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Fun and Games in Georgia Prisons
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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Cell phone photo sheds light on prison culture and contraband problem
3:06 p.m. Monday, March 30, 2015 | Filed in: Local News
COMMENTS 6
#65279;
Disgusting.
Barbaric.
Who cares?
Cell phone photo sheds light on prison culture and contraband problem photo
Correction officials confirmed Monday that Cortez Berry, serving 8-years on a robbery charge, is the man kneeling in this photo taken at the Burruss Correctional Training Center. Officials are investigating the situation.
Those are some of the comments surrounding what appears to be a degrading image smuggled out of the Burruss Correctional Training Center in Forsyth, Ga., of an 18-year-old prisoner. In one disturbing frame, the horrors of prison life are exposed, while also revealing the prison system's ongoing struggle to keep them free of cell phones and other contraband.
It looks like a scene from the television show "Oz."
Or, something out of ISIS.
Cortez Berry is seen passively kneeling before the camera.
His left eye is shut from an obvious beating.
A makeshift leash is around his neck.
A man with a white hat on holds the leash. It is wrapped around his left hand, as one would do to hold a dog tight. Another man points at the camera as if holding a gun.
They are all shirtless.
Gwendolyn Hogan, a spokesperson for the Georgia Department of Corrections, confirmed that it was Berry in the photograph. She wouldn't comment on when the photo was taken, who took it or who the other men in the photo were, as all of that information is part of an ongoing investigation.
"We are fully aware of that photo and currently investigating," Hogan said Monday afternoon.
The photo has been circulating on social media since at least Friday. Austin Rhodes, a radio talk show host in Augusta, said that on Sunday night, he received the photograph from "friends and family" of Berry, who had tried unsuccessfully to share it with television news outlets in Augusta. Rhodes posted it on The Austin Rhodes Show's Facebook page and it exploded.
"They said they wanted attention and I said you are gonna get it," Rhodes said.
As of 2:10 p.m. Monday, more than 1,000 people had commented on two posts he made about it.
- Bee Angie Bee: "This is sad.. But they youngins need to realize "being about that life" is truly not the life you want to live. Sad he is being put in the predicament he is in..but he made his bed..now he must lie in it..
- Greg Lazenby: "Wait how are they able to take pictures? Guards should be fired!"
- Lee Marion: "Perhaps he'll remember this experience before he breaks the law again."
- Ladybugg Carpenter: "Damn that's sad!! What did he do to make them treat him this way!!"
"My heart sank when I saw the picture," Berry's mother Demetria Harris said. "I was yelling, hollering and screaming. I got on the phone immediately and called down there."
On Friday Berry's aunt, Shavondria Wright of Jonesboro, drove to Forsyth to try to visit her nephew. She said the "beatings started" around 3:30 p.m. on March 27. She was at the prison by 9:30 p.m.
"When I saw him, I was just so hurt," Wright said. "I was in tears to see his face like that."
Wright said Berry told her that he was jumped by about 10 others after he refused to join their gang.
"What I don't understand is why they put the leash around his neck," Wright said, adding that her nephew is now in protective custody.
In 2014, when Southern Center for Human Rights (SCHR) released it's "The Crisis of Violence in Georgia's Prisons" report about the rise in violence, torture, and homicides in the Georgia prison system, one of the most re-occurring themes was the use of cell phones to commit crimes and extort people.
Berry's mother said there was never an attempt to extort her family.
Someone simply posted the photo of her oldest son on Facebook.
"Cell phones are often used to commit and plan crimes outside of prison, but also to incite violence and to extort family members who are incarcerated," said Sarah Geraghty, a senior attorney with the SCHR. "We hear from family members all the time that they will receive a text picture of their loved ones, who have been beaten with the message, `pay us money or something will happen.' There is a crisis in security in the Georgia prison system. Every prisoner has or had access to a cell phone."
In 2012, the AJC reported that corrections officials confiscated more than 8,700 illegal cellphones the year before. In 2013, NBC News reported that, in 2012, 13,500 cellphones were confiscated from Georgia prisons.
"First and foremost, the Department does not tolerate contraband and takes very seriously its mission of protecting the public and running safe and secure facilities," Hogan said. "The problem plaguing the corrections system nationwide is one that the [Georgia DOC] is aware of and continuously works to utilize extensive resources to combat this issue."
