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Opinion's 1911
hdcolt51
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In your opinion who makes the best 1911.All of my colts are over 20 years old and I have never had a problem with them.One Kimber that I bought in 97 no problems and a Springfield long slide that I bought a few years ago that is one fine shootin' pistol.I have shot Wilson,Les Baer,Nighthawk while they are a very fine pistol I could never justify the expense.
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Too old to live...too young to die...
their fit and finish are great as well as out of the box accuracy
Every gun you mentioned is good. Minor variations on a theme. I prefer genuine Colt but that's me. Individual opinions will vary.
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Your mileage will not vary but if you are on the metric system ... Well just can't help you there.
I like the one I have and cannot afford another at this time. Therefore, it is the best 1911.
Your mileage will not vary but if you are on the metric system ... Well just can't help you there.
I like the one I cannot afford better than the one that I have [;)]
Nah, I'm content with the one that I have, too. The way I read your post the first time just sounded funny before I slowed down and reread it.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
I like the one I have and cannot afford another at this time. Therefore, it is the best 1911.
Your mileage will not vary but if you are on the metric system ... Well just can't help you there.
I like the one I cannot afford better than the one that I have [;)]
Nah, I'm content with the one that I have, too. The way I read your post the first time just sounded funny before I slowed down and reread it.
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That's all I got ... PARA USA Expert. Of all the 1911's I have owned it's hands down the best dang blasted lead spitt'n 1911 workhorse I ever held.
Oh this was the other one I owned. Disappeared in childhood. Figure some desperado stole it:
Best $159 I ever spent on a gun[:D]
otherwise enjoy as many as you can
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Shooting?
Collecting?
Barbecue gun?
Matches?
Status symbol?
I have a few 1911s...all are gorgeous because they are 1911s. Some cost more than others. I have a couple nickel SIGs which are simply stunning. My Desert Eagle is incredibly accurate--so much so that a buddy who owned a Colt Match 1911 traded it in for a DE1911. I have an inexpensive chrome GIRSAN which is absolutely beautiful and I ALWAYS get comments at the range.
I want a Colt for the name, and one day I will get one. Wilson too, probably.
But BEST? I have favorites, but I think any well made 1911 from a reputable company is terrific.
Iquote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
Wilson is made of high carbon steel, parts are made from billet steel, average Wilson is good for 500,000 rounds before it shows wear compared to 50,000 on most other manufacturers
their fit and finish are great as well as out of the box accuracy
As of 2011,,,,,,,,,,excerpt,,,,,,,,at one time MIM was used,,,,,,,
Again, all of us guys here, including Bill Wilson use the very same MIM parts in our guns. And we shoot a bunch! Once installed and fit, no one can tell the difference in the feel of the trigger pull with either type of parts.
Ok, I'm done with my book. Hope this helps too. Just didn't want you all to believe everything you read from self appointed experts.
Frank Robbins Wilson Combat"
nice cut and past from someone at defensivecarry.com, but completely out of text
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/125106-what-wilson-combat-thinks-mim-parts-1911s.html
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Wilson Combat thinks of MIM parts in 1911s...
Although Wilson Combat no longer uses MIM, it's not because of failures or deficiencies of MIM as you will see from this article. I took the liberty of highlighting some salient points:
"The 1996A2 is the base gun for all our models. On the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) log books, it will say 1996A2 no matter what the model is.
In 1996 we first came out with our own guns. The first ones said 1996A2 on one side and on the other it said whatever the model was Protector, CQB etc.
Note: On the right side of my gun is imprinted: Wilson Combat.
On the left side of my gun is imprinted :1996A2 .45 cal auto.
We also sold a basic model called the 1996A2. It was very close to a CQB, but did not have checkering or serrations on the front strap and had rubber panel grips. It came in Parkerize or blue and later was available in hard chrome frame/black Polymer top or in all Polymer (forerunner of our Armor Tuff.) (Then) At this time our Protectors & Classics were marked Service Grade. Later this name was dropped (about the time we started the CQB.) You might still find CQB's or some of the other models marked 1996A2 or Service Grade.
Also, to clear up another question, the CQB and carbon steel Protectors are identical except in color and that the Protector comes with a full length guide rod and the CQB comes with a short guide (this is now a steel short guide rod. Originally it was in polymer to work as another form of buffer, but was being knocked because people did not understand the principal. We here, including Bill Wilson still use the polymer type.)
