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sold "as is no returns"?

discusdaddiscusdad Member Posts: 11,427 ✭✭✭✭
edited October 2012 in General Discussion
is there no standard inspection time on GB?

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  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nope,.....set by the seller only.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    everything I sold was "as is" no returns. There is no need to have that policy if you sell the item as advertised, and provide detailed pics. I've haven't had any unsatisfied buyers because they receive what they should expect.
  • CS8161CS8161 Member Posts: 13,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have been selling for over 10 years here with a no return policy because I put plenty of photos on the auction, describe the item accurately, list any flaws or defects and answer sellers question quickly. I have only had one buyer suffer from remorse and want to send an item back out of over 1100 sales.
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,891 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I offer 30 days return, plus I state I will pay shipping both ways if not as described.

    No one has ever taken me up on it (or had reason to, as I post plenty of photos & describe everything thoroughly & accurately).

    Neal
  • discusdaddiscusdad Member Posts: 11,427 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ok thanks
    i was curious there wasnt a lot of pics nor info on the item that i saw.
  • MtnSpurMtnSpur Member Posts: 87 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Buyers want an honest, reliable and smooth transaction and I believe offering a "3 day no fire, no disassembly" provision is more than adequate. Know many folks who will not buy from a seller that doesn't stand behind their sale. I'm a Colt lover and if I'm going to part with a substantial amount of money for one revolver I want that provision as no amount of descriptions nor pictures can substitute for a hands on inspection for function (ie: timing,etc). I have yet to return an item and I have bought "as is" condition and rolled the dice and got lucky, but if I have a choice the 3 day inspection gets my bid every time, all things being equal. It's bad enough that there are an increasing number of sellers that misrepresent or out and out lie about the item they have up for auction.
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    I've purchased a few things here that I felt should have had better disclosure.

    For instance, if a firearm comes without a magazine, I don't think a potential buyer should have to ask if the seller knew the mag well was so damaged that a mag couldn't be inserted and withdrawn without the use of a screw driver.

    So some sellers say 'look at my pics". And you need to ask them to show the other side. I'm shocked at how many "one side view" photo montages I've seen.
  • MFIMFI Member Posts: 7,899 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    Buyers want an honest, reliable and smooth transaction and I believe offering a "3 day no fire, no disassembly" provision is more than adequate. Know many folks who will not buy from a seller that doesn't stand behind their sale. I'm a Colt lover and if I'm going to part with a substantial amount of money for one revolver I want that provision as no amount of descriptions nor pictures can substitute for a hands on inspection for function (ie: timing,etc). I have yet to return an item and I have bought "as is" condition and rolled the dice and got lucky, but if I have a choice the 3 day inspection gets my bid every time, all things being equal. It's bad enough that there are an increasing number of sellers that misrepresent or out and out lie about the item they have up for auction.


    There are plenty of unscrupulous buyers that will receive the item and take parts out, exchange parts from a broken firearm or fire it. Then they will want to return it and it creates a big mess. No thanks, if I lose a buyer so be it, it is not worth the headache to bump into a POS. It would be one thing if I was a dealer, but I am a private seller and I'm not going to absorb the loss associated with someone messing with my item or changing their mind. I've spent substantial money on here buying a Colt and was pleased. I would base my purchase far more on the feedback of the seller than whether they take returns.
  • Oso2142Oso2142 Member Posts: 2,940
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    Buyers want an honest, reliable and smooth transaction and I believe offering a "3 day no fire, no disassembly" provision is more than adequate. Know many folks who will not buy from a seller that doesn't stand behind their sale. I'm a Colt lover and if I'm going to part with a substantial amount of money for one revolver I want that provision as no amount of descriptions nor pictures can substitute for a hands on inspection for function (ie: timing,etc). I have yet to return an item and I have bought "as is" condition and rolled the dice and got lucky, but if I have a choice the 3 day inspection gets my bid every time, all things being equal. It's bad enough that there are an increasing number of sellers that misrepresent or out and out lie about the item they have up for auction.


