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NYS AGREES ON BUDGET
MFI
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Heard they just agreed ..
In that budget negotiations they were discussing "letting" us sell and purchase 10 round magazines and doing away with the April 15th deadline.. Waiting to hear if that went through or not anyone know? My hand gun business will depend on being able to sell the 10 round guns.. Its sad to think we have come to this..
In that budget negotiations they were discussing "letting" us sell and purchase 10 round magazines and doing away with the April 15th deadline.. Waiting to hear if that went through or not anyone know? My hand gun business will depend on being able to sell the 10 round guns.. Its sad to think we have come to this..
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But it does look like that we will get our 10rders back
not sure that is tied to the budget. It might be a part of the negoiations. But it would take an ammendment to the safe act.
But it does look like that we will get our 10rders back
Yes, but you can still only carry 7 rounds in them. BS! [:(!]
1911's & 8 shot .357 revolvers might be the way you NYer's might go for carry guns. Those and the newer micro autos like XDs or baby Glocks in 10mm or .45, sacrifice capacity for a larger/more powerful cartridge. I sympathize with you greatly as my State of WA tried to get nonsense passed this year too. If at all possible I think I'd be looking at leaving NY.
Yep, I bought a Springfield XDS. Seven + one .45 ACP JHP rounds oughta do it! [;)]
CT wants to one up all y'alls though. Ban on all semi-auto firearms that have a fixed magazine that can hold over ten rounds and all semi-autos that are capable of taking a magazine that holds over ten rounds. So in our case I might carry my 1911 with eight rounds and a second magazine but because out there in this vast place we call Earth there exists magazines for my gun that can hold more than ten rounds (even though I don't own one).....well, then my gun is banned. [:(!] [xx(] [:(!] [V]
quote:Originally posted by nards444
not sure that is tied to the budget. It might be a part of the negoiations. But it would take an ammendment to the safe act.
But it does look like that we will get our 10rders back
Yes, but you can still only carry 7 rounds in them. BS! [:(!]
no they are actually talking about leaving the mags at ten period. The 7rd number will disapper.
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by nards444
not sure that is tied to the budget. It might be a part of the negoiations. But it would take an ammendment to the safe act.
But it does look like that we will get our 10rders back
Yes, but you can still only carry 7 rounds in them. BS! [:(!]
no they are actually talking about leaving the mags at ten period. The 7rd number will disappear.
Not quite true. Ten rounds would only be allowed at designated shooting ranges and "maybe" at home.
Insisting that it is neither a "rollback," "substantive change," or acknowledgement of "haste" in how it was initially passed, Gov. Andrew Cuomo spent 10 minutes defending a proposal that would eliminate a ban on the sale of 10-round magazines, a key part of the gun control law he rushed through the Legislature in January.
"The gun bill was worked on probably ten times longer than the budget will be," Cuomo, a Democrat, said during a press conference. He said there are always "inconsistencies" that emerge in a "complicated" piece of legislation "once it's out and once it's second-guessed. With total hindsight, you will find grammatical errors and you will find confusing things."
This "inconsistency," Cuomo said, was that the law would prohibit the sale of any magazine capable of holding more than seven rounds but allow people to load 10 rounds into a magazine while at a designated shooting range. As Cuomo explained: "If you can put 10 bullets in a gun, you need a magazine that can hold 10 bullets."
Gun rights advocates have called the gun law, dubbed the SAFE Act, a de-facto ban on many pistols designed to accept eight-round magazines. The change would seem to alleviate that concern.
The SAFE Act broadened the definition of banned assault weapons, increased penalties for illegal gun possession, reduced public access to gun permit information, and required mental health professionals to report concerns about a gun-owning patient who posed a risk of harming himself or others.
The bill was unveiled on Jan. 14, and passed quickly through a "message of necessity" that waived the legally required three-day waiting period. The Senate, led by a Republican-dominated coalition, passed the measure by a 43-18 vote less than two hours after the bill's text became public. The Democrat-dominated Assembly passed the bill the next day, and Cuomo signed it.
There were no public hearings, and many of the bill's critics have criticized Cuomo's process as "dictatorial."
The governor said he and his aides consulted gun manufacturers over the course of "many, many weeks" but this issue came up.
