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SOMETHING IS SO VERY WRONG WITH THE SYSTEM...
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Talked to a woman today whose hubby is on disability...He is so bad off according to them, that the can hardly walk, but he can get out and ride a harley,...he can lift full 5 gal water bottles ( over 40 pounds) he can go hunting and travel for his favorite sport, which is motocross and he races...
What the hell is wrong with a system that would have ppl on disability that can do all the fun stuff without any problem but cant hold a job????????
Cant the "ones in charge" see the fakers?...the liars?...it really ticks a person off to know WE are paying their bills, their mortgage, cars, toys etc while they are off playing around..
I told her exactly that, and her response?
Well why not milk the system if you can?
I told her cause she is hurting every honest american person who is paying her hubby's disability ..
She said the gov't is paying the disability, not the tax payer...
I told her, and just who the hell do you think pays the gov't????????????????
Ooooopss...sorry its blackroses not classic....he is logged in and I didnt check first..
Something else...she drives a newer car than I do...I mean I really dont care cause I can at least back my truck to a lake and not worry if it gets wet or scratched, but damn, I thing we just bought her car for her...she drives newer than us and the tax payer bought it....sheeesh.
What the hell is wrong with a system that would have ppl on disability that can do all the fun stuff without any problem but cant hold a job????????
Cant the "ones in charge" see the fakers?...the liars?...it really ticks a person off to know WE are paying their bills, their mortgage, cars, toys etc while they are off playing around..
I told her exactly that, and her response?
Well why not milk the system if you can?
I told her cause she is hurting every honest american person who is paying her hubby's disability ..
She said the gov't is paying the disability, not the tax payer...
I told her, and just who the hell do you think pays the gov't????????????????
Ooooopss...sorry its blackroses not classic....he is logged in and I didnt check first..
Something else...she drives a newer car than I do...I mean I really dont care cause I can at least back my truck to a lake and not worry if it gets wet or scratched, but damn, I thing we just bought her car for her...she drives newer than us and the tax payer bought it....sheeesh.
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Merc
I know what you mean...the woman I am talking about works "under the table" every weekend to the tune of 60 bucks for 6 hrs and then goes to the local church for food and to pay their bills...
She has over 12 dogs, goats, ducks, chickens, rabbits, but NONE is used for food or to sell...they are PETS...
and yes both her and her hubby smoke and drink....it makes me so friggen angry to know I am actually paying her bills while she sits on her * doing nothing but smoking and drinking...
Sorry again...going to log him out..
Merc
quote:Originally posted by 46270
I am disabled veteran, I live in constant pain, I have problems lifting 10 lbs, when I need to get a few guns from the safe, I have to get the wife to get them out for me, I love to hunt, but cant, because I cant walk far. I have seen a few that claimed to be disabled doing things that really, doing this things, he should not be getting disability pension, but knowing how the system worked. I know one guy that has a heart problem, but he does drive his Harley, I am not going to throw stones, being I live in the glass house. But I does make you wonder.
Talked to a woman today whose hubby is on disability...He is so bad off according to them, that the can hardly walk, but he can get out and ride a harley,...he can lift full 5 gal water bottles ( over 40 pounds) he can go hunting and travel for his favorite sport, which is motocross and he races...
What the hell is wrong with a system that would have ppl on disability that can do all the fun stuff without any problem but cant hold a job????????
Cant the "ones in charge" see the fakers?...the liars?...it really ticks a person off to know WE are paying their bills, their mortgage, cars, toys etc while they are off playing around..
I told her exactly that, and her response?
Well why not milk the system if you can?
I told her cause she is hurting every honest american person who is paying her hubby's disability ..
She said the gov't is paying the disability, not the tax payer...
I told her, and just who the hell do you think pays the gov't????????????????
Ooooopss...sorry its blackroses not classic....he is logged in and I didnt check first..
Something else...she drives a newer car than I do...I mean I really dont care cause I can at least back my truck to a lake and not worry if it gets wet or scratched, but damn, I thing we just bought her car for her...she drives newer than us and the tax payer bought it....sheeesh.
And don't forget about the folks who really do need it, but can't get it. Many. It is all by design. Disability is un-constitutional. That being said, it would be nice if functioned as it is supposed to. But it won't. Governement programs are designed to fail, and to sap ever more resources from the working citizen.
Good to hear a conservative post from you.
people walking with no problem.
my dad has had 1 heart attack, and has copd.
he walks almost as slow as I do.
but you still see people damn near dancing in and out.
I do wonder just how they are disabled.
Usually, outright fraud like that catches up to people. (IF ther is a complaint)
Sometimes, matters of confidentiality can keep Social Services workers from sharing things they know with even the Law Enforcement Agencies.
nothing or something?
If you apply for disability and you are NOT a minority, you ain't going to get it.
