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Starsky and Hutch

hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
edited May 2006 in General Discussion
What's with those guys? Were they suppsed to be gay? And what about that car? They're suppsoed to be undercover cops and they drive around town like madmen in that hopped up dinosaur of a car with a stupid paint job that nobody could forget..I guess the criminals were dumber back then.. And Huggy Bear.. What's his story?

My son just got the Starsky and Hutch game for his PS2. The game is narrated by Huggy Bear.. In any case, my son has been asking me about the show, but i never watched it when it was on cause it seemed totally queer

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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I never watched it much either, but I guess I did not have my gaydar on, as I never got a gay connection. I just thought it was pretty lame.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Next: ABC at Wednesday 10:00 PM (60 min.)
    Status: Ended Premiered: April 30, 1975
    Show Categories: Drama, Action/Adventure
    First screeching onto television screens in 1975, 'Starsky & Hutch' brought much of the streetwise grit, the violence, and the sheer excitement from hit movies such as 'Dirty Harry' to the small screen. There had been Police series virtually since then beginning of television, but 'Starsky & Hutch' had something else - this show was undoubtedly "hip". A huge hit at the time, it now stands as one of the iconic cop shows of the 1970s, particularly thanks to the fashions and infamous car chases that went with it.

    On the surface, plain-clothes Detectives Starsky and Hutch were like oil and water. Ken Hutchinson opted very much for the quiet life, being well read, a deep thinker, and enjoying fine cuisine. Dave Starsky, on the other hand, was louder, more brash, enjoying street life and a diet of junk food. Their personalities might have contrasted, but once together, they meshed perfectly, practically operating and thinking as one, as they rid the streets of muggers, drug pushers, murderers, rapists, racketeers, and similar scum. Their methods weren't always the most orthodox and they weren't afraid to bend the rules, but they always got results. Huggy Bear was the duo's ultra-hip, jive talking, streetwise informant. It was sometimes lightly hinted that Huggy was a pimp, but this was never really confirmed (or denied) in the series.

    By the fourth, final season, things had become very watered down from the violent early days, with far tamer stories, and many episodes played firmly tongue-in-cheek, with the light-hearted "buddy-buddy" element at the fore more than ever. Glaser was still unhappy with his contract tying him to the series, and as a result, it's rumoured that it was considered killing his character off in the final episode of the season, "Sweet Revenge". There was some speculation that for the fifth season, Hutch would be partnered by Starsky's younger brother Nicholas, introduced previously in the fourth season in "Starsky's Brother", but whether this proposal was ever seriously considered or not, nothing ever became of the idea. Either way, Starsky lived on, and Glaser was freed of the contract anyway when ABC decided not to renew the show for a fifth season, due to by then slipping ratings.

    Seasons 1-3 are currently available on DVD through Sony Pictur
  • Henry0ReillyHenry0Reilly Member Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
    What's with those guys? Were they suppsed to be gay? And what about that car? They're suppsoed to be undercover cops and they drive around town like madmen in that hopped up dinosaur of a car with a stupid paint job that nobody could forget..I guess the criminals were dumber back then.. And Huggy Bear.. What's his story?

    My son just got the Starsky and Hutch game for his PS2. The game is narrated by Huggy Bear.. In any case, my son has been asking me about the show, but i never watched it when it was on cause it seemed totally queer


    I don't recall that they were undercover per se but plain clothes. The car wasn't a "dinosaur" when the show was new. Huggy Bear was the quintessential pimp whose operation was suffered to continue only because he was a snitch. Prositution as a victimless crime would never fly in the PC world of today.