"It was not hastily put together," he said.
http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/182655/cuomo-says-gun-law-was-not-hastily-passed/
Lawmakers said they were considering changes to New York's gun control law, the SAFE Act, including a softening of the seven-round cap on magazine capacity. A proposed amendment would allow people to buy magazines of up to 10-rounds, but still prevent them from loading them with more than seven rounds. It's possible the seven-round limit will be removed for firearms kept in a person's home.
http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/182602/a-m-roundup-budget-will-change-gun-law-send-rebates/
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...and required mental health professionals to report concerns about a gun-owning patient who posed a risk of harming himself or others.
...
"It was not hastily put together," he said.
...
These two specific points bother me tremendously...
The first point "...and required mental health professionals to report concerns about a gun-owning patient who posed a risk of harming himself or others."
While I agree that our health system does not address mental illness properly... IMO... It's NOT the business of MY doctor to determine IF I own a gun or not and then report that to the gub'ment authorities. This little tidbit opens up a 'Pandoras Box' of issues that become central about the "doctor's" ideology of right, wrong, and indifferent... My doctor may be pro-gun and genuinely believe I've become a danger to myself and others due to owning a gun... But then again, My doctor might very well be anti-gun and see this as a personal means to an end to get rid of guns by claiming "ALL gun owners have health issues and are at risk to themselves and others."
To place such authority in the hands of someone that has become an individual's personal physician with unique insights to his person, history, and needs... Is against ALL ideals of the Hippocratic Oath that medical professionals are expected to adhere to during their career. They are not law givers, lawyers, or law enforcement... They are damn doctors... Period.
The second point... " "It was not hastily put together," he said. " Is an out right damn lie...
He knows it, we know he knows it, he knows we know he knows it... And yet he tries to convince us ALL that he's not lying.
Pure Damn Politics... Period.
My guess is the loosening up of the mag restrictions is a bone being thrown our way.....how insulting...but then again Cuomo and his NYC ilk think everybody upstate is an ignorant hick.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by nards444
not sure that is tied to the budget. It might be a part of the negoiations. But it would take an ammendment to the safe act.
But it does look like that we will get our 10rders back
Yes, but you can still only carry 7 rounds in them. BS! [:(!]
http://newyork.newsday.com/news/region-state/new-york-gun-control-hudson-valley-gun-owners-hope-10-round-magazines-are-permitted-in-revised-law-1.4845643
no they are considering 10 rounds period. I understand you can buy or have 10 round prior to April 15th of this year. And only load them to 7. Anything made or purchased after 15 April that has 8 or more rounds is illegal.
I have seen this in multiple articles, part of the budget compromise and other factors such as the law suits, rally, and approval rating, has Cuomo to reconsider.
Does this mean we will in fact be able to buy purchase and load magazines to 10 rounds after April 15th NO. What i means is the old standard of 10 rounds in a 10 round magazine may be reinstated.
no they are actually talking about leaving the mags at ten period. The 7rd number will disappear.
Not quite true. Ten rounds would only be allowed at designated shooting ranges and "maybe" at home.
Insisting that it is neither a "rollback," "substantive change," or acknowledgement of "haste" in how it was initially passed, Gov. Andrew Cuomo spent 10 minutes defending a proposal that would eliminate a ban on the sale of 10-round magazines, a key part of the gun control law he rushed through the Legislature in January.
"The gun bill was worked on probably ten times longer than the budget will be," Cuomo, a Democrat, said during a press conference. He said there are always "inconsistencies" that emerge in a "complicated" piece of legislation "once it's out and once it's second-guessed. With total hindsight, you will find grammatical errors and you will find confusing things."
This "inconsistency," Cuomo said, was that the law would prohibit the sale of any magazine capable of holding more than seven rounds but allow people to load 10 rounds into a magazine while at a designated shooting range. As Cuomo explained: "If you can put 10 bullets in a gun, you need a magazine that can hold 10 bullets."
Gun rights advocates have called the gun law, dubbed the SAFE Act, a de-facto ban on many pistols designed to accept eight-round magazines. The change would seem to alleviate that concern.
The SAFE Act broadened the definition of banned assault weapons, increased penalties for illegal gun possession, reduced public access to gun permit information, and required mental health professionals to report concerns about a gun-owning patient who posed a risk of harming himself or others.
