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callcameron - Survival 72 hour kit...

Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
From re-reading your threads about this, and the responses, I think most everyone is doing very different planning than you are. So, here are some questions, so we are all looking at the same sheet of music:

What sort of disaster are you planning for ?? Natural - in your area, the first thing that comes to mind is a major earthquake or flooding ?? Man-made - Nuke/bio/chem - terror attack ??

You have mentioned 3 days as the length of time it would take for outside (gubmint) resources to come to your aid, and being able to get to your relatives, who would presumably be unaffected. So I think your plans are for what most of us think of as an "inconvenience", rather than SHTF.

I believe most of the Forum Members are looking at the latter - big time badness, and planning for that. I personally am considering the complete disintegration of infrastructure - no power, city water, medical aid, commo, land-line or cellular phones, no money/debit/credit cards, no Police or Military (or the laughable FEMA), as well as semi-organized opposition in the form of folks that want our stuff and our wimmins. And a long-term problem.

So why don't you let us know what your thinking is on this, and maybe we can make some suggestions for you and your Family that would help.

I am NOT criticizing you, just trying to gain a clearer understanding.

This is obviously very important to you.

Thank you.

Doug
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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
    edited November -1
    cameron - have you seen this ??

    Doug
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  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    Sorry, I got offline early last night. I was still going down all the threads.

    You bring up a good point. My "72 hour kit" is definitely different from a SHTF type of setup. I plan a 72 hour kit for a natural disaster. In my area, flood is the most likely. Possibly an earthquake, although I have never felt any of the bay area quakes so it would have to be major to do significant damage here.

    I already have my SHTF idea. Can anybody loan me about $750,000? I'll give you a nice place to stay and some good hunting ground.

    I think that the true SHTF situation isn't going to be so much of an immediate happening as it is going to be a slow decline. Much like that of Nazi Germany. Although, let's not distract from this thread by discussing that.
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  • War Pig ActualWar Pig Actual Member Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    CC, I think the biggest concern you should have right now is an earthquake (major). And I think you should plan more along the lines of 2-4 weeks of supplies. I say this because back in 1994 when the Northridge quake happened I worked in the area, but lived 60 miles away. We had little to no damage at home, but my friends in that area were homeless, being priced gouged, and had no water for 2 weeks. Floods are another matter and I can't help you there other than to tell you to get a boat.

    I think you are right about the SHTF. It will be a process rather than waking up one night to total anarchy. Unless of course the SHTF involves zombies.
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  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
    CC, I think the biggest concern you should have right now is an earthquake (major). And I think you should plan more along the lines of 2-4 weeks of supplies. I say this because back in 1994 when the Northridge quake happened I worked in the area, but lived 60 miles away. We had little to no damage at home, but my friends in that area were homeless, being priced gouged, and had no water for 2 weeks. Floods are another matter and I can't help you there other than to tell you to get a boat.

    I think you are right about the SHTF. It will be a process rather than waking up one night to total anarchy. Unless of course the SHTF involves zombies.


    I think that if an earthquake was strong enough to do damage in Rocklin, that I would be too busy celebrating (San Francisco would have obviously fallen into the bay). I am about 120 from S.F. and like I said, I have never felt any earthquake here. My parents' and my sister's house are each less than 10 miles away and they both have wells and septic tanks. I have a year's supply of food (for two people) as do my parents and my sister (my sister has a year's supply for her family of 7).

    There was a study done to identify the largest levee risks in the country before Katrina hit. New Orleans was #2. Sacramento was actually #1 with the chances of catastrophe being double that of New Orleans. If the levee goes in Sacramento, my brother has less than an hour before he would start getting wet.
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  • War Pig ActualWar Pig Actual Member Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you live within 150 miles of this red line, you're at risk. But I remember hearing about the flood risk. LA is a considerable distance from the fault and it is at major risk. That's good you've never experienced a quake I guess....I don't like them. Where I live we have a fault named after the city that gave us a pretty good jolt this past summer. But I can tell you this, anywhere where there are hills and mountains. There is probably an earthquake fault dormant or otherwise.

    thefault.jpg
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  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    I've experienced earthquakes, just not here. When I was in Mexico, I was still right alone the San Andreas fault. My first one, I didn't feel at first. Everybody started running saying "Temblor! Temblor!" I was trying to figure out what "temblor" meant. I figured it out when I started to walk. I actually thought the volcano might be erupting. My next one was not as bad and didn't really do any damage. The third one, I was woken up by my companion at 1:14 am telling me there was an earthquake. I sat up, realized he was right, and went back to bed.
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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
    edited November -1
    The only water I rekemember down there is Antelope Creek. I don't recall any large water that would threaten you.

    Anyway, I experienced some quakes down there, and you are very close to the San Andreas fault. If that puppy pops - as it is supposed to
    soon - it will be a true SHTF problem, probably for our entire nation.

    Based on our phone conversation, I suggest that you and your Family move to Utah, or maybe Mars, ASAP.

    Doug
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  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
    The only water I rekemember down there is Antelope Creek. I don't recall any large water that would threaten you.

    Anyway, I experienced some quakes down there, and you are very close to the San Andreas fault. If that puppy pops - as it is supposed to
    soon - it will be a true SHTF problem, probably for our entire nation.

    Based on our phone conversation, I suggest that you and your Family move to Utah, or maybe Mars, ASAP.

    Doug


    Not a chance!! I can't think of a single reason that would make me move to Utah. Too many "Utah Mormons" there.

    We don't have large rivers close by but there are some small ones that can swell up pretty well. A little known fact though: 2/3 of all floods happen in "non-flood" zones.
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  • War Pig ActualWar Pig Actual Member Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    there's only one reason I wouldn't move to Utah and that's their laws on the alcohol content in beer.
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  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
    there's only one reason I wouldn't move to Utah and that's their laws on the alcohol content in beer.


    Utah is great is you are NOT mormon. As a mormon though, living there is crazy. Barq's rootbeer doesn't have caffeine in Utah; in California, it does. All sorts of wierd things there.
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  • Colt SuperColt Super Member Posts: 31,007 ✭
    edited November -1
    I wanted to leave raising that to you.

    I love Utah, with Mars as a close second !!

    Doug
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  • War Pig ActualWar Pig Actual Member Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You guys know that the alcohol content in beer in Utah is less than the light beer almost anywhere else right, and they just changed the law where you don't have to be a member of a bar to drink there. Maybe my liver would love Utah, but I wouldn't.
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  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 21,849 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
    there's only one reason I wouldn't move to Utah and that's their laws on the alcohol content in beer.


    I think if you went to the government run joints you get the regular alcohol content in beers. Or as seen in the movie "SLC Punk" if you want real beer you have one other choice, Wyoming[:D].

    I figure if San Andreas ever broke off a chunk all the green areas of California would be under water.
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