Hogan said in October 2011, the DOC purchased several products to help facilities detect cellphones and electronics. As of July, 2012, all facilities were fully equipped, she said.
She said the department - at select facilities - has also instituted a cell phone access management system which prohibits unlawfully possessed cell phone from operating within facilities; installed infrared cameras to detect them; and have started to use low dosage body scanners to check staff and visitors for contraband.
"It is hard to see it on the Internet," Wright said. "But in this situation, I am kind of grateful that they had contraband, or we wouldn't have known about this."
None of that seems to have helped Berry, who wasn't exactly a Boy Scout.
The 18-year-old Augusta native began serving an eight-year bid on March 31, 2014 on an aggravated assault charge.
In 2011, when he was only 14-years-old, he was arrested for armed robbery and carjacking and sent to the Richmond County Youth Detention Center.
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Cell phone photo sheds light on prison culture and contraband problem
3:06 p.m. Monday, March 30, 2015 | Filed in: Local News
COMMENTS 6
#65279;
Disgusting.
Barbaric.
Who cares?
Cell phone photo sheds light on prison culture and contraband problem photo
Correction officials confirmed Monday that Cortez Berry, serving 8-years on a robbery charge, is the man kneeling in this photo taken at the Burruss Correctional Training Center. Officials are investigating the situation.
Those are some of the comments surrounding what appears to be a degrading image smuggled out of the Burruss Correctional Training Center in Forsyth, Ga., of an 18-year-old prisoner. In one disturbing frame, the horrors of prison life are exposed, while also revealing the prison system's ongoing struggle to keep them free of cell phones and other contraband.
It looks like a scene from the television show "Oz."
Or, something out of ISIS.
Cortez Berry is seen passively kneeling before the camera.
His left eye is shut from an obvious beating.
A makeshift leash is around his neck.
A man with a white hat on holds the leash. It is wrapped around his left hand, as one would do to hold a dog tight. Another man points at the camera as if holding a gun.
They are all shirtless.
Gwendolyn Hogan, a spokesperson for the Georgia Department of Corrections, confirmed that it was Berry in the photograph. She wouldn't comment on when the photo was taken, who took it or who the other men in the photo were, as all of that information is part of an ongoing investigation.
"We are fully aware of that photo and currently investigating," Hogan said Monday afternoon.
The photo has been circulating on social media since at least Friday. Austin Rhodes, a radio talk show host in Augusta, said that on Sunday night, he received the photograph from "friends and family" of Berry, who had tried unsuccessfully to share it with television news outlets in Augusta. Rhodes posted it on The Austin Rhodes Show's Facebook page and it exploded.
"They said they wanted attention and I said you are gonna get it," Rhodes said.
As of 2:10 p.m. Monday, more than 1,000 people had commented on two posts he made about it.
- Bee Angie Bee: "This is sad.. But they youngins need to realize "being about that life" is truly not the life you want to live. Sad he is being put in the predicament he is in..but he made his bed..now he must lie in it..
- Greg Lazenby: "Wait how are they able to take pictures? Guards should be fired!"
- Lee Marion: "Perhaps he'll remember this experience before he breaks the law again."
- Ladybugg Carpenter: "Damn that's sad!! What did he do to make them treat him this way!!"
"My heart sank when I saw the picture," Berry's mother Demetria Harris said. "I was yelling, hollering and screaming. I got on the phone immediately and called down there."
On Friday Berry's aunt, Shavondria Wright of Jonesboro, drove to Forsyth to try to visit her nephew. She said the "beatings started" around 3:30 p.m. on March 27. She was at the prison by 9:30 p.m.
"When I saw him, I was just so hurt," Wright said. "I was in tears to see his face like that."
Wright said Berry told her that he was jumped by about 10 others after he refused to join their gang.
"What I don't understand is why they put the leash around his neck," Wright said, adding that her nephew is now in protective custody.
In 2014, when Southern Center for Human Rights (SCHR) released it's "The Crisis of Violence in Georgia's Prisons" report about the rise in violence, torture, and homicides in the Georgia prison system, one of the most re-occurring themes was the use of cell phones to commit crimes and extort people.
Berry's mother said there was never an attempt to extort her family.
Someone simply posted the photo of her oldest son on Facebook.
