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Standard 20" A2/A4 AR-15... which make
cwinn
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I'm in the market for a no-frills standard AR-15. I Want to keep price under $900. First and foremost is reliability, and I've narrowed it down to: Armalite, Bushmaster, DPMS, Rock River, and STAG. Any thoughts?
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best bang for the buck imho is
SW (early ones were stag) and rock river
if you like a two stage trigger go RRA
i like armalite and colt too!
If you really want an AR get one with a chrome lined barrel and chamber, and get one with a piston system. That will solve about 50% of the problems. You still have the problem of the buffer spring is not strong enough and its a catch 22 because if you make the buffer spring stronger the rifle won't cycle, leave it as is it jams when it gets dirty.
Those of you who dislike the AR platform: what would you recommend? (I know I know I'm opening a HUGE can...) Let's narrow it down to those shooting lighter calibers than .308/7.62x51. Not trying argue at all, just looking for advice. I was looking at the mini-14 but the possible accuracy issues and magazine prices kinda turn me off, though I'm not 100% against it. Thanks!
I'm in the market for a no-frills standard AR-15. I Want to keep price under $900. First and foremost is reliability, and I've narrowed it down to: Armalite, Bushmaster, DPMS, Rock River, and STAG. Any thoughts?
Bushmaster and DPMS is the same company and quality aka trash,junk,garbage,jamomatics!
Armalite,Rock River,and Stag are all high quality rifles. Of all three of those companys Stag would be the closest to mil spec. Or spend alittle more money and build your own by chosing the highest quality of parts. Ar rifles are NOT that hard to build.
Just 1 more thing to throw at you look on the auction side their is New Sig 556 rifles for $850! Piston driven guns tend to be more reliable(sp)
I'm in the market for a no-frills standard AR-15. I Want to keep price under $900. First and foremost is reliability, and I've narrowed it down to: Armalite, Bushmaster, DPMS, Rock River, and STAG. Any thoughts?
Get a Rock River with a 1/8 twist 20". It lets You shoot the 77 grain Sierra BTHP like we are using against the ragheads.
Army is using hollow points now?[?][?]
Open Tip Match. [:p]
quote:Originally posted by Rosie
Army is using hollow points now?[?][?]
Open Tip Match. [:p]
Exactly! How are we getting by with this?
Black Hills is the manufacturer.
I wouldn't overlook a Mini 14 tactical. Can get it under $900, can get 30 rd mags for around 10 bucks. Action is based on the Garand, it's reliable. Atleast the couple I've had(and still have).
quote:Originally posted by 9 on the floor
quote:Originally posted by Rosie
Army is using hollow points now?[?][?]
Open Tip Match. [:p]
Exactly! How are we getting by with this?
Black Hills is the manufacturer.
It's not considered an expanding bullet.
The open tip is the result of drawing the jacket from the base to form the boattail, the jacket has to end somewhere so it becomes a hole above the lead core. Any expansion on impact is just a bonus!
I don't know who owns PWA anymore, but the rifle has been [and still is] extremely accurate and reliable. [But I've never filled it with mud on purpose or run over it with my truck.]
All my recent ARs are Stags and I've had great luck with them.
I'm aware of the mini/AR debate. However, I know little about the Sig 556. Is it generally considered to be the superior rifle when compared to the AR-15? I handled one a few years back and it seemed to be a nice rifle.
Are there any other options that I'm missing?
quote:Originally posted by 9 on the floor
quote:Originally posted by Rosie
Army is using hollow points now?[?][?]
Open Tip Match. [:p]
Exactly! How are we getting by with this?
Black Hills is the manufacturer.
Quick answer is that the US military lawyers issued a report saying they meet the standards of the Hague act, since the bullets aren't INTENDED to expand. Whether or not they do expand or this is true in general might be debatable, but nobody has successfully challenged that, so we use them.
Frankly, I don't think it matters.
A formerly standard 55 grain FMJ .223 bullet from a long barrel will literally fragment into a zillion pieces inside a human body, which is every bit as "bad" as one that simply mushrooms from a soft point.
If you're hit with a .308 anywhere on the torso from 0 - 500 yards, its probably not going to make much of a difference if the bullet is of an expanding type or not.
Again a big thanks to all who responded.
I'm aware of the mini/AR debate. However, I know little about the Sig 556. Is it generally considered to be the superior rifle when compared to the AR-15? I handled one a few years back and it seemed to be a nice rifle.
Are there any other options that I'm missing?
Hard to give options since you didn't say what you wanted this gun for.
I'm assuming you want a military/combat style rifle in .223.
Israeli Galil is basically a upgraded Kalashnikov in .223 with a milled receiver (ie its heavy) nice folding stock, better sights and ambidextrous controls.
These are highly reliable and more accurate than the typical Kalashnikov. Unfortunately, they're also ungodly expensive, and I don't think you'll be able to find a "real" one for under $1000.
You *can* probably get one of the Century arms "Golani" builds (which use surplus Galil parts built onto an American made receiver and barrel) for well under that amount, though some of these are subject to problems.
You could take a look at the Kel-Tec .223 rifles, which use AR-15 mags. They're light, foldable (!) and I believe use a piston-type action for reliability.