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Propane furnace issue?

guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
edited January 2017 in General Discussion
It was cold in the house this AM. The small fan would come on, the furnace would try to cycle but, would shut itself off after about a minute. All the trouble shooting places said to start with the pressure switch, then the igniter.

I looked all over hell's half acre for the pressure switch....never did find it but I did find the broken igniter that was the problem. The furnace is fixed now, so all is well....except ....where the hell is the pressure switch?

I bought the place in 1998 and the furnace was brand new that year. Were there no pressure switches required back then? I have looked all over the Internet. I can't find the answer, so I came to the place with the most knowledgeable people I know.

I know one of you smart * gentlemen know the correct answer.[:D]

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  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
  • GrasshopperGrasshopper Member Posts: 17,019 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, I would get ready for a replacement since it is 19 y/o. just saying. And you will notice savings on a new one and future problems that WILL occur to yours. Proactive approach will be your friend.
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by toad67
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLpxsquyx1k


    I would have diagnosed it....if I could have found it. I never did find one, so either there is not one, or it works fine.

    Therefore, my question....when did they start using them on propane furnaces?
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Back when I had a propane furnace, the 'small' fan (made from plastic) got some dirt in it and wouldn't spin fast enough to develop the pressure required to run the rest of the furnace. I took it apart to clean it and it was scored enough that it had to be replaced.

    Have you noticed a different sound to the furnace start up?
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    No difference in the startup at all.
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
    Back when I had a propane furnace, the 'small' fan (made from plastic) got some dirt in it and wouldn't spin fast enough to develop the pressure required to run the rest of the furnace. I took it apart to clean it and it was scored enough that it had to be replaced.

    Have you noticed a different sound to the furnace start up?




    I have had the hose from the small fan going g to a pressure switch get some dirt in it. Blow out the 1/4 inch clear hose to the metal pancake switch.
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
    quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
    Back when I had a propane furnace, the 'small' fan (made from plastic) got some dirt in it and wouldn't spin fast enough to develop the pressure required to run the rest of the furnace. I took it apart to clean it and it was scored enough that it had to be replaced.

    Have you noticed a different sound to the furnace start up?




    I have had the hose from the small fan going g to a pressure switch get some dirt in it. Blow out the 1/4 inch clear hose to the metal pancake switch.


    That is the issue....I never did find a pressure switch. I know what it does, where it is supposed to be and what it looks like......there just isn't one!
  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    That is the issue....I never did find a pressure switch. I know what it does, where it is supposed to be and what it looks like......there just isn't one!

    You state in the op that your furnace was a 1998 "model".

    Gas Furnace pressure switches did not come about until around 2006 or 2007.

    May the problem you're not finding one.
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    That is the issue....I never did find a pressure switch. I know what it does, where it is supposed to be and what it looks like......there just isn't one!

    You state in the op that your furnace was a 1998 "model".

    Gas Furnace pressure switches did not come about until around 2006 or 2007.

    May the problem you're not finding one.


    That is the answer to the question I asked!

    Thank you!
  • pistoljimpistoljim Member Posts: 967 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    That is the issue....I never did find a pressure switch. I know what it does, where it is supposed to be and what it looks like......there just isn't one!

    You state in the op that your furnace was a 1998 "model".

    Gas Furnace pressure switches did not come about until around 2006 or 2007.

    May the problem you're not finding one.

    Pressure switches have been in furnaces since the introduction of the induced draft system back in the late 80's.
    Quickest way to find it is, locate a small rubber hose and find both ends. one end will be connected to the press. sw. the other will be conn. to either the draft motor housing or the front panel of the furnace.
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pistoljim
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    That is the issue....I never did find a pressure switch. I know what it does, where it is supposed to be and what it looks like......there just isn't one!

    You state in the op that your furnace was a 1998 "model".

    Gas Furnace pressure switches did not come about until around 2006 or 2007.

    May the problem you're not finding one.

    Pressure switches have been in furnaces since the introduction of the induced draft system back in the late 80's.
    Quickest way to find it is, locate a small rubber hose and find both ends. one end will be connected to the press. sw. the other will be conn. to either the draft motor housing or the front panel of the furnace.



    Nope....not there...not anywhere.

    I was hoping Oakie would take a crack at this. I know he does it for a living.
  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pistoljim

    Pressure switches have been in furnaces since the introduction of the induced draft system back in the late 80's.
    Quickest way to find it is, locate a small rubber hose and find both ends. one end will be connected to the press. sw. the other will be conn. to either the draft motor housing or the front panel of the furnace.

    How did they put something on a furnace in the late 80's that was not invented until 2006??


    Pressure switch assembly for a furnace

    Patent Number -- US 8146584 B2
    Publication number -- US8146584 B2
    Publication type -- Grant
    Application number -- US 11/607,711
    Publication date -- Apr 3, 2012
    Filing date -- Dec 1, 2006
    Priority date -- Dec 1, 2006
    Fee status -- Paid
    Also published as -- CA2612523A1, US20080127962
    Inventors -- Kevin D. Thompson
    Original Assignee -- Carrier Corporation
  • Chief ShawayChief Shaway Member, Moderator Posts: 6,280 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    quote:Originally posted by pistoljim

    Pressure switches have been in furnaces since the introduction of the induced draft system back in the late 80's.
    Quickest way to find it is, locate a small rubber hose and find both ends. one end will be connected to the press. sw. the other will be conn. to either the draft motor housing or the front panel of the furnace.