Haven't spent much time in Appalachia, have you?
If you apply for disability and you are NOT a minority, you ain't going to get it.
Not true.
edit: unless by minority, you include white trash. Don't think the governement does, though. If you mean a deserving member of the white race, one who actually needs it, then you are correct.
Cant the "ones in charge" see the fakers?...the liars?...it really ticks a person off to know WE are paying their bills, their mortgage, cars, toys etc while they are off playing around..
The "ones in charge" couldn't care less, so long as the gravy train keeps rolling.
The ones who see it everyday are the social workers who have to deal with them....and they either don't have the authority, the resources, or the time to go after someone they may suspect of fraud.
Just the other day a story ran in the paper about a West Virginia woman who had been nailed for Social Security fraud...she had been collecting benefits for a child that she didn't have.
Total fraud: $16,355
Punishment: 5 years PROBATION and she'll have to pay the money back in monthly installments.
If the woman had instead stolen a case of Pepsi from the local Wal-Mart, she'd be thrown in jail...
My thoughts were I was stuck in a room full of moochers looking for the easy dollar, only a couple of them out of about twelve looked like they might need help the rest needed to clean up and get a job and some needed to learn English. Disgusting experience
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Cant the "ones in charge" see the fakers?...the liars?...it really ticks a person off to know WE are paying their bills, their mortgage, cars, toys etc while they are off playing around..
The "ones in charge" couldn't care less, so long as the gravy train keeps rolling.
The ones who see it everyday are the social workers who have to deal with them....and they either don't have the authority, the resources, or the time to go after someone they may suspect of fraud.
Just the other day a story ran in the paper about a West Virginia woman who had been nailed for Social Security fraud...she had been collecting benefits for a child that she didn't have.
Total fraud: $16,355
Punishment: 5 years PROBATION and she'll have to pay the money back in monthly installments.
If the woman had instead stolen a case of Pepsi from the local Wal-Mart, she'd be thrown in jail...
By design.
"Legal" system, not "justice" system.
Nazi Germany had a "legal" system. It hanged and shot the attempted assassin's of their criminal leader.
If you don't, you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Video what they do, send the evidence to the appropriate agency.
Anything less is a cop out.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
I have seen the same thing, here on GB in fact! Don
+ that ...
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
If you apply for disability and you are NOT a minority, you ain't going to get it.
Haven't spent much time in Appalachia, have you?
Maybe not in Appalachia, but several generations in Tennessee, and that's the way it is here. Up in the Northeast, same thing. Florida? Ditto. NOLA? Also, ditto. Southern Kalifornia: Don't know and don't care.
Are there exceptions? Yes, sure, but generally speaking, it's a lot, lot easier to get on disability if you are a minority. Maybe the bureaucrats don't think it's worth fighting a racist rap.
Merc..
I know what you mean...the woman I am talking about works "under the table" every weekend to the tune of 60 bucks for 6 hrs and then goes to the local church for food and to pay their bills...
She has over 12 dogs, goats, ducks, chickens, rabbits, but NONE is used for food or to sell...they are PETS...
She is using her food stamp money at the grocery to buy food for her pets. You can buy baloney and hot dogs but not dog food.
Different situation. But I got fed up real quick with a dumb * drunk woman coming on my property beating her 2 year old Grandson because he "Did not tell her where he was going". The kid would be out playing in the yard with all of the rest of the kids. When here she would sober up enough to go looking for him. Then start beating on him. When I had .enough. I started watching for her with a video camera in my hand and when she started yelling, cursing at and beating on the kid I would record it. "what do you think you are doing?" .... "Nothing but getting a few shots to take to the welfare office. Why?"
The kid nows plays in the yard with the rest and I have not saw her since.
They look at the days I am up and around and say "look he is up and around." They miss the days, weeks or months that I may never leave the house. I went 9 months one time and was not able get out or to see the Dr. I hunt in my yard from my wheelchair, and even that is to much for me most years now. I have livestock but I dont care for them that is done by others, I let them feed some stock on my grass for them caring for all the critters.
I know I am not in it for the money, I get in one month les than what I was making per week when working. I miss having a few dollars in my pocket to just spend as I see fit.
For me I get most of my shooting related items through trade, most of the time it is my small tractor that gets used for the items I need. I have bought 2 guns in the last 7 years, and that was mostly do to luck. Dont tell everyone but one was a Hi Point.
When my Dr finally said I needed to apply for S.S. it took 29 months to get approved, even with the S.S. Dr's saying we cant fix him. The denied me based on my age.
I know folks who apply and get a check a couple months later and I often wonderd what they claimed was wrong, because like many they have no outward apperance of ill health.
The S.S people just dont seem to care.