The short guide is used in the CQB because ordinally designed for the military, a long guide rod is a little harder to disassembly/reassembly in a field environment.
This year (2002), we have dropped the carbon steel Protector and Protector Compact. The customer can now order the CQB/CQB Compact in all black, all grey (new color Armor Tuff), all OD Green, or Black over Green or Black over Grey. And if desired, a full length guide rod. Because of this, there is no need for the carbon steel Protectors, however we will still make the all stainless steel and Black over Stainless steel Protectors.
I hope this helps everyone to understand our products and some of the reasons behind them.
Frank Robbins Wilson Combat
One other thing I forgot to address. MIM parts. A company that I will not name gave the MIM parts a bad name because they had a bad batch of MIM parts. This was many years ago. Since then remarkable things have happened.
MIM parts are extremely dense and very exact. They are much less prone to wear and breakage than a factory Colt, Spfg. etc. part. This is why we use them in our CQB's, etc. Although not quite as hard as our tool steel parts, they will last a very long time. This is why we can still quarante our total gun, including the MIM parts, for life.
The tool steel parts are actually overkill. The MIM parts last for life (I know of one gun that has over 100,000 rounds thru it and the trigger pull feels the same as it did when new) therefore I guess you could say the tool steel parts lasts for a lifetime and ?.
We use the tool steel parts in our full custom guns. (These are the ones that cost from $2800.00 up) Our full custom guns, Stealth, Tactical Elite, Super Grade and Tactical Super Grade, are not for everyone because of price. They are intended for someone that can afford the very best we can do.
They [tool steel] actually won't last any longer, shoot any straighter or be more dependable than our CQB's, Protectors and Classics, but we spend many extra hours in fitting and prepping them for a perfect cosmetic handgun as well as a great shooter. And because of this, we use the tool steel parts that take longer to fit.
Again, all of us guys here, including Bill Wilson use the very same MIM parts in our guns. And we shoot a bunch! Once installed and fit, no one can tell the difference in the feel of the trigger pull with either type of parts.
Ok, I'm done with my book. Hope this helps too. Just didn't want you all to believe everything you read from self appointed experts.
Frank Robbins Wilson Combat"
they stopped listing I think at least because the same parts are used from the millennium protector to the highest end all had the same "bullet proof" billet steel parts
Not out of context at all,,,,,,,,,you made a 'definitive' statement re Wilson Combat without regard to Mim parts being used in the past. And, in fact, they did use MIM parts,,,,,,,
BTW,,,,,, I've had more than one WC pistols I repaired with broken parts,,,,,,,,,one was a broken disconnector, the other was a mag. release where the holding tab broke. I have nothing against WC but painting them as the end all 1911 is not my cup of tea,,,,,,[;)]
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quote:Wilson is made of high carbon steel, parts are made from billet steel, average Wilson is good for 500,000 rounds before it shows wear compared to 50,000 on most other manufacturers
their fit and finish are great as well as out of the box accuracy
DEFINITIVE? maybe because he not looking for their first 1996a2 model, but a new one
that like saying ford puts seat belts in their cars, but holding it against that claimant because at one time they did not, again LOL
Arguing with you reminds me of the time you got got bent out of shape, accusing me of saying a Series 70 Colt had a firing pin block,,,,,,,,,and you had to retract your ire. And then, in the same thread, you said a 1911 hammer didn't have room for a 'hammer block' ,,,,,,,,and I presented a pix of one installed and again a retraction from you. LOL
I have an idea, you stick to shooting and raising peppers and I'll stick to wrenching on and building 1911s,,,,,,,,LOL,,,,,,[:D]
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and I don't remember saying a series 70 had a firing pin block
I do remember something about an aftermarket hammer gadget, that I was unaware of its existence, and obviously didn't take off, if I remember correctly I didn't "retract" anything but conceded to not being aware of such device , sorry you took it personal and hold a grudge
and BTW, that was taken out of context
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Never had an issue with any of my Detonics Scoremasters that came out of Washington State. I think the value is still the same but with today's dollar maybe not. 1980's thousand dollars ain't 2015's thousand dollars. Still wouldn't sell them for Nighthawk money [:D]. Damn thing cost more than my current car and I could haul all my guns and ammo and still have room for bodies.