    I definitely didn't think they were gay, in fact, I'm pretty sure there were episodes where heterosexual interests were key to the plot.
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  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Damn, evidently nobody watched the show. Me neither. Since I didn't watch the show it took me forever to figure out why so many people were rolling the sleeves of their jackets and coats up to their elbows. Turns out that's what the white guy did on TV.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • spryorspryor Member Posts: 9,155
    edited November -1
    A pair of twin sisters that grew up in the same neighborhood as I did got identical Starsky & Hutch cars. Guess it was a limited edition or something.
  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That car looked like something out of the sixties but I guess it could have been early '70s, one of those 428 police interceptors. Some guy at my high school had one with the same paint job.

    I think it was one of those hollywood things where the car isnt supposed to be real, kinda like Dukes of hazzard. As a matter of fact i think Starsky and Hutch might best be described as a police version of dukes.

    My son plays a video game where they drive around smashing into things to stop robberies etc. I remember the car chase scenes were supposed to be the best part of the show, just that the car looked so ridiculous I could never take them seriously.
  • rongrong Member Posts: 8,459
    edited November -1
    I like Starsky and Hutch,it was very
    entertaining which is what I thought
    all shows were supposed to be ,nothing
    more nothing less ,but I guess today's
    "eyes" see differently.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i was about 12-13 when they first aired, for the times they where no different than Beretta, good times,welcome back kotter, and charlie's angels, starsky was a 1911 man though
  • Colonel PlinkColonel Plink Member Posts: 16,460
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spryor
    A pair of twin sisters that grew up in the same neighborhood as I did got identical Starsky & Hutch cars. Guess it was a limited edition or something.


    Yup. A guy I graduated High School with had one. Still has it.
  • mondmond Member Posts: 6,458
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    Damn, evidently nobody watched the show. Me neither. Since I didn't watch the show it took me forever to figure out why so many people were rolling the sleeves of their jackets and coats up to their elbows. Turns out that's what the white guy did on TV.


    wasn't that miami vice ..[:)]
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:so many people were rolling the sleeves of their jackets and coats up to their elbows. Turns out that's what the white guy did on TV.

    Mond beat me to it, but yeah that was "Sonny" Crockett in Miami Mice, er, Vice.
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yes, I much prefer today's more realisitc shows like Lost and Invasion and less gay shows like Deadwood and Deal Or No Deal. I have a shawl collar cardigan like Starsky used to wear and I know all the words to "Don't Give Up On Us, Baby." Up your nose with a rubber hose, Hugh.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    I used to like the show...have not seen it in years though.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,522 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Actually a Starky / Hutch car was a 460 cube . They are quite rare and valuable on todays market. http://www.starskytorino.com
  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    DWS, I'll bet somewhere in your clost you have a pair of hot pink high waisted polyester bell-bottom pants with a green puffy shirt and and orange vest from KMart's Huggy Bear's Classic Threads collection.

    I keep forgetting, which one was Starsky and which one was Hutch.. or did they take turns?
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    there where 1,000 of them made, and they came factory as a S&H car with 351 two barrel


    http://www.starskytorino.com/
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    Damn, evidently nobody watched the show. Me neither. Since I didn't watch the show it took me forever to figure out why so many people were rolling the sleeves of their jackets and coats up to their elbows. Turns out that's what the white guy did on TV.

    thats Miami VICE...basically a starsky and hutch remake only in Miami, with hot tunes a daytona ferrari instead of a Gran Torino
    and a black white duo to fight the drug dealers.
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
    I keep forgetting, which one was Starsky and which one was Hutch.. or did they take turns?

    Get a grip. Their show names exactly matched the ethnicity of their appearance. In real life, Hutch was a wife beater and Starsky's wife died of AIDS. And that was one badass Torino.
  • jabronij3jabronij3 Member Posts: 4,686
    edited November -1
    DWS what is so realistic about killing a polar bear on a tropical island with a 9mm handgun shooting offhand as the bear charges you?[^][;)]
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
    Damn, evidently nobody watched the show. Me neither. Since I didn't watch the show it took me forever to figure out why so many people were rolling the sleeves of their jackets and coats up to their elbows. Turns out that's what the white guy did on TV.

    thats Miami VICE...basically a starsky and hutch remake only in Miami, with hot tunes a daytona ferrari instead of a Gran Torino
    and a black white duo to fight the drug dealers.


