Pet Deer Shot

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spasmcreek

KWP..kansas wildlife pricks....hopefully he recieves some public attention...oh yeah IF it was "sick".....kansas has NO censure/rules/ oversight on "guides"...just get the money ..kansas has the biggest poaching bust in USA history near Medicine Lodge getting racks for $$$ people out of OK and TX and a s---head judge in wichita finally dismissed it all saying deer in kansas have NO value....no reason that healthy deer could not have been relocated somewhere...some bureaucrats need euthanized for stupidity...we got a new game warden here ...never seen him outside of town

danielgage

that sure seems wrong there could have been a better way to do this

Wrangler

I'm sure there's more to the story than what is there.

Does this family take any responsibility for trying to domesticate a wild animal, thus breaking the law? Their actions started this whole series of events.

84Bravo1

They "removed" a Game Warden here in Mtn City for poaching a large Buck on the golf course my Mom lives on.

Several residents witnessed it.

You can't fix Stupid.

1911a1-fan

quote:According to Rankin, his department exhausted a number of solutions, including contacting a veterinarian about tranquilization - he says the vet could not properly assign a dosage since the animal was wild


why would someone worry about dosage when death is the end result anyway ?


quote:Rankin also says that if the deer had been infected by chronic wasting disease (a contagious neurological disease affecting deer, elk and moose)


how was this determined prior to the killing ?



having a wild animal as a pet is never a good idea , allowing it to swim with an 8 year old boy shows ignorance, if wildlife authorities knew of the deer and did nothing, and the deer hurt someone they would have blamed them , a slippery slope in the making

searcher5

Was a fella here, years ago, that would take in all manner of injured or orphaned animals. He raised a deer, from the time it was an orphaned fawn. He kept a collar on him, and everybody knew that he was as big a pet as a dog. He let it roam, but nobody bothered it. I was raising cattle at the time, and that deer would come right up, and feed on the range cubes with them.

Now, at that time, Kansas did not allow deer hunting. Another neighbor, shot that deer, and dressed him out. Stuck the hide in a trash can in back of his house. This person lived right on a highway, and had several big dogs. Well, the dogs drug that hide out, and carried it to the front yard, right by the highway. Just in time for the local game warden to come by. Cost him fines out the wazoo, and pretty much the distaste of the whole community. Moved off, not too long after that.

Not debating the merits, or lack thereof of keeping wild game as pets, but there are things you just do not do, and killing that deer was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Peace

Dan

eastbank

fish in a barrel, sort of like most of the hunting shows on TV, uncle ted shoots a lot of his fed pets and then acts like he did some thing great. a few great saying caught on a open mike, don,t shot the feeder, wait untill it leaves the barn, take the collar off before taking pictures and try not to get the fences in the pictures. mr myopic.

montanajoe

quote:Originally posted by danielgage
that sure seems wrong there could have been a better way to do this
+1,,[V][V][V]

47studebaker

In PA you can't get/take a wild animal as a pet. You could purchase one from a dealer and must get a permit and of course there are regulations that apply. (fence, animals health and such)

Had a family here that had an "illegal" pet deer, got out a couple of times but the last it attacked a woman and hurt her bad and when her husband tried to help the buck poked out his eye.

drl50

Never a good idea to domesticate wild animals. I have too many stories about neighbors being heartbroken over the demise of wild animals they got to know too well. My nearest neighbors kept their corn feeder full until summer. The does established a trail from the woods to the feeder. In April and May, the coyotes waited for them and picked off all their fawns, one at a time as they needed them.

JamesRK

You don't kill somebody's pet unless it's honest to God self defense or defense of others. In any event, when you need to kill an animal, or human for that matter, it needs to be done as quickly and humanely as possible.

eastbank

some human killers,not so quick. mr myopic.

shilowar

quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
quote:Originally posted by danielgage
that sure seems wrong there could have been a better way to do this
+1,,[V][V][V]


agreed

Alpine

All they had to do was put the pet deer inside.

