Bush on gay civil unions.

spurgemastur

Yeah, so this should be in politics.....i don't visit the politics forum, and just want to know what you-all think. So read what's here....read the full NY Times article if you think I'm pulling out of context, and bring other sources in if you think they're useful.

But comment on this:

Does this not seem like a blatantly political maneuver to appease a certain segment of society so that this ************ we have for a president might 'win' the next vote?

Or is it a politically expedient thing to do to win the next election, which is the right thing to do?

Or is it what he really believes?

NY Times headline: "Bush Says His Party Is Wrong to Oppose Gay Civil Unions"

Full article at:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26gay.html [/url]

C&P from the same article:

In an interview on Sunday with Charles Gibson, an anchor of "Good Morning America" on ABC, Mr. Bush said, "I don't think we should deny people rights to a civil union, a legal arrangement, if that's what a state chooses to do so." ABC, which broadcast part of the interview on Monday, is to broadcast the part about civil unions on Tuesday.

According to an ABC transcript, Mr. Gibson then noted to Mr. Bush that the Republican Party platform opposed civil unions.

"Well, I don't," Mr. Bush replied.

He added: "I view the definition of marriage different from legal arrangements that enable people to have rights. And I strongly believe that marriage ought to be defined as between a union between a man and a woman. Now, having said that, states ought to be able to have the right to pass laws that enable people to be able to have rights like others."

Mr. Gibson then asked, "So the Republican platform on that point, as far as you're concerned, is wrong?"

"Right," Mr. Bush replied.

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drobs

Links not working.

Sounds like a flip flop. Wasn't Bush trying to ammend the Constitution to say that marriage is between a man and a woman?

Regards,

ZERODIN

drobs: It's not a flip-flop, it's a concession. Bush is still against gay marriage, but is willing to compromise and allow gay civil unions. Compromises aren't flip-flops, or would you say that the anti-Federalists who became Presidents, Congressmen, and Cabinet members were flip-floppers, too?

mudge

Bush explained that his Constitutional Amendment idea was to prevent Liberal A--h---(that's redundant isn't it?) Judges like those that sit on the 9th Circus Court from making a law that legalizes same sex marriages.

Mudge the alert

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ruhbarb

Go back to the Democrap underground

Ray B

Spurge- how are you at baiting?

drobs

quote:Originally posted by ZERODIN
drobs: It's not a flip-flop, it's a concession. Bush is still against gay marriage, but is willing to compromise and allow gay civil unions. Compromises aren't flip-flops, or would you say that the anti-Federalists who became Presidents, Congressmen, and Cabinet members were flip-floppers, too?


Ok ok political pandering. So would those Civic Unions, that Bush mentions, be recognized in other states?

Regards,

allen griggs

Several years ago Bush said that he opposed a Constitutional amendment that would prohibit gay marriage.
His proposal of just such an amendment this year is shameless pandering to his right wing base.
Mr. Flip Flop, George Bush.

96harley

I can't believe we are talking about sodomites wanting to marry. It is a sick world when we find ourselves discussing it in public. It needs, just like the sickos who are wanting to marry man on man and woman on woman, to be put back in the closet or under a rock somewhere. Shame on them for even considering it as a viable issue anyway.

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beantownshootah

Good for Bush.

I never thought he'd get around to permitting civil unions. . .particularly after Kerry took the politically expedient stance that he was against gay marriage too!




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salzo

quote:Originally posted by ZERODIN
Bush is still against gay marriage, but is willing to compromise and allow gay civil unions.

What is te difference between marriage and civil unions???

"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man

Hunter375

Bush has never opposed gay couples and their rights-he simply has stated that marriage is between a man and a woman; a value which most of us agree with. I certainly do. Let them have their unions or whatever, but preserve the sanctity of marrige for those of us with conventional, heterosexual relationships.

Liberal compassion inhibits progress.........think Republican and prosper!

beantownshootah

quote:Originally posted by salzo
quote:Originally posted by ZERODIN
Bush is still against gay marriage, but is willing to compromise and allow gay civil unions.

What is te difference between marriage and civil unions???


Civil union provides a standardized set of legal benefits under local law. Marriage traditonally is a private arrangement between two individuals, often (but not always) with religious overtones. Most people who are married also enjoy the legal benefits of a civil union. plus a whole lot more:

http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm

http://www.massequality.org/hot_bg_cu.php

Meanie

civil unions are purely governmental, while 'marriage' has a deep religous conotation for many people. I'm not particularly religous anymore, but still am against gay 'marriage' as it makes a mockery(i know they arent doing it as a mockery but for the same reasons we are and it is only a mockery as i say it cause they use the same word to describe it) of a sacred act, but if the government wants to recognize that 2 homosexuals plan/pledge to spend the rest of their lives together i have nothing against that.