    OK, I'll fess up. I didn't watch either one of them. [:D]
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jabronij3
    DWS what is so realistic about killing a polar bear on a tropical island with a 9mm handgun shooting offhand as the bear charges you?[^][;)]



    The bear is using Mastercard. Don
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I thought Miami Vice was Starskey & Hutch.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Neither character carried a 1911. Hutch carried a snubbie revolver in the first few episodes, then settled on a 6" Python for the rest of the series. Starsky carried a then-new-and-hot Smith & Wesson 59. He evidently couldn't handle double action, because he habitually cocked the hammer with his weak hand for the first shot.
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Neither character carried a 1911. Hutch carried a snubbie revolver in the first few episodes, then settled on a 6" Python for the rest of the series. Starsky carried a then-new-and-hot Smith & Wesson 59. He evidently couldn't handle double action, because he habitually cocked the hammer with his weak hand for the first shot.

    A fan were ya, nunn? I bet you got high heel sneakers and an Antonio Fargas poster in your closet.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,522 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
    there where 1,000 of them made, and they came factory as a S&H car with 351 two barrel


    http://www.starskytorino.com/





    Of the 1000 a 400 cube or 460 cube was optional. In fact I know where an original S/H car is with the rare 460 that needs a total restoration. One Adam 12 where are you ?
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    I wasn't a big fan, but several friends were into it. I thought the whole premise of the show was silly. But I notice hardware.

    I did watch Baretta. Seems he also had a pimp informer.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,522 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I watched Baretta to see if that crazy Parrot would bite someones finger off..[:)]
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    It was a sulphur-crested cockatoo. That show caused big demand for cockatoos and prices skyrocketed.

    I read that there were several cockatoos used in the show, I believe four, in all. One did flying/physical behaviors, one did scenes where it was required to talk well, and a third did close up work. Then there was a fourth, dead and taxidermied, for dangerous stunt work.
  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    One did flying/physical behaviors, one did scenes where it was required to talk well, and a third did close up work. Then there was a fourth, dead and taxidermied, for dangerous stunt work.



    I heard you have the same for you here on Gunbroker. Don
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,522 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [:)]

    Baretta

    Keep Your Eye on the Sparrow by Dave Grusin & M. Ames

    Sung by Sammy Davis, Jr.

    The song, when covered by Merry Clayton, was released in 1975 and charted as high as #45 on the Billboard Top 40 Charts in 1975 and when covered in 1976 by Rhythm Heritage did even better, rising to #20. One wonders why the original version by Sammy Davis, Jr. wasn't released (or at least did not chart). Davis did have one #1 hit (and eight Top 40 hits) with Candy Man from the movie Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory.


    Original Air Dates: 1975 - 1978 (ABC) Location: New York City, New York




    Don't go to bed, with no price on your head - No, no, don't do it.
    Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time - Yeah, don't do it.
    And keep your eye on the sparrow.
    When the going gets narrow.

    Don't do it, don't do it.
    Where can I go where the cold winds don't blow,
    Now. Well, well, well.





    No one seems to know why the songs says "keep your eye on the sparrow" because Baretta's informant was known as Rooster and his pet bird Fred was a cockatoo.
  • wanted manwanted man Member Posts: 3,276
    edited November -1
    " I watched Baretta to see if that crazy Parrot would bite someones finger off.."

