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James AyersJames Ayers Member Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 2004 in General Discussion
[8D]---2" GROUP, HANDGUN- some of you say -NORMAL-I would like to see anyone do this OFFHAND with ANY pistol- My best is 5" with my Ruger MKII .22 at 25 yds (5 shots)-no rest-first liar has no chance.

On your mark-get set- go away!!
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  • walliewallie Member Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you go to the Nationals at Camp Perry 2" groups are a dime a dozen. You have a good gun all you need is more practice.
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  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have a friend who at 73 still can shoot 2" groups at 25 yards with his
    45 ACP and his 357 Colt Anaconda.

    I can do it at 50 yards off a rest with my 44 Magnum (at least I am being truthful).

    Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it state: "Seperation of Church and State".

    "Those who beat their guns into plow shares; will plow for those who don't."

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    "Isaiah 5:20 ?Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
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  • pickenuppickenup Member Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So, are saying, that you are not a very good shot?
    Practice more.


    The gene pool needs chlorine.
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  • ContacFrontContacFront Member Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    2 inch groups at 25 yards off hand is not that hard. Specially with a 1911 Target Pistol. No offence but at 25yards my lil brother shoots 5 to 6 inch groups with my Ruger 22/45. Trigger time will shrink those groups. Also having someone watch you shoot and tell you why your groups are what they are also helps.
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  • HangfireHangfire Member Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    James-

    As far as your shooting ability, to use your own most common input to this forum......WHO GIVES A SNOT !!!![8D]

    Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
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  • TheBrassManTheBrassMan Member Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not saying I am a bad shot.
    Off hand at 50 yards I can shoot a 4" group with my 44 [:p]

    Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it state: "Seperation of Church and State".

    "Those who beat their guns into plow shares; will plow for those who don't."

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    "Isaiah 5:20 ?Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
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  • HeavyBarrelHeavyBarrel Member Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I routinely see 4-5" groups at the rifle range from folks who claim they shoot around 1" when no one's looking, just remember that. If I can't prove it on the spot, I don't even mention group size.
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  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 10-ring on the standard NRA bullseye 25 yard rapid-fire target is 3.36 inches in diameter, with the X-ring being 1.69 inches.

    Any good competitive bullseye shooter will keep ALL of his shots inside the ten (or X) ring during rapid fire, meaning virtually all of them can consistently shoot 2 inch groups at will at 25 yards offhand.

    I can't do it. . .but I hope to be able to someday.
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  • shooter4shooter4 Member Posts: 4,457
    edited November -1
    I used to be quite into bullseye. Had my 25 yard groups down to around 3" on a good day. That's with .22 or .45.

    The good shooters, and there are many, will consistently shoot sub 2" groups. In our club alone there are no less than 4 national record holders in bullseye.
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  • gunnut505gunnut505 Member Posts: 10,290 ✭
    edited November -1
    Let's see, a 1" group at 100 yards is 1 MOA, a 2" group at 50 yards is pretty easy, but a 2" group at 25 yards (with a MKII, no less) is commonplace. I've never seen anyone use a .45 and get that close; but I hear there are some that can do it.
    James, were you bragging in hopes of changing someones' opinion of the Ruger? Or were you unsure that anyone else could shoot a group that size THAT CLOSE?
    Smallbore silhouette shooters ROUTINELY splat steel in groups that size because there are topple zones on each target out to 100 yards that will not fall, or they will spin on their stands if not hit correctly. All legal silo shooters shoot freehand/without a rest.
    With open sights on my GP100 (6"), I can easily get 2" out to 50 yards, one handed; with the red dot sight however, I can go 75.

    "Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit" --OVID
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  • beantownshootahbeantownshootah Member Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by James Ayers
    [8D]---2" GROUP, HANDGUN- some of you say -NORMAL-I would like to see anyone do this OFFHAND with ANY pistol- My best is 5" with my Ruger MKII .22 at 25 yds (5 shots)-no rest-first liar has no chance.


    By the way, last week I put 7 shots into about a 1" group with a stock Smith 686 revolver with 6" barrel at 8-9 yards using factory .38 spl loads. (Two hands, single action, no rest). That was literally the first time I had ever fired that model gun, and it translates into a roughly 3 inch group at 25 yards. (Yes, I have eyewitnesses [;)]).

    I don't think that's bad shooting, but its certainly nothing to write home about. The more interesting thing, I think, is that I shot better groups with the big Smith than I did with the Ruger 22/45 I shot that same day.

    Why? The single action Smith trigger was significantly lighter and crisper than the Ruger's, which was actually kind of gritty/mushy. If I were serious about shooting targets with that Ruger, I'd definitely get a trigger job.

    (Here's one option for about $80:)
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    The longer sight radius and larger, higher contrast sights on the Smith definitely helped a lot, and I think the heavier gun reduced my wobble a bit too.
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  • James AyersJames Ayers Member Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    [8D]See I got some action: I am better with my 686-3" at 25 yds,but thats about my best with pistol, I'm not a braggart, I just wanted to hear the email competition.[xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(]

    On your mark-get set- go away!!
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  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd say my average group at 25 yards is about 3" shooting double action, but I shoot 2" groups whenever I take my time and on any given day my best groups are usually closer to 2" than 3" and I have shot even smaller groups. It doesnt take a target gun to do this, just a well made modern gun with good sights and good ammo. S&W Mod. 27, 28, 66, 15 have all shot 2" groups as have my Springfield .45s. My Colt Officers Model Target with 148gr wad cutters is capable of one-inch groups and so am I when my eyes are rested, but I can't say I've shot that well in the past ten years or so(eyes just keep getting worse as I get older)
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  • Hunter375Hunter375 Member Posts: 612 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    With my Kimber Stainless Target 10mm, my best 25 yd groups are sub-2", average is about 2-1/2"-3". From a rest, 2" is on the large side. Two weeks ago I sighted in my Desert Eagle .50 with a burris 1.5-4x32mm and my final post-sight-in 5-shot group at 100 yards was 2-11/16" with one flyer about 5" from the other 4 holes (obviously, this was benched). Handgun accuracy is all about trigger control. A good bullseye shooter has no problem shooting near-1-hole groups at 25 yards. My advise if you are getting 5"+ groups is shoot more and pay attention to what you're doing. Even a DA combat auto can shoot at least that well.

    Liberal compassion inhibits progress.........think Republican and prosper!
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