"Cell phones are often used to commit and plan crimes outside of prison, but also to incite violence and to extort family members who are incarcerated," said Sarah Geraghty, a senior attorney with the SCHR. "We hear from family members all the time that they will receive a text picture of their loved ones, who have been beaten with the message, `pay us money or something will happen.' There is a crisis in security in the Georgia prison system. Every prisoner has or had access to a cell phone."
In 2012, the AJC reported that corrections officials confiscated more than 8,700 illegal cellphones the year before. In 2013, NBC News reported that, in 2012, 13,500 cellphones were confiscated from Georgia prisons.
"First and foremost, the Department does not tolerate contraband and takes very seriously its mission of protecting the public and running safe and secure facilities," Hogan said. "The problem plaguing the corrections system nationwide is one that the [Georgia DOC] is aware of and continuously works to utilize extensive resources to combat this issue."
Hogan said in October 2011, the DOC purchased several products to help facilities detect cellphones and electronics. As of July, 2012, all facilities were fully equipped, she said.
She said the department - at select facilities - has also instituted a cell phone access management system which prohibits unlawfully possessed cell phone from operating within facilities; installed infrared cameras to detect them; and have started to use low dosage body scanners to check staff and visitors for contraband.
"It is hard to see it on the Internet," Wright said. "But in this situation, I am kind of grateful that they had contraband, or we wouldn't have known about this."
None of that seems to have helped Berry, who wasn't exactly a Boy Scout.
The 18-year-old Augusta native began serving an eight-year bid on March 31, 2014 on an aggravated assault charge.
In 2011, when he was only 14-years-old, he was arrested for armed robbery and carjacking and sent to the Richmond County Youth Detention Center.
Comments
it would have made the news a 100x over
thank goodness that was not a couple white boys holding the belt .
it would have made the news a 100x over
+1
Those are animals and the product of their "culture"[xx(]
Livin' snot stomped out of them? Tough poop.
Mop handle shoved up their butt? Suck it up princess, learn to enjoy it.
Get your throat cut in your sleep? My heart bleening heart bleeds for you.
Yeah. I'm one black hearted sumbitch where two legged animals are concerned.
I wonder what some of you would say if it was a bunch of white boys, or 2 white guys with a black dude leashed?
Most would say the same things that have already been said.
Call me callous but unlike the creatures in a zoo, those animals Earned their cage time. They get what they have coming.
Livin' snot stomped out of them? Tough poop.
Mop handle shoved up their butt? Suck it up princess, learn to enjoy it.
Get your throat cut in your sleep? My heart bleening heart bleeds for you.
Yeah. I'm one black hearted sumbitch where two legged animals are concerned.
I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of. However a good percentage of prisoners are there for nothing more than violation of religious moral codes that have been placed on the book as criminal laws. These people no more deserve prison than you do.
By making violation of religious morals criminal offenses we destroy individual liberty and in reality are no better than the Muslims we rail against who do the same things. While the offenses and the punishments differ, the ideology is the same. My morals are the correct one and if you do not agree I will punish you even if you have harmed no one.
While there are plenty of low life POS is prison, just being in prison does not make a person deserve what you list. Unless of course you believe anyone who does not agree with your morals deserves it, which is exactly the way the radical Muslims operate.
There are many people in the USA in prison for offenses that did not harm another person or another persons property. What makes you believe these people deserve the kind of things you wrote?
I wonder what some of you would say if it was a bunch of white boys, or 2 white guys with a black dude leashed?
Couldn't bleening care less if you bleached them all lily white or dyed them green and gave'em purple polkadots. They're all the same level of sub-human that prey on others.
quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
Call me callous but unlike the creatures in a zoo, those animals Earned their cage time. They get what they have coming.
Livin' snot stomped out of them? Tough poop.
Mop handle shoved up their butt? Suck it up princess, learn to enjoy it.
Get your throat cut in your sleep? My heart bleening heart bleeds for you.
Yeah. I'm one black hearted sumbitch where two legged animals are concerned.
I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of. However a good percentage of prisoners are there for nothing more than violation of religious moral codes that have been placed on the book as criminal laws. These people no more deserve prison than you do.
