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I don't drink alcohol but maybe once a month and that would be stretching it... Guess I will go earlier than expected [:(]
Daily Drinking Cuts Heart Disease Risk for Men By Ed Edelson
HealthDay Reporter
Fri May 26, 7:09 PM ET
FRIDAY, May 26 (HealthDay News) -- Having a drink or two each day appears to be better for the heart than having a drink just now and then, at least for middle-aged men, a Danish study finds.
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Men who drank moderately each day had a 41 percent lower risk of heart disease than abstainers, while the risk was only 7 percent lower for those who drank on no more than one day a week, the researchers found. The team found no such benefit to daily drinking for women, however.
"This is one more study suggesting that a modest to moderate amount of alcohol in the world of heart disease is reasonably healthy," said Dr. Richard A. Stein, clinical professor of medicine at Albert Einstein Medical Center in New York, and a spokesman for the American Heart Association.
Stein was not involved in the study, which was conducted by researchers at the Center for Alcohol Research, part of the National Institute for Public Health in Copenhagen. The findings are published in the May 27 issue of the British Medical Journal.
The study followed over 22,400 women and more than 25,000 men ages 50 to 65 for nearly six years. The results were adjusted for known cardiac risk factors such as age, smoking, education, physical activity and diet.
Researchers did note a considerable difference in benefit between the sexes. Compared to abstainers, women who drank once a week had a slightly greater reduction in cardiovascular risk (36 percent) than women who drank every day (35 percent).
But there was also a difference between the genders in the average amount of alcohol consumed, with men averaging 11.3 drinks a week to women's weekly average of 5.5 drinks.
The researchers stressed that any potential benefit from daily drinking would be overwhelmed by the ill effects of heavy drinking -- more than a drink or two per day.
Annie Britton, a senior lecturer in epidemiology and public health at University College of London who wrote an accompanying editorial, expressed worry that the study might lead people to believe they "can [healthily] drink as much as you want."
And she noted that the benefit was only seen in a select group. "If drinking every day gives a benefit, that is restricted to middle-aged men," Britton said. In addition, not everyone in the study answered the questions about drinking, and the low response rate meant that "it might not be able to capture the full picture," missing really heavy drinkers, Britton said.
The study is "a very good piece of work," she said, but added that "it is too early to find if the study results will hold in other populations."
Stein said the Danish report will not affect current AHA recommendations on drinking.
For those who choose to drink, the heart association recommends no more than one to two drinks per day for men, and one drink per day for women. One drink is defined as 12 ounces of beer, four ounces of wine or one ounce of 100-proof whiskey.
The Danish results suggest "that if you are a man, you should get together with your friends every day and have a drink, and if you're a woman you should get together for a drink once a week and call it quits," Stein said.
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For more on the pros and cons of drinking, head to the American Heart Association.
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Daily Drinking Cuts Heart Disease Risk for Men By Ed Edelson
HealthDay Reporter
Fri May 26, 7:09 PM ET
FRIDAY, May 26 (HealthDay News) -- Having a drink or two each day appears to be better for the heart than having a drink just now and then, at least for middle-aged men, a Danish study finds.
ADVERTISEMENT
Men who drank moderately each day had a 41 percent lower risk of heart disease than abstainers, while the risk was only 7 percent lower for those who drank on no more than one day a week, the researchers found. The team found no such benefit to daily drinking for women, however.
"This is one more study suggesting that a modest to moderate amount of alcohol in the world of heart disease is reasonably healthy," said Dr. Richard A. Stein, clinical professor of medicine at Albert Einstein Medical Center in New York, and a spokesman for the American Heart Association.
Stein was not involved in the study, which was conducted by researchers at the Center for Alcohol Research, part of the National Institute for Public Health in Copenhagen. The findings are published in the May 27 issue of the British Medical Journal.
The study followed over 22,400 women and more than 25,000 men ages 50 to 65 for nearly six years. The results were adjusted for known cardiac risk factors such as age, smoking, education, physical activity and diet.
Researchers did note a considerable difference in benefit between the sexes. Compared to abstainers, women who drank once a week had a slightly greater reduction in cardiovascular risk (36 percent) than women who drank every day (35 percent).
But there was also a difference between the genders in the average amount of alcohol consumed, with men averaging 11.3 drinks a week to women's weekly average of 5.5 drinks.
The researchers stressed that any potential benefit from daily drinking would be overwhelmed by the ill effects of heavy drinking -- more than a drink or two per day.
Annie Britton, a senior lecturer in epidemiology and public health at University College of London who wrote an accompanying editorial, expressed worry that the study might lead people to believe they "can [healthily] drink as much as you want."
And she noted that the benefit was only seen in a select group. "If drinking every day gives a benefit, that is restricted to middle-aged men," Britton said. In addition, not everyone in the study answered the questions about drinking, and the low response rate meant that "it might not be able to capture the full picture," missing really heavy drinkers, Britton said.
The study is "a very good piece of work," she said, but added that "it is too early to find if the study results will hold in other populations."
Stein said the Danish report will not affect current AHA recommendations on drinking.
For those who choose to drink, the heart association recommends no more than one to two drinks per day for men, and one drink per day for women. One drink is defined as 12 ounces of beer, four ounces of wine or one ounce of 100-proof whiskey.
The Danish results suggest "that if you are a man, you should get together with your friends every day and have a drink, and if you're a woman you should get together for a drink once a week and call it quits," Stein said.
More information
For more on the pros and cons of drinking, head to the American Heart Association.