    How did they put something on a furnace in the late 80's that was not invented until 2006??


    Pressure switch assembly for a furnace

    Patent Number -- US 8146584 B2
    Publication number -- US8146584 B2
    Publication type -- Grant
    Application number -- US 11/607,711
    Publication date -- Apr 3, 2012
    Filing date -- Dec 1, 2006
    Priority date -- Dec 1, 2006
    Fee status -- Paid
    Also published as -- CA2612523A1, US20080127962
    Inventors -- Kevin D. Thompson
    Original Assignee -- Carrier Corporation





    My furnace was put in around 96.
    It has a pressure switch on the stack blower.
  • Chief ShawayChief Shaway Member, Moderator Posts: 6,280 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    quote:Originally posted by pistoljim
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    That is the issue....I never did find a pressure switch. I know what it does, where it is supposed to be and what it looks like......there just isn't one!

    You state in the op that your furnace was a 1998 "model".

    Gas Furnace pressure switches did not come about until around 2006 or 2007.

    May the problem you're not finding one.

    Pressure switches have been in furnaces since the introduction of the induced draft system back in the late 80's.
    Quickest way to find it is, locate a small rubber hose and find both ends. one end will be connected to the press. sw. the other will be conn. to either the draft motor housing or the front panel of the furnace.



    Nope....not there...not anywhere.

    I was hoping Oakie would take a crack at this. I know he does it for a living.


    If it had one it would be obvious.
    The one on mine is anyway.
  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Chief Shaway
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    quote:Originally posted by pistoljim

    Pressure switches have been in furnaces since the introduction of the induced draft system back in the late 80's.
    Quickest way to find it is, locate a small rubber hose and find both ends. one end will be connected to the press. sw. the other will be conn. to either the draft motor housing or the front panel of the furnace.

    How did they put something on a furnace in the late 80's that was not invented until 2006??


    Pressure switch assembly for a furnace

    Patent Number -- US 8146584 B2
    Publication number -- US8146584 B2
    Publication type -- Grant
    Application number -- US 11/607,711
    Publication date -- Apr 3, 2012
    Filing date -- Dec 1, 2006
    Priority date -- Dec 1, 2006
    Fee status -- Paid
    Also published as -- CA2612523A1, US20080127962
    Inventors -- Kevin D. Thompson
    Original Assignee -- Carrier Corporation





    My furnace was put in around 96.
    It has a pressure switch on the stack blower.


    Pressure switches and regulators of one type or another for furnaces date all the way back to the 40's.

    Pressure switches today act more like the brains of a modern furnace. Any small problem detected and it will shut the furnace down.
    Even lightly tapping anywhere on the furnace can cause one to shut down.

    gas-furnace-pressure-switch-inducer-motor.jpg
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Chief Shaway
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    quote:Originally posted by pistoljim
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    quote:Originally posted by guntech59
    That is the issue....I never did find a pressure switch. I know what it does, where it is supposed to be and what it looks like......there just isn't one!

    You state in the op that your furnace was a 1998 "model".

    Gas Furnace pressure switches did not come about until around 2006 or 2007.

    May the problem you're not finding one.

    Pressure switches have been in furnaces since the introduction of the induced draft system back in the late 80's.
    Quickest way to find it is, locate a small rubber hose and find both ends. one end will be connected to the press. sw. the other will be conn. to either the draft motor housing or the front panel of the furnace.



    Nope....not there...not anywhere.

    I was hoping Oakie would take a crack at this. I know he does it for a living.


    If it had one it would be obvious.
    The one on mine is anyway.


    I thought so, too.

    After some internet research, I decided to just test the next obvious part and it was definitely bad. So, I replaced it and voila.....heat! Good thing, too....we're supposed to see single digits tonight.
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thermocuple is always the first place I look. You might get an ignite but if the T.C. does not see any heat. The safety shutoff kicks in.
  • pistoljimpistoljim Member Posts: 967 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    quote:Originally posted by pistoljim

    Pressure switches have been in furnaces since the introduction of the induced draft system back in the late 80's.
    Quickest way to find it is, locate a small rubber hose and find both ends. one end will be connected to the press. sw. the other will be conn. to either the draft motor housing or the front panel of the furnace.

    How did they put something on a furnace in the late 80's that was not invented until 2006??


    Pressure switch assembly for a furnace

    Patent Number -- US 8146584 B2
    Publication number -- US8146584 B2
    Publication type -- Grant
    Application number -- US 11/607,711
    Publication date -- Apr 3, 2012
    Filing date -- Dec 1, 2006
    Priority date -- Dec 1, 2006
    Fee status -- Paid
    Also published as -- CA2612523A1, US20080127962
    Inventors -- Kevin D. Thompson
    Original Assignee -- Carrier Corporation






    Here is an amana furnace from 1996 that has a press. sw
    this page tells you to remove press. sw. hose to relocate junction box.
    https://www.manualslib.com/manual/813264/Amana-Gui.html?page=18#manual
  • slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I recently was having issues with my 21 year old propane furnace. Decided to replace it rather than dump much in it. At 19 years its only a matter of time. I would be shopping for a replacement, if not now, before next fall.
  • guntech59guntech59 Member Posts: 23,188 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have been half assed looking for a more efficient replacement since last year, knowing it is close to the end of it's life cycle. I guess it is time to get serious.

    I'll have to get it done this spring or summer. [xx(]
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