The bill was unveiled on Jan. 14, and passed quickly through a "message of necessity" that waived the legally required three-day waiting period. The Senate, led by a Republican-dominated coalition, passed the measure by a 43-18 vote less than two hours after the bill's text became public. The Democrat-dominated Assembly passed the bill the next day, and Cuomo signed it.
There were no public hearings, and many of the bill's critics have criticized Cuomo's process as "dictatorial."
The governor said he and his aides consulted gun manufacturers over the course of "many, many weeks" but this issue came up.
"It was not hastily put together," he said.
http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/182655/cuomo-says-gun-law-was-not-hastily-passed/
Lawmakers said they were considering changes to New York's gun control law, the SAFE Act, including a softening of the seven-round cap on magazine capacity. A proposed amendment would allow people to buy magazines of up to 10-rounds, but still prevent them from loading them with more than seven rounds. It's possible the seven-round limit will be removed for firearms kept in a person's home.
http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/182602/a-m-roundup-budget-will-change-gun-law-send-rebates/
http://newyork.newsday.com/news/region-state/new-york-gun-control-hudson-valley-gun-owners-hope-10-round-magazines-are-permitted-in-revised-law-1.4845643
no they are considering 10 rounds period. I understand you can buy or have 10 round prior to April 15th of this year. And only load them to 7. Anything made or purchased after 15 April that has 8 or more rounds is illegal.
I have seen this in multiple articles, part of the budget compromise and other factors such as the law suits, rally, and approval rating, has Cuomo to reconsider.
Does this mean we will in fact be able to buy purchase and load magazines to 10 rounds after April 15th NO. What i means is the old standard of 10 rounds in a 10 round magazine may be reinstated.
no they are actually talking about leaving the mags at ten period. The 7rd number will disappear.
Did you even read the article you linked? It says that IF they reinstate the 10-round mags, you can still only carry 7 rounds in them.
Now Cuomo and state Democrats are considering an amendment that again would allow New Yorkers to buy 10-round magazines. The law still would limit gun owners to loading those magazines with only seven rounds, except in certain situations such as practice sessions at firing ranges.
right, but there is thought he is going to do away with the 7 number all together. Any having a 10 but only saying 7, who in their right mind as an LEO is going to around and enforce that.
Well, enforcement is another issue. Most LEO's aren't going to be checking CCW's to see how many rounds you're carrying and they wouldn't even know you're carrying anyway unless you use your handgun in public. I think it would only be enforced if used in a crime. However, the mere possession of 8 rounds or more in a magazine is a Class D felony, higher than child molestation or rape. That is pure BS.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
right, but there is thought he is going to do away with the 7 number all together. Any having a 10 but only saying 7, who in their right mind as an LEO is going to around and enforce that.
Well, enforcement is another issue. Most LEO's aren't going to be checking CCW's to see how many rounds you're carrying and they wouldn't even know you're carrying anyway unless you use your handgun in public. I think it would only be enforced if used in a crime. However, the mere possession of 8 rounds or more in a magazine is a Class D felony, higher than child molestation or rape. That is pure BS.
I agree where in this together. See I thought having 8 or more was misty, but having more than a 10 round mag would be the felony.
But in the end a year from now I dont think this law will be what it looks like right now. Does it get worse I dont think so, does it get better probably not, maybe marginally.
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by nards444
right, but there is thought he is going to do away with the 7 number all together. Any having a 10 but only saying 7, who in their right mind as an LEO is going to around and enforce that.
Well, enforcement is another issue. Most LEO's aren't going to be checking CCW's to see how many rounds you're carrying and they wouldn't even know you're carrying anyway unless you use your handgun in public. I think it would only be enforced if used in a crime. However, the mere possession of 8 rounds or more in a magazine is a Class D felony, higher than child molestation or rape. That is pure BS.
I agree where in this together. See I thought having 8 or more was misty, but having more than a 10 round mag would be the felony.
But in the end a year from now I dont think this law will be what it looks like right now. Does it get worse I dont think so, does it get better probably not, maybe marginally.
A year from now, I'll be back home in the sunny, warm and gun-friendly Commonwealth of Virginia. [^]
All this talk of 7 and 10 round limits is fascinating.....What about those of us that may (or may not) have #) round mags? Nothing on that!! SCREW Cuomo and his ilk!![:(!]
what do you mean? Im confused
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
All this talk of 7 and 10 round limits is fascinating.....What about those of us that may (or may not) have #) round mags? Nothing on that!! SCREW Cuomo and his ilk!![:(!]
what do you mean? Im confused
I think he meant 30 round (same keyboard keys). Those have been illegal since 1994 if they're post-ban. Pre-bans were still allowed but, under the UnSafe Act, those will be illegal as well.