By making violation of religious morals criminal offenses we destroy individual liberty and in reality are no better than the Muslims we rail against who do the same things. While the offenses and the punishments differ, the ideology is the same. My morals are the correct one and if you do not agree I will punish you even if you have harmed no one.
While there are plenty of low life POS is prison, just being in prison does not make a person deserve what you list. Unless of course you believe anyone who does not agree with your morals deserves it, which is exactly the way the radical Muslims operate.
There are many people in the USA in prison for offenses that did not harm another person or another persons property. What makes you believe these people deserve the kind of things you wrote?
Religious morals like murder, rape, child abuse? That is a broad brush you are using.
Just where do you call the line on this?
As to why this one guy is in prison, no idea.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
Call me callous but unlike the creatures in a zoo, those animals Earned their cage time. They get what they have coming.
Livin' snot stomped out of them? Tough poop.
Mop handle shoved up their butt? Suck it up princess, learn to enjoy it.
Get your throat cut in your sleep? My heart bleening heart bleeds for you.
Yeah. I'm one black hearted sumbitch where two legged animals are concerned.
I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of. However a good percentage of prisoners are there for nothing more than violation of religious moral codes that have been placed on the book as criminal laws. These people no more deserve prison than you do.
By making violation of religious morals criminal offenses we destroy individual liberty and in reality are no better than the Muslims we rail against who do the same things. While the offenses and the punishments differ, the ideology is the same. My morals are the correct one and if you do not agree I will punish you even if you have harmed no one.
While there are plenty of low life POS is prison, just being in prison does not make a person deserve what you list. Unless of course you believe anyone who does not agree with your morals deserves it, which is exactly the way the radical Muslims operate.
There are many people in the USA in prison for offenses that did not harm another person or another persons property. What makes you believe these people deserve the kind of things you wrote?
Religious morals like murder, rape, child abuse? That is a broad brush you are using.
Just where do you call the line on this?
As to why this one guy is in prison, no idea.
The line is simple, only acts that actually harm another or another's property should be considered for possible criminal acts. Not maybe, not possibly, not could or could have, but did. That is protecting an individual's person and property, which involves individual rights not religious interpretations.
Understand I am not condoning some of the behavior in question, only saying it is not right to make them criminal offenses.
quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
Call me callous but unlike the creatures in a zoo, those animals Earned their cage time. They get what they have coming.
Livin' snot stomped out of them? Tough poop.
Mop handle shoved up their butt? Suck it up princess, learn to enjoy it.
Get your throat cut in your sleep? My heart bleening heart bleeds for you.
Yeah. I'm one black hearted sumbitch where two legged animals are concerned.
I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of. However a good percentage of prisoners are there for nothing more than violation of religious moral codes that have been placed on the book as criminal laws. These people no more deserve prison than you do.
By making violation of religious morals criminal offenses we destroy individual liberty and in reality are no better than the Muslims we rail against who do the same things. While the offenses and the punishments differ, the ideology is the same. My morals are the correct one and if you do not agree I will punish you even if you have harmed no one.
While there are plenty of low life POS is prison, just being in prison does not make a person deserve what you list. Unless of course you believe anyone who does not agree with your morals deserves it, which is exactly the way the radical Muslims operate.
There are many people in the USA in prison for offenses that did not harm another person or another persons property. What makes you believe these people deserve the kind of things you wrote?
"None of that seems to have helped Berry, who wasn't exactly a Boy Scout.
The 18-year-old Augusta native began serving an eight-year bid on March 31, 2014 on an aggravated assault charge.
In 2011, when he was only 14-years-old, he was arrested for armed robbery and carjacking and sent to the Richmond County Youth Detention Center."
1) Read the article.
2) Read the article.
3) After reading the article, tell us how 'aggravated assault', 'armed robbery', and/or 'carjacking' is some violation of an unnamed "religious moral code".
Laws are based on the agreed upon social mores of a civilization. Don't like them? Work to change them.
Until they are changed, they are the rules we all live by, and if you break them, your fellow citizens will toss your * in jail and not worry too awful much about your fellow animals not playing nice.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
Call me callous but unlike the creatures in a zoo, those animals Earned their cage time. They get what they have coming.
Livin' snot stomped out of them? Tough poop.
Mop handle shoved up their butt? Suck it up princess, learn to enjoy it.
Get your throat cut in your sleep? My heart bleening heart bleeds for you.