    I think you're absolutely right.

    However, it might not be worth it to gain your business, to some folks.

    If, for example, I have to take less money on an auction, and it's gone for good, once I send it, that might makes sense to me.

    But, no tellin' how much money I lost, if I had a take-back provision.

    It's a gamble, I guess you'd say.

    Oh, and some sellers give you virtually NO information, and their pictures should be a criminal offense. [:D]

    But, you kind of just let things shake out, in the end. Seller does a crappy job, and they lose money, no doubt, IMNSHO.

    Anyway, I think this is a good thread.
  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In the past I only did As Is auctions. If I do any in the future I will offer a 3 day no fire return with the understanding the buyer is paying the return shipping as well as any FFL fees my FFL will charge me.
  • MtnSpurMtnSpur Member Posts: 87 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MFI
    Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..


    I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    quote:Originally posted by MFI
    Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..


    I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.


    If he has 100% A+ feedback, and describes a firearm as functioning thenthere is no reason it should arrive as anything other than functioning, unless the buyer breaks it. If damaged in transit then that is a separate issue that should be addressed to the shipper.
  • MtnSpurMtnSpur Member Posts: 87 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    quote:Originally posted by MFI
    Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..


    I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.


    If he has 100% A+ feedback, and describes a firearm as functioning thenthere is no reason it should arrive as anything other than functioning, unless the buyer breaks it. If damaged in transit then that is a separate issue that should be addressed to the shipper.


    His feedback is great but that is not germaine to the issue. "AS IS" means what the buyer gets he gets, period. Be it working, broken, scratched when described as 100% NIB. So to "stand behind" an item the seller would honor a request to return that item if not as described, yes? Just clarifying and certainly not trying to disrespect any seller who has only an "as is" policy. Clarification is communication and therefore an intelligent tool. [:)]
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    quote:Originally posted by MFI
    Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..


    I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.


    If he has 100% A+ feedback, and describes a firearm as functioning thenthere is no reason it should arrive as anything other than functioning, unless the buyer breaks it. If damaged in transit then that is a separate issue that should be addressed to the shipper.


    His feedback is great but that is not germaine to the issue. "AS IS" means what the buyer gets he gets, period. Be it working, broken, scratched when described as 100% NIB. So to "stand behind" an item the seller would honor a request to return that item if not as described, yes? Just clarifying and certainly not trying to disrespect any seller who has only an "as is" policy. Clarification is communication and therefore an intelligent tool. [:)]


    No...he stands behind it by providing an accurate description of its condition. It is not random that a seller has good or great feedback, that is why the system works. If a seller is suspect it is usually reflected in detail in their feedback. If you receive something other than described then you have a fraud issue, not a return issue. If an unscrupulous seller advertises something NIB and sends a used pistol then I doubt they will take a return in the first place, even if they state it.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,669 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Reality check. Life has no guarantees, PERIOD.

    If you buy a used product there is no way of knowing anything. You pay your money and take your chances, the VAST majority of sellers are honest, trying to hide nothing. If there truly is a problem MOST sellers will bend over backwards to help you.

    Want a guarantee? Go buy it at a store with a return policy. WHOOPS, guns can't be "returned", they can be sent to the manufacturer for repair. [;)][:)]
  • MtnSpurMtnSpur Member Posts: 87 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    quote:Originally posted by MFI
    Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..


    I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.


    If he has 100% A+ feedback, and describes a firearm as functioning thenthere is no reason it should arrive as anything other than functioning, unless the buyer breaks it. If damaged in transit then that is a separate issue that should be addressed to the shipper.