    I always wo9ndered how that bird would taste stuffed with wild rice and chopped pecans[}:)]
  • Queen of SwordsQueen of Swords Member Posts: 14,355
    edited November -1
    screw the show, the car was cool. dinosaur? bet ya'll believe that 'fast and Furious' fantasy crap. the Starsky/hutch torino could be ordered with a 302, 351 2 or 4bblcleveland (GOOD MOTOR) 351 m 400, (junk), or a 460.

    if you want your import to glow underneath, skip the neon, be a man, toss gas and a match under ther and walk away.

    there is no substitute for cubic inches........
  • john wjohn w Member Posts: 4,104
    edited November -1
    My cousin bought a S&H torino when ford came out with them, He still has it and it still looks like new. I do not remember what engine he has in it though as i have not seen him in a while but when i go past his house i see the car in the garage. I guess i should stop in and see him.
  • CFPythonCFPython Member Posts: 413 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Neither character carried a 1911. Hutch carried a snubbie revolver in the first few episodes, then settled on a 6" Python for the rest of the series. Starsky carried a then-new-and-hot Smith & Wesson 59. He evidently couldn't handle double action, because he habitually cocked the hammer with his weak hand for the first shot.


    Actually, in the pilot episode, Starsky did carry a 1911. When they check their gear in the car, he calls it a Beretta, but it's obviously a Gov't Model. Hutch did have a snub. Then he went to a 4" Python for about two episodes, then to the 6". Starsky carried the Model 59 in everything except the first episode. (I freely admit I have the first season on DVD.) The Torino was a dog. The revving engine and squeeling tires were sound effects mixed later to make it sound faster than it was.
  • wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,067
    edited November -1
    Baretta was a cheap rip off of the show Toma (based on a real cop who used disguises) Toma was a short-lived television series that ran on ABC in 1973 and 1974.

    The series starred Tony Musante and Susan Strasberg and was based on the real-life story and published biography of Newark, New Jersey police detective David Toma. Toma had compiled an amazing arrest record during his years on the force, particularly in arresting drug dealers. Toma was known as a master of disguise and undercover work, and achieved his success while never firing his gun. After retiring from the force, Toma became one of America's most sought after speakers, lecturing students all over the country about the dangers of drugs.

    Toma himself usually made a cameo appearance in an episodes as a minor character (bartender, police officer, etc.). His boss, Inspector Spooner, was played by character actor Simon Oakland.

    Musante (who was primarily a movie actor) got tired of the grind of making a weekly program afer only one season. Since Toma was achieving relatively good ratings and reviews the show was quickly revamped as Baretta starring Robert Blake, and debuted as a mid-season replacement on ABC in early 1975.

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  • wipalawipala Member Posts: 11,067
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
    That car looked like something out of the sixties but I guess it could have been early '70s, one of those 428 police interceptors. Some guy at my high school had one with the same paint job.

    I think it was one of those hollywood things where the car isnt supposed to be real, kinda like Dukes of hazzard. As a matter of fact i think Starsky and Hutch might best be described as a police version of dukes.My son plays a video game where they drive around smashing into things to stop robberies etc. I remember the car chase scenes were supposed to be the best part of the show, just that the car looked so ridiculous I could never take them seriously.
    Actually S&H came before Dukes. The Dukes of Hazzard was a ripoff off a movie
  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wipala
    quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
    That car looked like something out of the sixties but I guess it could have been early '70s, one of those 428 police interceptors. Some guy at my high school had one with the same paint job.

    I think it was one of those hollywood things where the car isnt supposed to be real, kinda like Dukes of hazzard. As a matter of fact i think Starsky and Hutch might best be described as a police version of dukes.My son plays a video game where they drive around smashing into things to stop robberies etc. I remember the car chase scenes were supposed to be the best part of the show, just that the car looked so ridiculous I could never take them seriously.
    Actually S&H came before Dukes. The Dukes of Hazzard was a ripoff off a movie


    Maybe dukes ripped off S&H to appeal to a younger audience. I was in high school at the time and S&H did not appeal to me but Dukes did. think about it, first you have the ridiculous car, then you have the guy with the blonde hair and the guy with the curly black hair. Both shows were made by stringing car jump/chase scenes together with bad dialogue.

    Then there is Daisy Duke, obviously she is the Huggy Bear character.. or maybe * was the huggy Bear character?
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