Yeah. I'm one black hearted sumbitch where two legged animals are concerned.
I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of. However a good percentage of prisoners are there for nothing more than violation of religious moral codes that have been placed on the book as criminal laws. These people no more deserve prison than you do.
By making violation of religious morals criminal offenses we destroy individual liberty and in reality are no better than the Muslims we rail against who do the same things. While the offenses and the punishments differ, the ideology is the same. My morals are the correct one and if you do not agree I will punish you even if you have harmed no one.
While there are plenty of low life POS is prison, just being in prison does not make a person deserve what you list. Unless of course you believe anyone who does not agree with your morals deserves it, which is exactly the way the radical Muslims operate.
There are many people in the USA in prison for offenses that did not harm another person or another persons property. What makes you believe these people deserve the kind of things you wrote?
"None of that seems to have helped Berry, who wasn't exactly a Boy Scout.
The 18-year-old Augusta native began serving an eight-year bid on March 31, 2014 on an aggravated assault charge.
In 2011, when he was only 14-years-old, he was arrested for armed robbery and carjacking and sent to the Richmond County Youth Detention Center."
1) Read the article.
2) Read the article.
3) After reading the article, tell us how 'aggravated assault', 'armed robbery', and/or 'carjacking' is some violation of an unnamed "religious moral code".
Laws are based on the agreed upon social mores of a civilization. Don't like them? Work to change them.
Until they are changed, they are the rules we all live by, and if you break them, your fellow citizens will toss your * in jail and not worry too awful much about your fellow animals not playing nice.
1) Read my statement
2) Read my statement
3) Read what I was replying to.
Not all people in prison are there for having harmed another person or another person property. What this individual is in for does not alter that nor the statement I was replying to.
As for changing the rules, that requires bringing to light what is wrong with our current criminal codes. That is exactly what my point is.
I think that means he harmed somebody.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
Call me callous but unlike the creatures in a zoo, those animals Earned their cage time. They get what they have coming.
Livin' snot stomped out of them? Tough poop.
Mop handle shoved up their butt? Suck it up princess, learn to enjoy it.
Get your throat cut in your sleep? My heart bleening heart bleeds for you.
Yeah. I'm one black hearted sumbitch where two legged animals are concerned.
I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of. However a good percentage of prisoners are there for nothing more than violation of religious moral codes that have been placed on the book as criminal laws. These people no more deserve prison than you do.
By making violation of religious morals criminal offenses we destroy individual liberty and in reality are no better than the Muslims we rail against who do the same things. While the offenses and the punishments differ, the ideology is the same. My morals are the correct one and if you do not agree I will punish you even if you have harmed no one.
While there are plenty of low life POS is prison, just being in prison does not make a person deserve what you list. Unless of course you believe anyone who does not agree with your morals deserves it, which is exactly the way the radical Muslims operate.
There are many people in the USA in prison for offenses that did not harm another person or another persons property. What makes you believe these people deserve the kind of things you wrote?
"None of that seems to have helped Berry, who wasn't exactly a Boy Scout.
The 18-year-old Augusta native began serving an eight-year bid on March 31, 2014 on an aggravated assault charge.
In 2011, when he was only 14-years-old, he was arrested for armed robbery and carjacking and sent to the Richmond County Youth Detention Center."
1) Read the article.
2) Read the article.
3) After reading the article, tell us how 'aggravated assault', 'armed robbery', and/or 'carjacking' is some violation of an unnamed "religious moral code".
Laws are based on the agreed upon social mores of a civilization. Don't like them? Work to change them.
Until they are changed, they are the rules we all live by, and if you break them, your fellow citizens will toss your * in jail and not worry too awful much about your fellow animals not playing nice.
1) Read my statement
2) Read my statement
3) Read what I was replying to.
Not all people in prison are there for having harmed another person or another person property. What this individual is in for does not alter that nor the statement I was replying to.
As for changing the rules, that requires bringing to light what is wrong with our current criminal codes. That is exactly what my point is.
I did read your statement. You said "I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of." The answer to your query is right in the article.
As to changing laws, the last I looked, commenting on an InterWeb Forum will NOT result in any change, in any location, for anyone. Barking at the Moon will do as much good.
