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Welfare recipient kept out of Canada
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Welfare client kept out of Canada files complaint
Associated Press - May 9, 2009 8:04 PM ET
OWOSSO, Mich. (AP) - A mid-Michigan woman says she was denied entry into Canada because she is on welfare.
Rose Kelley of Owosso says she has filed a discrimination complaint with the Canada Border Services Agency over its refusal to let her and her two children cross the border via the Blue Water Bridge connecting Port Huron with Sarnia, Ontario.
The 25-year-old Kelley tells The Argus-Press of Owosso that she planned to visit friends and relatives when she arrived at the border May 1. She says she was told to furnish evidence of citizenship, financial support and other documentation, but was denied entry again on May 3.
Kelley says she was told she didn't make enough money and people on welfare shouldn't take vacations.
Agency spokeswoman Patrizia Giolti says she can't discuss specifics of Kelley's case.
http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=10334479&nav=menu25_2
Associated Press - May 9, 2009 8:04 PM ET
OWOSSO, Mich. (AP) - A mid-Michigan woman says she was denied entry into Canada because she is on welfare.
Rose Kelley of Owosso says she has filed a discrimination complaint with the Canada Border Services Agency over its refusal to let her and her two children cross the border via the Blue Water Bridge connecting Port Huron with Sarnia, Ontario.
The 25-year-old Kelley tells The Argus-Press of Owosso that she planned to visit friends and relatives when she arrived at the border May 1. She says she was told to furnish evidence of citizenship, financial support and other documentation, but was denied entry again on May 3.
Kelley says she was told she didn't make enough money and people on welfare shouldn't take vacations.
Agency spokeswoman Patrizia Giolti says she can't discuss specifics of Kelley's case.
http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=10334479&nav=menu25_2
Comments
It all boils down to one thing. Everyone wants what's best for them. While they do what's best for THEIR country in selection of who may enter. They want us to see our nation destroyed by allowing millions of welfare case into ours.
We don't want American welfare bums in our country.
You will either try to overstay, and get on Canadian welfare, or else, you are selling drugs.
Beat it!
I have seen the same thing at the Mexican border.
I had given this guy a ride, I was driving by myself to Mexico.
Had been with for a day and a half, and I didn't like this guy. He didn't have two nickels to rub together and he was mooching food off of me, didn't have a dime for gas, etc.
We got to Mexican customs in Matamoros. The Mexican guards interviewed me, checked my papers, checked to see my Travelers Checks, and said, "Welcome to Mexico."
My traveling companion, they took into a little room.
I don't know what the hell happened, but I waited ten minutes.
Next I saw, that guy was being led out in handcuffs.
I don't know if they checked his records and he was wanted, or if he said something stupid, or if they just locked him up for being broke.
But, I figured it was time for us to part company.
I set his suitcase next to the customs office, and I drove off into Mexico by myself.
Those with a DUI on either side of the border are not allowed entry/exit is my understanding.
When you compare the two countries since the Obama coronation which one is more liberal or more socialist, the US or Canada? The Canadian people re-elected a conservative prime minister knowing what was necessary for their survival in this economic storm while the American people chose to commit suicide and elected a Marxist president. Think about it. Yes, we currently have more gun rights at the moment and lower sales taxes for the most part, but what else?
Good for them.Now if we could only stop them from voting,this country would see changes for the good.
Canadia pipple need to be stopp-ed frum voting ??
OK by me.
Doug
Would have been one down and a couple of million to go.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
The passport I have has a computer chip in it maybe something on there raised a flag to the canooks.
more to this story than has been told so far.
While I do not believe in welfare, social security, etc., it appears I hold a slightly different view of the people who receive these benefits than many others.
-I do not blame these people for taking these benefits. People have been brought into this fold with the blessing of the federal government, and have been told it is ok to live like this. To some it is a way of life that has been ingrained in them much like responsibility has been taught to the majority of us.
-Disliking all who receive these benefits is like hating all who use tax loopholes to protect their money. Nobody on this board can tell me that they do not shelter anything and everything they can, nor utilize every write off that is available to them.
-With government and society having given these people the ok to live on the public dole, I simply cannot hate them for taking advantage of a system that was clearly set up to be taken advantage of.
-When the government and society tells people enough is enough, and educates them that supporting themselves is required, and cuts these benefits then we have a complaint.
-There are many more factors that figure into these people being supported by the government than us normal working class can comprehend. IMHO it is much like blaming illegal immigrants for migrating to our country. I do not blame them, I blame our system, and the companies that use them and sustain the status quo
While I believe Canada has the right to restric anyone from entering her sovereign territory at her discretion, I am a bit taken back by some peoples hostility towards Welfare recipients.
While I do not believe in welfare, social security, etc., it appears I hold a slightly different view of the people who receive these benefits than many others.