    His feedback is great but that is not germaine to the issue. "AS IS" means what the buyer gets he gets, period. Be it working, broken, scratched when described as 100% NIB. So to "stand behind" an item the seller would honor a request to return that item if not as described, yes? Just clarifying and certainly not trying to disrespect any seller who has only an "as is" policy. Clarification is communication and therefore an intelligent tool. [:)]


    No...he stands behind it by providing an accurate description of its condition. It is not random that a seller has good or great feedback, that is why the system works. If a seller is suspect it is usually reflected in detail in their feedback. If you receive something other than described then you have a fraud issue, not a return issue. If an unscrupulous seller advertises something NIB and sends a used pistol then I doubt they will take a return in the first place, even if they state it.


    If it's a fraud issue there is no recourse as GB will not intercede on an "AS IS" sale. SO who does the buyer turn to? Not the seller because it's "AS IS". I'm NOT arguing the issue of the gentleman saying he stands behind his item as I'm sure he does but "in the event" something wasn't correct, an "as is" sale gives the buyer absolutely no recourse, that is my point.
    We all know that errors or mistakes happen and that honest people will make it right. You may be right about someone defrauding another and not honoring the return but that's a different issue. Many GB buyers use credit cards, if accepted by the seller, because the credit card company has a better track record for issues relating to fraud, misrepresentation, etc. Ok, we'll put this to bed [8D]
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Any time I see "AS IS, NO RETURNS" I walk on by. I have always figured when a man says as is something is wrong with it.
  • MFIMFI Member Posts: 7,899 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I still stand behind it even if there is a problem.. I have had two guns I sold "not work properly" ..I had the customer send me their gun smith bill and I covered the cost.. Once again my feedback shows we are stand up folks with a reputation to live up to. We havent been in business for 89 years by screwing people.. If people dont like my AS IS auctions then that is their problem..

    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    quote:Originally posted by MFI
    Been selling here since 1999.Everything sold is AS IS.. Lok at my feedbac all 100%% A+++.. Describe it well and stand behind it..


    I commend you for your record. Describe it well is great but you aren't standing behind it with an "AS IS" condition. IF the gun you sold doesn't work upon receipt, the buyer has no recourse for YOU to repair, honor a return for refund or any other option. He's SOL with purchasing something "AS IS". A non firing, no disassembly 3 day inspection clause meets the minimum requirement for the buyer to be able to inspect the gun and insure he bought what was advertised for the price he paid. Any buyer that takes a gun apart, swaps parts, etc is worse than a seller that misrepresents an item. To be sure it would be nice if buyer and seller were honest, forthright and had communicated everything prior to money and merchandise switching hands. Unfortunately there are those that can't be trusted on either side of the transaction and feedback certainly is a great indicator of who one can feel more confident doing business with.
  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,836 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ANY sort of return policy is going to open you up to fraud, and buyer's remorse. My auctions are simple: I describe it very well, and have lots of pictures. If you can't figure it out by that, then please don't bid, because you are a wishy-washy fool who can't make a decision, and you'll never be happy with it, no matter what you decide. I've never had anyone want to return a firearm, and it is VERY rare that people want to return anything else.

    Merc

    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    Buyers want an honest, reliable and smooth transaction and I believe offering a "3 day no fire, no disassembly" provision is more than adequate. Know many folks who will not buy from a seller that doesn't stand behind their sale. I'm a Colt lover and if I'm going to part with a substantial amount of money for one revolver I want that provision as no amount of descriptions nor pictures can substitute for a hands on inspection for function (ie: timing,etc). I have yet to return an item and I have bought "as is" condition and rolled the dice and got lucky, but if I have a choice the 3 day inspection gets my bid every time, all things being equal. It's bad enough that there are an increasing number of sellers that misrepresent or out and out lie about the item they have up for auction.
  • wolfpackwolfpack Member Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I personally like the three day inspection. Sellers should provide plenty of pics and accurate descriptions and answer all questions, then there would be very few problems with returns. The vast majority of sellers on this site do this. Also I will not buy from a seller that will not answer questions about the firearm or provide additional pics. I have only had to ask for one return out of many purchases I have made here. Asked seller if firearm had any issues at all and he stated none. When I received the item the forearm would not stay attached because of a broken part. Contacted seller and he asked what I wanted to do, told him I would like a return. He most graciously did this. If you bid you should do so with the intent of honoring the deal unless the item is grossly misrepresented. No buyers remorse.
  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wolfpack
    I personally like the three day inspection. Sellers should provide plenty of pics and accurate descriptions and answer all questions, then there would be very few problems with returns. The vast majority of sellers on this site do this. Also I will not buy from a seller that will not answer questions about the firearm or provide additional pics. I have only had to ask for one return out of many purchases I have made here. Asked seller if firearm had any issues at all and he stated none. When I received the item the forearm would not stay attached because of a broken part. Contacted seller and he asked what I wanted to do, told him I would like a return. He most graciously did this. If you bid you should do so with the intent of honoring the deal unless the item is grossly misrepresented. No buyers remorse.