I know this, because I have to go to the state capitol later today and testify at a hearing on a set of bills I am promoting to change the law in my area.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
Call me callous but unlike the creatures in a zoo, those animals Earned their cage time. They get what they have coming.
Livin' snot stomped out of them? Tough poop.
Mop handle shoved up their butt? Suck it up princess, learn to enjoy it.
Get your throat cut in your sleep? My heart bleening heart bleeds for you.
Yeah. I'm one black hearted sumbitch where two legged animals are concerned.
I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of. However a good percentage of prisoners are there for nothing more than violation of religious moral codes that have been placed on the book as criminal laws. These people no more deserve prison than you do.
By making violation of religious morals criminal offenses we destroy individual liberty and in reality are no better than the Muslims we rail against who do the same things. While the offenses and the punishments differ, the ideology is the same. My morals are the correct one and if you do not agree I will punish you even if you have harmed no one.
While there are plenty of low life POS is prison, just being in prison does not make a person deserve what you list. Unless of course you believe anyone who does not agree with your morals deserves it, which is exactly the way the radical Muslims operate.
There are many people in the USA in prison for offenses that did not harm another person or another persons property. What makes you believe these people deserve the kind of things you wrote?
"None of that seems to have helped Berry, who wasn't exactly a Boy Scout.
The 18-year-old Augusta native began serving an eight-year bid on March 31, 2014 on an aggravated assault charge.
In 2011, when he was only 14-years-old, he was arrested for armed robbery and carjacking and sent to the Richmond County Youth Detention Center."
1) Read the article.
2) Read the article.
3) After reading the article, tell us how 'aggravated assault', 'armed robbery', and/or 'carjacking' is some violation of an unnamed "religious moral code".
Laws are based on the agreed upon social mores of a civilization. Don't like them? Work to change them.
Until they are changed, they are the rules we all live by, and if you break them, your fellow citizens will toss your * in jail and not worry too awful much about your fellow animals not playing nice.
1) Read my statement
2) Read my statement
3) Read what I was replying to.
Not all people in prison are there for having harmed another person or another person property. What this individual is in for does not alter that nor the statement I was replying to.
As for changing the rules, that requires bringing to light what is wrong with our current criminal codes. That is exactly what my point is.
I did read your statement. You said "I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of." The answer to your query is right in the article.
As to changing laws, the last I looked, commenting on an InterWeb Forum will NOT result in any change, in any location, for anyone. Barking at the Moon will do as much good.
I know this, because I have to go to the state capitol later today and testify at a hearing on a set of bills I am promoting to change the law in my area.
That wasn't a query nor was I looking for an answer for why he was in prison, because it was irrelevant to my post addressing what someone deserves for simply being in prison. The only reason I posted that line was to clarify that very point so as not to confuse anyone with my response. Having read my post again I fail to see how it should have been taken any other way had it been read as written. One need not agree with my post to have understood the point involved.
Kudos to you for investing your time to change what you believe should be changed. Steps like that are necessary in the process. Also necessary are the little exchanges that happen on a daily basis between people in many settings. One of those setting in today's communication happens to be forums of this nature. Those setting also include, the morning breakfast counter, the water cooler, the local watering hole, living rooms, and kitchen tables just to name a few. I am sure what ever laws you are going to the capital to address have been discussed in many settings such as those listed. Without those little discussions there would never be a need for hearings in the capitol.
Non of them are guilty. They were all railroaded by a racist society.
quote:Originally posted by asphalt cowboy
Call me callous but unlike the creatures in a zoo, those animals Earned their cage time. They get what they have coming.
Livin' snot stomped out of them? Tough poop.
Mop handle shoved up their butt? Suck it up princess, learn to enjoy it.
Get your throat cut in your sleep? My heart bleening heart bleeds for you.
Yeah. I'm one black hearted sumbitch where two legged animals are concerned.
I have no idea what this particular person did to be placed in prison or what he may or may not be capable of. However a good percentage of prisoners are there for nothing more than violation of religious moral codes that have been placed on the book as criminal laws. These people no more deserve prison than you do.
By making violation of religious morals criminal offenses we destroy individual liberty and in reality are no better than the Muslims we rail against who do the same things. While the offenses and the punishments differ, the ideology is the same. My morals are the correct one and if you do not agree I will punish you even if you have harmed no one.