-I do not blame these people for taking these benefits. People have been brought into this fold with the blessing of the federal government, and have been told it is ok to live like this. To some it is a way of life that has been ingrained in them much like responsibility has been taught to the majority of us.
-Disliking all who receive these benefits is like hating all who use tax loopholes to protect their money. Nobody on this board can tell me that they do not shelter anything and everything they can, nor utilize every write off that is available to them.
-With government and society having given these people the ok to live on the public dole, I simply cannot hate them for taking advantage of a system that was clearly set up to be taken advantage of.
-When the government and society tells people enough is enough, and educates them that supporting themselves is required, and cuts these benefits then we have a complaint.
-There are many more factors that figure into these people being supported by the government than us normal working class can comprehend. IMHO it is much like blaming illegal immigrants for migrating to our country. I do not blame them, I blame our system, and the companies that use them and sustain the status quo
Well well, another one of those people that are "the government must save me" crowd.
How much in welfare benefits are YOU collecting?
I blame lazy, irresponsible people for LIVING off welfare. I blame the politicians for instituting it. I blame ALL of us for it's continuence.
Welfare NEEDS to be eliminated. It is a waste of our money.
I wush we could adopt the Canadian system of keeping undesirables out of our country. Everybody talks about illegals. Actually it's indesirables we should be concerned about.
quote:Originally posted by Todesengel
While I believe Canada has the right to restric anyone from entering her sovereign territory at her discretion, I am a bit taken back by some peoples hostility towards Welfare recipients.
While I do not believe in welfare, social security, etc., it appears I hold a slightly different view of the people who receive these benefits than many others.
-I do not blame these people for taking these benefits. People have been brought into this fold with the blessing of the federal government, and have been told it is ok to live like this. To some it is a way of life that has been ingrained in them much like responsibility has been taught to the majority of us.
-Disliking all who receive these benefits is like hating all who use tax loopholes to protect their money. Nobody on this board can tell me that they do not shelter anything and everything they can, nor utilize every write off that is available to them.
-With government and society having given these people the ok to live on the public dole, I simply cannot hate them for taking advantage of a system that was clearly set up to be taken advantage of.
-When the government and society tells people enough is enough, and educates them that supporting themselves is required, and cuts these benefits then we have a complaint.
-There are many more factors that figure into these people being supported by the government than us normal working class can comprehend. IMHO it is much like blaming illegal immigrants for migrating to our country. I do not blame them, I blame our system, and the companies that use them and sustain the status quo
Well well, another one of those people that are "the government must save me" crowd.
How much in welfare benefits are YOU collecting?
I blame lazy, irresponsible people for LIVING off welfare. I blame the politicians for instituting it. I blame ALL of us for it's continuence.
Welfare NEEDS to be eliminated. It is a waste of our money.
Government must save me crowd? Hardly.
I do find it funny that you would think that I am collecting government aid from that post, did you even bother to read it, or did you just skim for the points that you WANTED to see?
Some people have been told their whole life it is theirs for the taking. Society as a whole (including you and I) have allowed this thinking to perpetuate, so WE are ALL responsible for our current situation.
Lazy people are told it is ok to be lazy, some do not know any better. Public assistance is a way of life in many communities, and been given a gold star. If my thinking makes me one of the government must save me crowd in your eyes, I guess perception is reality huh?
Kelley says she was told she didn't make enough money and people on welfare shouldn't take vacations.
Dern right!! She needs to get out there and find a job.......or another job........or another job until she can get off the system. Until then, she's got no business wasting money on travel/vacations. Of course, the lady probably has no intention of getting off welfare anyway, so of course she's "offended" at the suggestion that she doesn't "deserve" a vacation.
Don
I have always said that Canada would drop its socialism and liberalism if they had % 13 of their population blacks and % 13 hispanics.
Sounds like they may be wary of a few dozen breeding pairs getting in .
quote:Originally posted by robbie penny
I have always said that Canada would drop its socialism and liberalism if they had % 13 of their population blacks and % 13 hispanics.
Sounds like they may be wary of a few dozen breeding pairs getting in .
hahaha
To you, a parasite who doesn't work and who lives off the labor of others, is the same as someone who does work, and who applies the laws set up by the IRS when they file their taxes.
What are you smoking?
What the hell does Canada expect. People on welfare to WORK 7 days a week?
While I believe Canada has the right to restric anyone from entering her sovereign territory at her discretion, I am a bit taken back by some peoples hostility towards Welfare recipients.
While I do not believe in welfare, social security, etc., it appears I hold a slightly different view of the people who receive these benefits than many others.
-I do not blame these people for taking these benefits. People have been brought into this fold with the blessing of the federal government, and have been told it is ok to live like this. To some it is a way of life that has been ingrained in them much like responsibility has been taught to the majority of us.