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Baby with heart condition recovers AP, Fri May 26, 8:12 PM ET Higher-dose statin may benefit some diabetics Reuters, Fri May 26, 12:40 PM ET Feature Articles
Prayer Doesn't Aid Recovery, Study Finds at The Washington Post (reg. req'd), Mar 31 He made a new heart 'routine' at USATODAY.com, Feb 12
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I don't drink alcohol but maybe once a month and that would be stretching it... Guess I will go earlier than expected [:(]
Having a drink or two each day appears to be better for the heart than having a drink just now and then, at least for middle-aged men, a Danish study finds.
Men who drank moderately each day had a 41 percent lower risk of heart disease than abstainers, while the risk was only 7 percent lower for those who drank on no more than one day a week...
I have heard drunks quote studies similar to this one on many occasions . . . apparently they worry more about their heart than their liver.
Researchers cannot morally ask people who are otherwise healthy to consume 6, 10, or 20 drinks per day to compare heavy consumption to moderate consumption, so drunks will continue to justify getting sloshed every day by quoting studies like this one.
Liver failure is not a sudden process tha can kill you in a matter of minutes without much warning.
Heart disease can lead to a heart attack and kill your very fast with little warning.
You can cut out half your liver, give it to somebody else, and both halves will grow back and be functional(though i'd wager each half would be mor"aged" or weaker and not as good as a whole liver fresh from an auto accident victim), you can ask a family memeber for part of their liver, you cant ask a family member for part of their heart.
Plus due to the livers amazing regenerative capabilities, the number of usable liveres harvested from cadavers can be "multiplied" whereas hearts cannot.
Save your heart, damage your liver.
Its easier to get a liver transplant than a heart transplant.
Liver failure is not a sudden process tha can kill you in a matter of minutes without much warning.
Heart disease can lead to a heart attack and kill your very fast with little warning.
You can cut out half your liver, give it to somebody else, and both halves will grow back and be functional(though i'd wager each half would be mor"aged" or weaker and not as good as a whole liver fresh from an auto accident victim), you can ask a family memeber for part of their liver, you cant ask a family member for part of their heart.
Plus due to the livers amazing regenerative capabilities, the number of usable liveres harvested from cadavers can be "multiplied" whereas hearts cannot.
Save your heart, damage your liver.
Pour me another!
Its easier to get a liver transplant than a heart transplant.
Liver failure is not a sudden process tha can kill you in a matter of minutes without much warning.
Heart disease can lead to a heart attack and kill your very fast with little warning.
You can cut out half your liver, give it to somebody else, and both halves will grow back and be functional(though i'd wager each half would be mor"aged" or weaker and not as good as a whole liver fresh from an auto accident victim), you can ask a family memeber for part of their liver, you cant ask a family member for part of their heart.
Plus due to the livers amazing regenerative capabilities, the number of usable liveres harvested from cadavers can be "multiplied" whereas hearts cannot.
Save your heart, damage your liver.
Its not a question of heart vs. liver. Obviously both are vital organs, and you need both. That's like saying its better to wear out your car's transmission than to wear out the engine. Yes. . .maybe that's true, but aren't you better off maintaining both properly?
You don't even want to THINK about having your liver or heart transplanted, because you're quite likely to die waiting (assuming you are even eligible to get a transplanted organ), and your quality of life afterwards is never the same as it would have been had you simply kept your original organs intact.
Also, the treatment for cirrhosis *might* be a liver transplant. But the treatment for a heart attack is NOT a heart transplant!
If you already have another liver disease (eg Hepatitis C), you don't want to drink. Chronic alcohol abuse has lots of other bad health effects, other than just on the liver. (Chronic alcoholism makes your brain and testes atrophy, among other negative effects).
The point is, liver, heart or whatever. . .persons who drink in moderation (up to 2 drinks per day for an adult make, 1 drink/day for an adult woman) live longer, on average, than people who don't. On average persons who drink more than that do NOT live as long. (Though maybe they live "better"!).
I haven't had a drink lately, but over the years I guess I've drank enough to keep me alive forever. I must have had somebody else's heart attack.
It's being up at 2:30 in the morning on the internet is what's going to kill you. dont you guys ever get to sleep?
What i want is for doctors to redefine moderate drinking as three or four beers per day so that i'll be right in the sweet spot of cardiac care instead of being labled the town drunk.
I'm almost 250lbs. there should be some consideration given to my weight. It takes twice as much alcohol to help my heart as it does some guy who only weighs 150lbs.
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
I haven't had a drink lately, but over the years I guess I've drank enough to keep me alive forever. I must have had somebody else's heart attack.
It's being up at 2:30 in the morning on the internet is what's going to kill you. dont you guys ever get to sleep?
What i want is for doctors to redefine moderate drinking as three or four beers per day so that i'll be right in the sweet spot of cardiac care instead of being labled the town drunk.
I'm almost 250lbs. there should be some consideration given to my weight. It takes twice as much alcohol to help my heart as it does some guy who only weighs 150lbs.
Getting old ain't what it's cracked up to be. Golden years my *! [:D]
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
I haven't had a drink lately, but over the years I guess I've drank enough to keep me alive forever. I must have had somebody else's heart attack.
It's being up at 2:30 in the morning on the internet is what's going to kill you. dont you guys ever get to sleep?
What i want is for doctors to redefine moderate drinking as three or four beers per day so that i'll be right in the sweet spot of cardiac care instead of being labled the town drunk.
I'm almost 250lbs. there should be some consideration given to my weight. It takes twice as much alcohol to help my heart as it does some guy who only weighs 150lbs.
Hugh, at 250 lbs, 3 drinks per day is fine.
On the other hand maybe 250 lbs is NOT so fine. . .
[;)]
Remember, if you only weighed 195 lbs your beer bill would go down by 1/3!