    +1
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,083 ******
    edited November -1
    My "AS-IS, NO RETURN" auctions are for new items warranted by their manufacturers, or for items that have obvious problems, broken or missing parts, etc.

    Everything else gets the more-or-less standard 3-day inspection period.

    I don't expect a return unless the item was materially misrepresented, and I will not knowingly do that.

    IIRC, I have had exactly three returns. Two of the items had nothing wrong with them, other than being bought by buyers who should not buy used items on the Internet. Each of those two I relisted and sold for more money the second time, and those buyers were happy.

    The third item was a Davis .380 automatic that was in good working condition when I shipped it. It was clean, function tested, and test fired. The BONEHEAD that bought it did not know how to take it down, so rather than find out, he just tried to pry the slide off the frame with a screwdriver! Then, he returned the gun, saying it was broken! (Of course it's broken, bonehead! You broke it!) It was ruined. The only usable parts were the grips, grip screws, and magazine. I gave the idiot buyer a partial refund, based on the value of those parts alone.
  • HappyNanoqHappyNanoq Member Posts: 12,023
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    Reality check. Life has no guarantees, PERIOD.


    False.

    You're guarranteed to die at some point in time.
  • Locust ForkLocust Fork Member Posts: 32,049 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No matter what you do....there are always morons out there that will TRY to blame their stupidity and incompetence on "the world" and they will torture anyone that is unfortunate enough to have crossed paths with them.

    I am sure whatever hell they create is not just with their firearm purchases and sales....

    These people typically leave a wake of disaster and gloom wherever they go and they NEVER are the cause of anything...everyone else is wrong or trying to "take them" for something.

    Just be glad there are more good people out there than there are these guys.

    Buyers and sellers alike.....we can weed them out of the system as we go along. Just don't let them get to you.....we all have ENOUGH stress as it is.
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  • 11b6r11b6r Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Have had exactly 1 problem in about 50 purchases here and one other site. Mossberg 22 rifle from the 1950s. Unpacked it, saw what I could not see in the photos- barrel had been ringed with a squib load, leaving that bulge in the bbl.

    Contacted seller promptly, advised of problem. Seller advised me to return to him, he would refund shipping and cost subject to his inspection. 1 week later had his check and a note of apology. Would gladly bid on any of his stuff today.

    I know sellers have to deal with scam artists, idiots and the like. But when a gun is NOT as represented, that is not a fair transaction.
  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    ...Every one of my auctions is "As Is"...which basically to keep the honest people honest...and GB has the most honest buyers & sellers of all the gun sites on the net...thats not to say there are not a few poop-heads...and Ive found a LOT more buyers that needed to be hung than sellers.

    I was buying guns off the net in 99 when a pic was a RARITY! I ALWAYS received BETTER than described with just WORDS!

    Some people are just * & dont need to buy anything unless they can hold it in their hands, period, and I kinda question it then...then you have the beyond * walking the line of insane that demand to take the gun apart before buying it! Yeah right.."here you go Mr buyer...be my guest and take down this 1st Generation Colt Army thats pristine and check every last part...NO problem!".

