Anybody got the moxy?

bpost

To start a company producing .22LR .223 and other hard to find ammo with me. I have unrestricted land use here will give the land to the company, will run sales and take out the trash on Tuesday.

Lets get er done. No more ammo shortages. Direct sales to GB members through the GB web site, GB checkout and shipped within 24 hours of order receipt. Will make 36 grain HP 22 LR ammo first, bulk packs 500 per then move to other ammo.

bpost

OK, I did my part so far. Got the Business, RUTLAND SPECIALIZED SPORTS going. I have contacted several companies to obtain equipment and supplies. Who else wants in?

NOAH

i will take the trash out on Friday's[:D][:D]

Old.22Bolts

I'm in. Does your company have a moving allowance?

shilowar

I'll buy some ammo from ya! [;)]

calrugerfan

How much is the equipment? And will you be able to get the components that you need?

I believe their is also a license from the BATFE that you need.

woodshed87

I will Have to Move Can't Buy internet ammo Here in NY
Can you Line up a Place for Me??
What is the Cost Of IN??

TANK78Z

I understand the it could be done, but.
Any idea as to the start up costs, including insurance,business lic., state,county, town fees , ffl ammo manufacturers lic.etc etc ?
While it sounds like a great idea, the logistics, and funding would seem to be a very large hurdle.
A lawyer specializing in business startups and familiar with the laws/regulations reguarding this type of business is a #1 first.
And trained personal are a necessity, many problems need to be worked out before even thinking of equipment and supplies, which will more then likely be more costly to procure then the big guys can, and may make the production too costly .
By the way April 1st is next week.
[:D][:D][:D]

He Dog

Nope, I am retired, but when you produce a 40 grain then I will take 10,000 rounds.

fordsix

i did talk to my industrialist buddy about it but he doesn't under stand the ammo situation (like most people i know,,my one friend could not under stand why he could not by 22 ammo for the upcomming * seaon) any way i don't know of any one that makes 22lr loading machines,the ammo companys built their HS machines eon's ago..just the HS casting of 22 bullits would be a problem 3-5 mill aday special powders only made for 22 the highly explosive liquid primmer compound it and just when you get it together nobody wants any more..don't forget the brass mill cause you have to make your own caseing . packaging..the powder makers can;t keep up now with out adding another mouth to feed[:0]

hillbille

I will give you a bunch of 22lr brass if you will reload them for me bruce...... I would even go 2 for one..[;)]

chiefr

Before you even think about building a factory on YOUR property, you best contact the EPA and have an environmental assessment first. You may have to wait as long as a year for the assessment.

Most people find out the hard way about the EPA. You obtain state and local permits and licenses, build the plant and the EPA finds something wrong and sues you for about 30K. Usually a minor infraction.

Plus ammunition manufacturing uses all types of hazardous materials. You will have to spend several millions just to comply with federal compliance regulations. Also, make sure your factory is ADA compliant.

Depending upon your state and locale, permits, fees, licenses, to start-up are expensive and time consuming. Government at all levels is the greatest obstacle towards your success.

bigoutside

I'm in Bruce.
We can use the shop room in my basement and not tell anyone.
It's where the gas fired furnace is. But summer is coming and we can shut that off.

Let me know when the machinery is going to be installed. I may need to move some fishing gear and some old cans of paint.

JustC

quote:Originally posted by bpost
To start a company producing .22LR .223 and other hard to find ammo with me. I have unrestricted land use here will give the land to the company, will run sales and take out the trash on Tuesday.

Lets get er done. No more ammo shortages. Direct sales to GB members through the GB web site, GB checkout and shipped within 24 hours of order receipt. Will make 36 grain HP 22 LR ammo first, bulk packs 500 per then move to other ammo.


let me know what the start-up costs are for the equipment.

Ray B

Seems to me that as far as 22 rf is concerned, a great deal of start-up costs could be save by offering a buy-back on rf cases- most of which would normally be thrown away. then you wouldn't need the case making equipment and could get by with reforming existing cases. the expense would be in developing a priming machine to safely reprime the cases without undue risk.

KEVD18

I personally don't have millions of dollars to put into a project to solve a problem that will probably be resolved long before I've cleared all the legal hoops and so forth standing between me and my first loaded round.

Mr. Perfect

I'm in! Can I work from home?

Locust Fork

If enough of us chip in a few grand....it sounds like it would be a good investment, but with multiple owners I'm sure there would be problems. It isn't easy to run a business....anyone that says it is HASN'T done it. So, don't expect to see a profit anytime soon....but it would be an interesting thing to watch progress (especially with the "board meetings" taking place on a public forum.)

calrugerfan

A co-op would probably eliminate a lot of the legal hurdles that would be more difficult to do with everybody spread out.

dfletcher

I have case of Moxie in my ice box, if that counts for anything ...[:o)]

FrancF

Perk- Welder/Mech. on automated systems. I could fill some industrial rolls. And The wife would like to move back to OH to be near Family.

Boats

I have been thinking the same thing. If a bunch of people were to put together a 22LR plant it would have instant business but how long would it take to recoup and start making money? Now 223 would be a business that a group of people could put together because there is once fired brass for sale. The question would be getting all of the components on a constant basis. Lots of questions[?]

LesWVa

If you look around you can buy new and used ammo manufacturing equipment for sale.

Waterbury Farrel can set you up from a simple press to a turn key operation.

MAST Machinery, COMTRI, BSN are few manufactures brand you can find used.

fideau

Making .22 ammo is a lot of hand work. Saw one of those History Channel shows a couple years ago. They did one of those "how it's made" at a CCI plant. It was amazing to see, cases start out a small disc that is formed, then primer is a paste that is hand pressed into a thousand cases at a time. Still, that one plant was completing a million rounds a day. I am still wondering where the hell it all is.
I think it would take several million dollars and 5 years to get an ammo co. going. And that would be my guess if everything went perfectly.
But I wish it could be done.

longspur rider

I would be interested in investing. Need more info on the project. Keep me posted. Very interesting concept.

Warbirds

I am already doing this- with a twist.

beantownshootah

I can't even begin to imagine the costs and issues in starting up a new ammunition factory.

Tooling costs for a state of the art ammo plant ALONE have got to be in the multiple millions of dollars. . .and no, I just can't believe that there are any suitable .22LR-making machines just sitting around un-used right now. (Centerfire. . .maybe. . ..22LR, nope).

Then add licensing costs, safety, insurance, legal, distribution, and other costs/hurdles.

On top of that, profit margins on .22LR are razor-thin as it is, meaning its going to take a pretty long time to recoup this investment.

Bottom line. . .if it were so easy to add .22LR manufacturing capacity, there wouldn't be a shortage now to begin with!