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At what point is deportation a go to plan
yoshmyster
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for national security? I know "they" will say profiling is bad but which is worse? Profiling or body count? Also does sending back folks considered against human rights?
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An Illegal Alien (IA) may not tell you where he is from, or he may lie. So, where do you deport him to? Someone who speaks Spanish may tell you he is Canadian, but likely he is from Mexico or Central America. How do you know if he has no documents on him? And, how much of our money will we spend flying to some other country, & what do we do if they refuse to accept him?
Personally, I think anyone here illegally is a "threat to national security" until proven otherwise. Known IA felons & terrorists are so dangerous we should lock them up, not deport them. I think that "human rights" should include a toilet, a cot, & 3 meals a day while they wait in a detention center, but no IA is entitled to the rights of a citizen.
Neal
for national security? I know "they" will say profiling is bad but which is worse? Profiling or body count? Also does sending back folks considered against human rights?
Several points all relative to understanding DEMOCRATS.
1. We all know DEMOCRATs want to replace our capitalist republic with big government socialism. To do so, they must replenish their voter base with compliant subjects dependent upon government. All under the guise of such programs as open borders, diversity, and of course mass immigration.
Such programs were never about compassion: They were about votes.
2. As a result and with an active Obama administration in power, National Security was put on the back shelf in favor of open borders and immigration. Obama and his minions in the INS have imported many thousands of refugees, riffraff, and kept our borders open for one purpose and that is to increase the DEMOCRAT party voter base.
Every time someone like Trump or anyone else makes references condemning Obama doctrine or DEMOCRAT policies, they are branded by the DEMOCRAT propagandists in the media with such emotion inspiring and fiery rhetoric as racist, bigot, anti-immigrant, anti-Islamic, and even anti-American. The latest term the DEMOCRATs have thrown at the opposition is anti-human rights.
What the DEMOCRAT party don't get is, They were rejected and the whining and crying by their propaganda machine has just started.
After the WWII internment camps, I am surprised you ask Yoshmyster.
A good idea poorly imlimented does not negate the good idea. We do have better resource now.
How will history portray the actions of today, and would that warrant changing how we do things now?
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
After the WWII internment camps, I am surprised you ask Yoshmyster.
A good idea poorly imlimented does not negate the good idea. We do have better resource now.
How will history portray the actions of today, and would that warrant changing how we do things now?
It was never a good idea to send US citizens to an internment camp. Only paranoia and xenophobia could justify it. There was/is no evidence that anyone interred was guilty of treason or supporting Japan.
A bad idea badly executed councils extreme caution in future actions. Deporting the guilty is one thing, deporting everyone who does not agree with us in some way is a long step toward tyranny, the form of government that always follows democracy.
Anyone who is here illegally including those born here illegally should go home or have to pay a severe penalty and comply with all of the normal process of Naturalization.
When you say someone should have to pay a severe penalty you must assume they have some money or access to some money. They don't.
I am reminded of a situation in which a welfare women told Obama that she couldn't afford gas for her old car that only got 15 miles a gallon.
He told her that she needed to buy a new car that got better mileage. This is how people with a lot of money usually think. They can't connect with people who don't.
I'm gonna say "Last Week".
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
After the WWII internment camps, I am surprised you ask Yoshmyster.
A good idea poorly imlimented does not negate the good idea. We do have better resource now.
How will history portray the actions of today, and would that warrant changing how we do things now?
It was never a good idea to send US citizens to an internment camp. Only paranoia and xenophobia could justify it. There was/is no evidence that anyone interred was guilty of treason or supporting Japan.
A bad idea badly executed councils extreme caution in future actions. Deporting the guilty is one thing, deporting everyone who does not agree with us in some way is a long step toward tyranny, the form of government that always follows democracy.
Depends.
I must stand by my original statement even with the mis spelling of "implemented".
Jails are a bad idea then by your reasoning.
If you get caught sneaking across the border, SHOT, citizen or not.
If you get caught within the USA and are not a citizen, you get sent right to the Sheriff Joe camp.
If you cannot prove citizenship, you stay, with minimal amenities. Shower once a week, food for the first week. If you have no friends or family to vouch for you, too bad. Maybe get put on prison detail to get food benefit. If you are illegal, your friends or family can pay the fines and transportation to get you out of the country. If you committed a crime, well you do the time, and better hope your friends and family come through with food for you.
The system has to be implemented proper. It would work just fine.
to what race/ethnicity/nationality are you referring specifically? deport Mexicans here illegally? deport Blacks because of body count? Muslims? it would help to know who you are talking about.
I didn't even think about the Mexicans. Also there isn't a war going on in Mexico so it's not like dropping someone off at Afghanistan. I was thinking what that Somali done did. And figure all the others that came under that 'fugees status.
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
After the WWII internment camps, I am surprised you ask Yoshmyster.
I said deportation. Maybe it'll take a stack of bodies before they start giving away one way tickets to their home country? Say if that Somali was taken alive would he have done time or got a needle, gas or life? Can US execute foreign nationals?
Why keep monkey wrenchers interned? Ship them back to mid-east or Africa if they're in to that kind a crap. The way I see it they'll be going after soft targets, crowds and will get all '80's IRA when they take it up a level.
If they wanna intern them I say Gitmo. Figure Trump'll re-open that. Give a little back to Cuba like what they did with their "trash" a while back.
As for the interment camps, the US government imprisoned non-violent US nationals, like Nazi did. So if they were Radicalized Americans then no foul.