Customer said he heard on news today we will now be able to buy and sell 10 rounders past the April 15th deadline..I would like to see it in writing..
not in writing yet.
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
1911's & 8 shot .357 revolvers might be the way you NYer's might go for carry guns. Those and the newer micro autos like XDs or baby Glocks in 10mm or .45, sacrifice capacity for a larger/more powerful cartridge. I sympathize with you greatly as my State of WA tried to get nonsense passed this year too. If at all possible I think I'd be looking at leaving NY.
Yep, I bought a Springfield XDS. Seven + one .45 ACP JHP rounds oughta do it! [;)]
The XDs is 7 plus one?
I thought it was a 5 plus one.
Maybe I am missing a joke somewhere.
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
1911's & 8 shot .357 revolvers might be the way you NYer's might go for carry guns. Those and the newer micro autos like XDs or baby Glocks in 10mm or .45, sacrifice capacity for a larger/more powerful cartridge. I sympathize with you greatly as my State of WA tried to get nonsense passed this year too. If at all possible I think I'd be looking at leaving NY.
Yep, I bought a Springfield XDS. Seven + one .45 ACP JHP rounds oughta do it! [;)]
The XDs is 7 plus one?
I thought it was a 5 plus one.
Maybe I am missing a joke somewhere.
It comes with two 5-round mags but I also bought two 7-rounders for it.
Extended mags for a full size grip.
Gotcha Spider!
Extended mags for a full size grip.
Yep, and I put Pearce Grip Extensions like this on the 5-rounders for a better grip.
I also cut down a Hogue Hand-All rubber grip for the pistol so I have finger grooves.
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
All this talk of 7 and 10 round limits is fascinating.....What about those of us that may (or may not) have #) round mags? Nothing on that!! SCREW Cuomo and his ilk!![:(!]
what do you mean? Im confused
I think he meant 30 round (same keyboard keys). Those have been illegal since 1994 if they're post-ban. Pre-bans were still allowed but, under the UnSafe Act, those will be illegal as well.
Yes, I did mean 30 round mags....and they are not illegal unless they were made after Sept 13 1994. The pre-ban ones are the ones I am speaking of. I suppose they are still to evil to trust us mortals with.[V][:(!]
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
All this talk of 7 and 10 round limits is fascinating.....What about those of us that may (or may not) have #) round mags? Nothing on that!! SCREW Cuomo and his ilk!![:(!]
what do you mean? Im confused
I think he meant 30 round (same keyboard keys). Those have been illegal since 1994 if they're post-ban. Pre-bans were still allowed but, under the UnSafe Act, those will be illegal as well.
Yes, I did mean 30 round mags....and they are not illegal unless they were made after Sept 13 1994. The pre-ban ones are the ones I am speaking of. I suppose they are still to evil to trust us mortals with.[V][:(!]
Those are now illegal as well. They removed the "Grandfather Clause" for pre-ban mags.
Go here and scroll to "Magazines": http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by nards444
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
All this talk of 7 and 10 round limits is fascinating.....What about those of us that may (or may not) have #) round mags? Nothing on that!! SCREW Cuomo and his ilk!![:(!]
what do you mean? Im confused
I think he meant 30 round (same keyboard keys). Those have been illegal since 1994 if they're post-ban. Pre-bans were still allowed but, under the UnSafe Act, those will be illegal as well.
Yes, I did mean 30 round mags....and they are not illegal unless they were made after Sept 13 1994. The pre-ban ones are the ones I am speaking of. I suppose they are still to evil to trust us mortals with.[V][:(!]
Those are now illegal as well. They removed the "Grandfather Clause" for pre-ban mags.
Go here and scroll to "Magazines": http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq
Seems it is OK 'til Jan 2014. So, not illegal yet.
Q: What if I have a magazine that can contain more than ten rounds?
A: You can permanently modify the magazine so that it holds no more than ten rounds, responsibly discard it, or sell it to a dealer or an out of state purchaser by January 15, 2014.