    The ball is ALWAYS in the buyers court...IF the buyer doesnt like the pics, ask for more..IF he doesnt like he description, ask for a more detailed description, heck...ask ALL the questions you want as a buyer AND....IF you are not happy with the pics/description or answers to your questions...move along & DONT buy, pretty simple.

    From several years of experience, MOST buyers do NOT read the description anyway!!!

    My FB is 100% for several 100, and Ive replaced maybe 3 items that the buyer said was lost & never received...even w/Delivery Confirmation saying otherwise, no bigge.

    I think you'd find that MOST sellers that state "As Is" will be more than happy to work with you if you have a real problem that you as a buyer did not cause.

    I will however NOT offer an inspection period and have a $$$$$$ Colt ruined beyond sale because someone needed an "original" part and was to cheap and greasy not to spend the time chasing it down w/o screwing me for a thousand or so bucks by changing an after market part for my original part...which then makes my Colt NOT original while destroying much of its value...it's a two way street...[;)]
  • kimikimi Member Posts: 44,719 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't normally fool with the "As is" type auctions. As a matter of fact, I generally don't pay any attention to them at all. However, some have caught my attention and I actually considered bidding on them. I even talked to one or two dealers at length about this same issue, and although one convinced me that they changed their policy from allowing inspections to selling "As is." In the final analysis, he convinced me that some buyers simply cannot be trusted. One other thing that I have noticed with a lot of the "As is" sellers is that once they have your money and the item is shipped, they don't want to have anything to do with any goods that are damaged in shipping. Now, I know that a lot of people are willing to take a chance on such transactions, but that does not sit well with me at all. However, I cannot blame them for using that strategy if it works for them. This latter note turned me off completely on bidding when the seller could have made and additional thousand bucks or so. It is what it is.
    What's next?
  • MtnSpurMtnSpur Member Posts: 87 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    One fact will remain static, honest sellers and buyers will continue to work together IF an issue arises and that's a good thing. The folks that misrepresent their wares won't fare very well for long. Word travels fast, especially in collector circles, about who is great to deal with and who to steer clear of.
  • slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I no longer buy without at least a 3 day inspection period. Used to do it but got burnt a couple of times. I will question a seller who has a no return policy if he has a gun I realy want and need for my collection. My feedback as a buyer is 100% and I have bought a lot of guns over the years. Often the seller will agree to a return if there is any serious problem or misreprestntation. Sometimes I have negotiated a price concession it there was a problem. Had one recently that had a 3 day inspection and the gun had been re lined and re blued without being described as such. Seller took it back and paid shipping both ways and re listed and sold it again after he changed the description to point out the re blue and re line work. Most sellers and most buyers are honest but the few bad apples make it tough for the rest of us.
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    One fact will remain static, honest sellers and buyers will continue to work together IF an issue arises and that's a good thing. The folks that misrepresent their wares won't fare very well for long. Word travels fast, especially in collector circles, about who is great to deal with and who to steer clear of.


    That about suns it up--
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,166 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mm8nambu
    quote:Originally posted by MtnSpur
    One fact will remain static, honest sellers and buyers will continue to work together IF an issue arises and that's a good thing. The folks that misrepresent their wares won't fare very well for long. Word travels fast, especially in collector circles, about who is great to deal with and who to steer clear of.


    That about suns it up--
    Bingo! I would hope that a "as is" return policy would be simliar to the "no vacancy" light on at a motel. I'd be willing to bet that most sellers would be plenty willing to work with a buyer that had a legitimate issue.
  • grdad45grdad45 Member Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    My local dealer sold a nice used Remington 870. A few days later, the buyer returned the gun, wanting a full refund, saying it wouldn't fire. Upon inspection, the bolt had been obviously replaced with a bubba'd one the "buyer" had traded out. The shop owner called his hand on it, and asked for the original part back, because he had cleaned and fired the gun before selling it, and the one in the gun was filthy. After the buyer threatened lawsuits and violence, the shop owner called 911. The idiot left with the gun.
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