While there are plenty of low life POS is prison, just being in prison does not make a person deserve what you list. Unless of course you believe anyone who does not agree with your morals deserves it, which is exactly the way the radical Muslims operate.
There are many people in the USA in prison for offenses that did not harm another person or another persons property. What makes you believe these people deserve the kind of things you wrote?
None of that seems to have helped Berry, who wasn't exactly a Boy Scout.
The 18-year-old Augusta native began serving an eight-year bid on March 31, 2014 on an aggravated assault charge.
In 2011, when he was only 14-years-old, he was arrested for armed robbery and carjacking and sent to the Richmond County Youth Detention Center.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Another Georgia prison not too far from me caught a guy 2 miles down the road flying a drone dropping phones, cigarettes and other contra-ban over the exercise yard (can you imagine the results of dropping a pistol), just another reason to be concerned about drones [;)].
Easy to fix. As to cell phones and drones can be made to not work by jamming around prisons.
And prisons are there because the people in them cannot get along with the rest of society. Aborent behavior is the norm.
So to expect anything else is a sure sign of insanity.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
Some of the above confirms I'm still the insufferable azzhole I've always been. I can still instigate a good piss'n match without even being a participant.
I have, truly, been pondering what morality offences might earn someone time in state or federal lockup and come up empty. Maybe I'm just not thinking deeply enough. I can't even come up with one with "no harm no foul" that would earn time in county lockup.
In jail, and showing that attitude.
Flashing gang signs and demonstrating dominance.
It is clear that these people will not be rehabilitated by imprisonment, and upon release will just be that much more arrogant and aggressive.
Fry them now.
Or are you just generalizing and espousing some PC rhetoric?
Please enumerate the "religious moral codes" and the "good percentage" you are talking about.
Or are you just generalizing and espousing some PC rhetoric?
Actually to be politically correct I would have to go along with what seems to be the general consensus of this thread.
There are roughly 4,000,000 people arrested across this country for consensual crimes each year. Over 750,000 people imprisoned and more than 3,000,000 on some form of parole or probation. These are people who's crime did no physical harm to anyone other than themselves. These include, most drug related arrests, most prostitution arrests, many alcohol related arrests among other consensual crimes (often referred to as victim-less crimes).
All this is public information for anyone who wishes to look into it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain't_Nobody's_Business_If_You_Do
May I suggest reading this book. While I do not agree with everything written in it and I am quite sure I would probably not have enjoyed the authors company on a regular basis (he is now dead) that does not take away from the message as a whole or mute his well made points.
They all look like good Christain scholars like the media portrays-
Kinda like the "3 strikes" laws......except permanent.
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
There is too much paperwork to do when inmates kill each other.
On another note; have prisons ever considered many more cameras of their own to watch the resident detritus with cell phones and other contraband? Getting the violent predators to stop being predators is impossible. The best you can do is stop them from killing each other en masse during their time of three squares and color TV vacations.
There is too much paperwork to do when inmates kill each other.
It's a hard situation, prisons are overloaded and understaffed. The problem with that is the scum of the prison population isn't being watched well to be kept in line and are often released before they should be to make room for those coming in.
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
Capt. I do not think you can find anywhere in my 9+ years on this forum where I have ever written that crimes against, or abuse of, children was victim-less or acceptable. Nor do I think drunk and driving, or high and driving, should not be considered a crime.
Yes I read the original post. My posts were directed responses to comments posted and were not made in defense of those portrayed in the opening post. I thought I made that clear, perhaps I did not.
On that point, you're on solid ground.
I can't speak for others, but it was clear to me.
What I have a hard time accepting is the idea of Victimless Crime. I have a hard time wrapping my head around how anyone could come up with such an idea.
I'll offer a scenario.
Joe Butthead buys meth from John knothead. If it weren't for all the J. Buttheads contributing to J. knotheads criminal activities, J. knothead would be out of business. With no knotheads supplying meth we wouldn't have children becoming meth heads nor would we have desperate Buttheads breaking into peoples homes to finance their habit.
Now, I realize we don't live in a world where unicorns farts smell like roses, so. When criminals step on their dick, they're due the consequences they brought on themselves.
I could easily paint the same picture with hookers, johns and syphilis.
It's just the way I view the world and people who tend to bleen up.