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1898 Pre Firearm

Joes Custom GunsJoes Custom Guns Member Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 2013 in General Discussion
If You Sporterise an older Gun before 1899 does it then become as
Firearm.
Like a 1891 Masuer, New Stock, drill and tap for scope, turn the bolt handle and reshape the barrel.
What dose it take for it to become a Fiream.?
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  • mark christianmark christian Member Posts: 24,443 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    An antique firearm is an antique and it makes no differnce what you manage to do to it. You could even make it World Class and it would still be an antique.
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  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,025 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Joes Custom Guns
    What dose it take for it to become a Fiream.?



    Another r. Don
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  • bigoutsidebigoutside Member Posts: 19,443 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcon12
    quote:Originally posted by Joes Custom Guns
    What dose it take for it to become a Fiream.?



    Another r. Don


    Perfection.
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  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
    quote:Originally posted by dcon12
    quote:Originally posted by Joes Custom Guns
    What dose it take for it to become a Fiream.?



    Another r. Don


    Perfection.
    Can't get nuthin' past Don...
    Not even Worls Class Stuff.
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  • ruger41ruger41 Member Posts: 14,665 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Only makes a difference on C&R guns...change the stock on a Curio & Relic gun and it no longer is C&R eligible.
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  • babunbabun Member Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    See this gun...
    http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=334923049

    As NO model 1891's from Loewe, can be from 1898 or later, this fine sporter is NOT a firearm, and can legally be sent to a legal buyer directly. NO FFL is Needed.
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  • retroxler58retroxler58 Member Posts: 32,693 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by babun
    See this gun...
    http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=334923049

    As NO model 1891's from Loewe, can be from 1898 or later, this fine sporter is NOT a firearm, and can legally be sent to a legal buyer directly. NO FFL is Needed.
    So... No FFL is required? [:p]
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  • babunbabun Member Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
    quote:Originally posted by babun
    See this gun...
    http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=334923049

    As NO model 1891's from Loewe, can be from 1898 or later, this fine sporter is NOT a firearm, and can legally be sent to a legal buyer directly. NO FFL is Needed.
    So... No FFL is required? [:p]


    That's correct. Any model 1891 made in Loewe, Berlin must have been made BEFORE 1898.
    here is a good list and some reading to do...

    http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIID2a1.html

    If you get to the Mauser listings you will see that many guns made at DWM
    are not Pre-1898. BUT any thing made In Loewe Is.
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  • Old-ColtsOld-Colts Member Posts: 22,697 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcon12
    quote:Originally posted by Joes Custom Guns
    What dose it take for it to become a Fiream.?Another r. DonArrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

    If you can't feel the music; it's only pink noise!

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  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Did I miss and its Pirates day[:o)]
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  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah Baby!
    quote:Originally posted by dcon12
    quote:Originally posted by Joes Custom Guns
    What dose it take for it to become a Fiream.?



    Another r. Don
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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  • pietro75pietro75 Member Posts: 7,048 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mogley98
    Yeah Baby!
    quote:Originally posted by dcon12
    quote:Originally posted by Joes Custom Guns
    What dose it take for it to become a Fiream.?



    Another r. Don



    Yeah but, what dose?
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  • CapnMidnightCapnMidnight Member Posts: 8,038 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK OK, you guys have convinced me, I'll change the auction.
    I just damn sure don't want to get my tit in a ringer, so to speak.
    I do my very best not to get sideways of "them folks at the guvment".
    W.D.
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  • 35 Whelen35 Whelen Member Posts: 14,307 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    When I think of rifles such a the '91 Mauser, the first thing that comes to mind is the weakness of the action, compared to others like the '98. Oh, sure, a '91 would likely look quite nice once customized properly, but I just can't help but wonder why anyone would go to the trouble, knowing that particular action will never let you fully realize the capability of whatever high-powered round you decide to go with.

    Call me crazy if you will. Tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Were I to build a custom rifle, the '91 Mauser action would surely fall near the bottom of the list of available actions suitable for the job.
    An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.
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  • CapnMidnightCapnMidnight Member Posts: 8,038 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 7.62X53 has pretty good balistics for a deer rifle, recoil isn't bad. That rifle was sporterized back in the 60s by the look of the stock. It made a pretty good kids rifle for the price of a stock and drilling and taping. A Weaver K4, mounts and rings, your ready for the woods. I would doubt, especialy if who ever did it had any skills, that they had $100 invested in the whole package.
    W.D.
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  • MIKE WISKEYMIKE WISKEY Member Posts: 10,042 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    "but I just can't help but wonder why anyone would go to the trouble, knowing that particular action will never let you fully realize the capability of whatever high-powered round you decide to go with. "............'back in the day'... cost. that rifle probably cost less than 1/2 what a new commercial rifle would have cost back then. and as said, the 7.65x53 isn't a slouch, as good as a .300 sav., much better than the .30/30. I built a .250 sav. on a Loewe, Berlin m-95 receiver, cock on open conversion, spits out 87 gn bullets at 3100 fps and groups less than 3/4" @ 100 yrds. Not bad for a 'non-rifle' antique
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,890 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    But, with > 20,000 state & local entities, I'm sure that some do not recognize pre-1899 firearms as "non guns".

    A prudent seller would request a photocopy of the buyer's drivers license, just to protect himself in the case of a future discussion with the fellas with the bulges in the cheap suits.

    Neal
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  • CapnMidnightCapnMidnight Member Posts: 8,038 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    That is a good thought Neal, I'll do that.
    Thank you.
    W.D.
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  • wanted manwanted man Member Posts: 3,276
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by dcon12
    quote:Originally posted by Joes Custom Guns
    What dose it take for it to become a Fiream.?



    Another r. Don


    [;)]
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