-Disliking all who receive these benefits is like hating all who use tax loopholes to protect their money. Nobody on this board can tell me that they do not shelter anything and everything they can, nor utilize every write off that is available to them.
-With government and society having given these people the ok to live on the public dole, I simply cannot hate them for taking advantage of a system that was clearly set up to be taken advantage of.
-When the government and society tells people enough is enough, and educates them that supporting themselves is required, and cuts these benefits then we have a complaint.
-There are many more factors that figure into these people being supported by the government than us normal working class can comprehend. IMHO it is much like blaming illegal immigrants for migrating to our country. I do not blame them, I blame our system, and the companies that use them and sustain the status quo
What part about the childhood story about the Grasshopper and the Ants did you not understand?
I simply cannot hate them for taking advantage of a system that was clearly set up to be taken advantage of.
That's a very strange way of looking at things.....
Lots of things are set up to be taken advantage of, but that doesn't make it right to do so.
Kudos to the Canuks
Also interesting how many on here are ready to judge this woman just on the fact that she is on welfare. Not everyone on welfare is a lazy person. No one this forum knows her situation. Maybe this woman's friends are paying for her gas to and from her home? Maybe this woman lost her job due to the economy. Pathetic how so many on this forum will judge her without knowing any facts. It is clear the ones complaining about her have never been in her situation. Maybe he husband abandoned her and the 2 kids and left her with nothing. Real easy to sit in your nice homes on youe expensive computers and judge someone.
Now on the other hand maybe she is a career welfare receipent. Maybe she is taking her welfare check and going on vacation. Maybe she is taking advantage of the sustem. I do not know and neither does anyone on this forum.
Proof of Financial support is common for entrance to many developed nation including the USA. My Dad married a Viet lady and every time they have visitors from Vietnam, there are those requirements. For this welfare recipient to think she was being singled out is a laugh.
Been in and out of Canady 3 different times and never ask anything about my finances.
Lots of things are set up to be taken advantage of, but that doesn't make it right to do so.
nowhere do I say this is right, my statement was merely meant to state that with some it has been ingrained as a right rather than help. Who's fault is it that this has been allowed to happen? Children will often follow the path of least resistance, and if this is the environment they were brought up in it is a learned behavior, much like the ethics and morals we teach our own children.
quote:To you, a parasite who doesn't work and who lives off the labor of others, is the same as someone who does work, and who applies the laws set up by the IRS when they file their taxes.
What are you smoking?This was simply an example in the behavior of people. If you seen it as anything more than that I am sorry.
You expect people to raised in a certain household to act/think like you? I would wager a bet that the majority of these people did not have once caring parent let alone two. People tend to think the way they were raised. I am in no way defending welfare, but people on these programs need to be deprogrammed much the way the masses do from government interference.
Government infact ENCOURAGES people to turn to these programs as a way out, I have heard the commercials on the radio across this country.
If you cannot make a distinction between your hatred towards a program v. the people who use it I am sorry. I read all the time on here how proud some of you are for turning an anti-gunner into a fan of firearms, where is the difference between the mindsets? If you can show a person the benefits of personal responsibility who has never had a person before to show them is that not also a victory? Can you truly call all people on public assistance "parasites" and be comfortable with that?
My point is not to defend a unjust system, or even the "victims" of the system. The biggest injustice from these programs are the people who they "trap". People who are on these programs (lifers) have been told this is all they are, and all they will ever be. Full potential is never realized.
Call me a liberal for having these beliefs, but I am far from it, and believe in complete and total accountability for ones actions. That being said a person must first be given a chance to advance, and that often means they need to be shown the way. You cannot simply dismiss a person because they have never had the same chance, or opportunity you were afforded.
Entry into the US or Canada by a citizen of either nation is upon the sole discretion of the individual border guard at the point of entry regardless if the citizen has a halo around their head with all the proper travel documentation in hand or if they are a three time loser felon. That is fact, just call DHS/INS Border Patrol and verify for yourself.
We do not know how the initial interview went at the point of entry. I have personally witnessed legitimate visitors turned away because they did not have a specific travel destination planned or possessed inadequate funds for the visit they planned. For whatever reason in this particular case the border guard was not satisfied that this lady met the criteria for entry upon concluding the entry interview.
Draft dodgers getting into the country either get in by slipping past the entry points before their records are flagged or by a liberal government policy that is in office at that time.
Very well may have come up when they ran her drivers license or state ID number or she may have displayed behavior characteristics during the three question entry interview that raised suspicions. They usually go wit an initial three questions, then twenty questions, then an inspection, and then rejection if the person attempting to enter is not giving them a straight story.
In any event, if this lady thought she was wrongly denied entry into Canada she could have returned to the US border office and obtained a re-entry permit for a second try. I suppose it is more cost effective, being a minority, to sue and win money. Maybe the next time we here about this lady is when she sues Denny's or some other food chain for seating her near the kitchen.