he stands behind it by providing an accurate description of its condition. It is not random that a seller has good or great feedback, that is why the system works. If a seller is suspect it is usually reflected in detail in their feedback. If you receive something other than described then you have a fraud issue, not a return issue. If an unscrupulous seller advertises something NIB and sends a used pistol then I doubt they will take a return in the first place, even if they state it.
If you buy a used product there is no way of knowing anything. You pay your money and take your chances, the VAST majority of sellers are honest, trying to hide nothing. If there truly is a problem MOST sellers will bend over backwards to help you.
Want a guarantee? Go buy it at a store with a return policy. WHOOPS, guns can't be "returned", they can be sent to the manufacturer for repair. [;)][:)]
quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
quote:Originally posted by MFI
Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..
I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.
If he has 100% A+ feedback, and describes a firearm as functioning thenthere is no reason it should arrive as anything other than functioning, unless the buyer breaks it. If damaged in transit then that is a separate issue that should be addressed to the shipper.
His feedback is great but that is not germaine to the issue. "AS IS" means what the buyer gets he gets, period. Be it working, broken, scratched when described as 100% NIB. So to "stand behind" an item the seller would honor a request to return that item if not as described, yes? Just clarifying and certainly not trying to disrespect any seller who has only an "as is" policy. Clarification is communication and therefore an intelligent tool. [:)]
No...he stands behind it by providing an accurate description of its condition. It is not random that a seller has good or great feedback, that is why the system works. If a seller is suspect it is usually reflected in detail in their feedback. If you receive something other than described then you have a fraud issue, not a return issue. If an unscrupulous seller advertises something NIB and sends a used pistol then I doubt they will take a return in the first place, even if they state it.
If it's a fraud issue there is no recourse as GB will not intercede on an "AS IS" sale. SO who does the buyer turn to? Not the seller because it's "AS IS". I'm NOT arguing the issue of the gentleman saying he stands behind his item as I'm sure he does but "in the event" something wasn't correct, an "as is" sale gives the buyer absolutely no recourse, that is my point.
We all know that errors or mistakes happen and that honest people will make it right. You may be right about someone defrauding another and not honoring the return but that's a different issue. Many GB buyers use credit cards, if accepted by the seller, because the credit card company has a better track record for issues relating to fraud, misrepresentation, etc. Ok, we'll put this to bed [8D]
quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
quote:Originally posted by MFI
Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..
I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.
Merc
quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
Buyers want an honest, reliable and smooth transaction and I believe offering a "3 day no fire, no disassembly" provision is more than adequate. Know many folks who will not buy from a seller that doesn't stand behind their sale. I'm a Colt lover and if I'm going to part with a substantial amount of money for one revolver I want that provision as no amount of descriptions nor pictures can substitute for a hands on inspection for function (ie: timing,etc). I have yet to return an item and I have bought "as is" condition and rolled the dice and got lucky, but if I have a choice the 3 day inspection gets my bid every time, all things being equal. It's bad enough that there are an increasing number of sellers that misrepresent or out and out lie about the item they have up for auction.
I personally like the three day inspection. Sellers should provide plenty of pics and accurate descriptions and answer all questions, then there would be very few problems with returns. The vast majority of sellers on this site do this. Also I will not buy from a seller that will not answer questions about the firearm or provide additional pics. I have only had to ask for one return out of many purchases I have made here. Asked seller if firearm had any issues at all and he stated none. When I received the item the forearm would not stay attached because of a broken part. Contacted seller and he asked what I wanted to do, told him I would like a return. He most graciously did this. If you bid you should do so with the intent of honoring the deal unless the item is grossly misrepresented. No buyers remorse.
+1
Everything else gets the more-or-less standard 3-day inspection period.
I don't expect a return unless the item was materially misrepresented, and I will not knowingly do that.
IIRC, I have had exactly three returns. Two of the items had nothing wrong with them, other than being bought by buyers who should not buy used items on the Internet. Each of those two I relisted and sold for more money the second time, and those buyers were happy.
The third item was a Davis .380 automatic that was in good working condition when I shipped it. It was clean, function tested, and test fired. The BONEHEAD that bought it did not know how to take it down, so rather than find out, he just tried to pry the slide off the frame with a screwdriver! Then, he returned the gun, saying it was broken! (Of course it's broken, bonehead! You broke it!) It was ruined. The only usable parts were the grips, grip screws, and magazine. I gave the idiot buyer a partial refund, based on the value of those parts alone.
Reality check. Life has no guarantees, PERIOD.
False.
You're guarranteed to die at some point in time.
I am sure whatever hell they create is not just with their firearm purchases and sales....
These people typically leave a wake of disaster and gloom wherever they go and they NEVER are the cause of anything...everyone else is wrong or trying to "take them" for something.
Just be glad there are more good people out there than there are these guys.
Buyers and sellers alike.....we can weed them out of the system as we go along. Just don't let them get to you.....we all have ENOUGH stress as it is.
Contacted seller promptly, advised of problem. Seller advised me to return to him, he would refund shipping and cost subject to his inspection. 1 week later had his check and a note of apology. Would gladly bid on any of his stuff today.
I know sellers have to deal with scam artists, idiots and the like. But when a gun is NOT as represented, that is not a fair transaction.
I was buying guns off the net in 99 when a pic was a RARITY! I ALWAYS received BETTER than described with just WORDS!
Some people are just * & dont need to buy anything unless they can hold it in their hands, period, and I kinda question it then...then you have the beyond * walking the line of insane that demand to take the gun apart before buying it! Yeah right.."here you go Mr buyer...be my guest and take down this 1st Generation Colt Army thats pristine and check every last part...NO problem!".
The ball is ALWAYS in the buyers court...IF the buyer doesnt like the pics, ask for more..IF he doesnt like he description, ask for a more detailed description, heck...ask ALL the questions you want as a buyer AND....IF you are not happy with the pics/description or answers to your questions...move along & DONT buy, pretty simple.
From several years of experience, MOST buyers do NOT read the description anyway!!!
My FB is 100% for several 100, and Ive replaced maybe 3 items that the buyer said was lost & never received...even w/Delivery Confirmation saying otherwise, no bigge.
I think you'd find that MOST sellers that state "As Is" will be more than happy to work with you if you have a real problem that you as a buyer did not cause.
I will however NOT offer an inspection period and have a $$$$$$ Colt ruined beyond sale because someone needed an "original" part and was to cheap and greasy not to spend the time chasing it down w/o screwing me for a thousand or so bucks by changing an after market part for my original part...which then makes my Colt NOT original while destroying much of its value...it's a two way street...[;)]
One fact will remain static, honest sellers and buyers will continue to work together IF an issue arises and that's a good thing. The folks that misrepresent their wares won't fare very well for long. Word travels fast, especially in collector circles, about who is great to deal with and who to steer clear of.
That about suns it up--
quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
One fact will remain static, honest sellers and buyers will continue to work together IF an issue arises and that's a good thing. The folks that misrepresent their wares won't fare very well for long. Word travels fast, especially in collector circles, about who is great to deal with and who to steer clear of.
That about suns it up--
Bingo! I would hope that a "as is" return policy would be simliar to the "no vacancy" light on at a motel. I'd be willing to bet that most sellers would be plenty willing to work with a buyer that had a legitimate issue.