Here is an excample, I got a copy of a bill for just over $800 for a Dr I never saw, never had any Dr of that type. I called the number on the back of the Medicare letter and told them it must be a mistake and told them why. Two months later I got notice they paid the bill anyway.
My wife cares for me daily, she gets a small paycheck from the State because it is cheaper than having me in a home. (I would have to chained down) Now with her having CHF we are in a real bind. Does she apply for S.S. and wait many many months to find out she is denied and must keep trying? What do we do for money while this is going on? We lost everything but our house when I applied for S.S. .
I agree the system needs a lot of work and it would seem like the cost of cutting off the scammers would pay for the investigators to find them.
I have had folks tell me I am scamming the Fed Gov.
They look at the days I am up and around and say "look he is up and around." They miss the days, weeks or months that I may never leave the house. I went 9 months one time and was not able get out or to see the Dr. I hunt in my yard from my wheelchair, and even that is to much for me most years now. I have livestock but I dont care for them that is done by others, I let them feed some stock on my grass for them caring for all the critters.
I know I am not in it for the money, I get in one month les than what I was making per week when working. I miss having a few dollars in my pocket to just spend as I see fit.
For me I get most of my shooting related items through trade, most of the time it is my small tractor that gets used for the items I need. I have bought 2 guns in the last 7 years, and that was mostly do to luck. Dont tell everyone but one was a Hi Point.
When my Dr finally said I needed to apply for S.S. it took 29 months to get approved, even with the S.S. Dr's saying we cant fix him. The denied me based on my age.
I know folks who apply and get a check a couple months later and I often wonderd what they claimed was wrong, because like many they have no outward apperance of ill health.
The S.S people just dont seem to care.
Here is an excample, I got a copy of a bill for just over $800 for a Dr I never saw, never had any Dr of that type. I called the number on the back of the Medicare letter and told them it must be a mistake and told them why. Two months later I got notice they paid the bill anyway.
My wife cares for me daily, she gets a small paycheck from the State because it is cheaper than having me in a home. (I would have to chained down) Now with her having CHF we are in a real bind. Does she apply for S.S. and wait many many months to find out she is denied and must keep trying? What do we do for money while this is going on? We lost everything but our house when I applied for S.S. .
I agree the system needs a lot of work and it would seem like the cost of cutting off the scammers would pay for the investigators to find them.
There are worse stories than yours, Dave. I'm sure you know this, but most don't.
And as TC's amended reply said, if you are minority, no delays.
Three years ago I had a bad injury to my leg. It was broken at the knee, all kinds of soft tissue damage, the leg was crushed under a big pine tree.
I was on crutches for 3 months after the surgery, that surgery went bad, after 8 months was back on crutches, 6 months later had a second surgery, total knee replacement.
I was as disabled as a person can get, as my work is construction and home remodeling. So I should have gotten disability.
I went to talk to one of these SSI disability lawyers who advertise in the newspaper.
She told me that it would take yet another year for me to get SSI.
But, we would have to go before a judge, with medical proof that I was disabled.
If I showed up before the judge on crutches, or better yet in a wheelchair, with a note from the doc, I would be in like Flint.
Since, a year ahead, I was planning to be healthy again, it was no use trying.
But, this gal asked me if I ever felt depressed. I told her "Hell yes I get depressed, I am on crutches and can't work."
She said she could set me up with a psychiatrist, she gave me the names of 3 psychiatrists that she worked with.
She said that after 6 months of seeing the shrink she could get me disability based on depression. I would get $900 a month from then on.
Of course, I would have to keep seeing the shrink, once a month or whatever, in order to keep my benefits renewed every few years.
In other words, she was coaching me on how to commit SSI fraud.
I mean, who doesn't get depressed? I didn't want to see a shrink and take meds, I just wanted my knee to get better. Once I could work again I wouldn't be depressed.
So I took a pass on the psychiatrist deal.
Anyway, it is a screwed up system, I should have gotten disability benefits for over 2 years when I was physically disabled, but couldn't get them, but was offered the chance to get bogus disability benefits for life.
The other peeve I have is the dude with the disabled parking sticker. Parks in the disabled spot and sprints in the rain into the store..
I have personally called, written, and gone to the welfare office here with reports of People who were abusing the system, nothing was done, no investigation, Zero, Zip, Nada, The same sponges are still soaking up the bennies.
The other peeve I have is the dude with the disabled parking sticker. Parks in the disabled spot and sprints in the rain into the store..
The ones that chap my butt are the teenagers who drive Grammas car and park in the disabled spots.
Instead of sniveling, take action.
Not from the GB sewing circle [}:)]
Yes, we have QUITE the "disabled" hunter right here on GB! Pisses me off. I'm working 70-80 hours PER WEEK to make ends meet, and HE gets to sit around, drink beer, and go hunting! GRRRRRRRRRRRR[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
Merc
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