I have seen DNR (Fish and Game) think they could enter private property (and even a home) with out a warrant. I have also seen Judges stomp on the toes of those same people.

The Captain of the San Diego office of Fish and Game reassigned wardens that did that kind of stuff. The did not see the light of day for many many years.

asop

Good intent often brings heart break. Better off leaving nature take it's course[V]

minitruck83

quote:Originally posted by Alpine
All they had to do was put the pet deer inside.

I have seen DNR (Fish and Game) think they could enter private property (and even a home) with out a warrant. I have also seen Judges stomp on the toes of those same people.

The Captain of the San Diego office of Fish and Game reassigned wardens that did that kind of stuff. The did not see the light of day for many many years.






Many states, they can..... just to check the cooler for poached game.

Alpine

quote:Originally posted by minitruck83
quote:Originally posted by Alpine
All they had to do was put the pet deer inside.

I have seen DNR (Fish and Game) think they could enter private property (and even a home) with out a warrant. I have also seen Judges stomp on the toes of those same people.

The Captain of the San Diego office of Fish and Game reassigned wardens that did that kind of stuff. The did not see the light of day for many many years.






Many states, they can..... just to check the cooler for poached game.


Kalif has a law, written to allow Fish and Game to enter restaurants, that the officers quoted. But the judges threw out the case because they entered a home, and then chewed like I have never seen a judge do in open court. And the Captain of the Fish and Game felt the over reach was worth destroying a wardens career.

No matter what they claim, DNR or Fish and Game, is law enforcement and bound by the same search and seizure that any law enforcement is bound to follow.

pwillie

...no such thing as wild pet.....

chollagardens

"Rankin also says that if the deer had been infected by chronic wasting disease (a contagious neurological disease affecting deer, elk and moose), moving her a far distance would risk the spread of infection."

Check the deer for the disease. What ever the answer is it will explain a lot.

LesWVa

quote:Originally posted by minitruck83
quote:Originally posted by Alpine
All they had to do was put the pet deer inside.

I have seen DNR (Fish and Game) think they could enter private property (and even a home) with out a warrant. I have also seen Judges stomp on the toes of those same people.

The Captain of the San Diego office of Fish and Game reassigned wardens that did that kind of stuff. The did not see the light of day for many many years.






Many states, they can..... just to check the cooler for poached game.


You know Truck a lot of people here in WV does not understand that a DNR officer has more authority than a State Trooper. They can search your car, house or property without any type of warrant at anytime. If you notice during "weed season" 99% of the time a DNR officer will accompany the state boys during during a search. When a crop is spotted from a chopper. They do not have go out to get a search warrant and go back in.

JamesRK

Alpine is right. Fish and game enforcement officers have the same authority for search and seizure as any other law enforcement officer.

I think the reason for the confusion is 'probable cause' in most fishing and hunting violations is more clear and easier to prove.

discusdad

varying state laws do permit GWs entry without a search warrant. in most states they have super Police powers.quote:Originally posted by Alpine
All they had to do was put the pet deer inside.

I have seen DNR (Fish and Game) think they could enter private property (and even a home) with out a warrant. I have also seen Judges stomp on the toes of those same people.

The Captain of the San Diego office of Fish and Game reassigned wardens that did that kind of stuff. The did not see the light of day for many many years.

armilite

quote:Originally posted by discusdad
varying state laws do permit GWs entry without a search warrant. in most states they have super Police powers.quote:Originally posted by Alpine
All they had to do was put the pet deer inside.

I have seen DNR (Fish and Game) think they could enter private property (and even a home) with out a warrant. I have also seen Judges stomp on the toes of those same people.

The Captain of the San Diego office of Fish and Game reassigned wardens that did that kind of stuff. The did not see the light of day for many many years.







They do here.

JamesRK

Search and seizure isn't a matter of state law. Search and seizure is in the "Bill of Rights", the fourth amendment to the U. S. Constitution.

There are Game Wardens who believe they have authority which goes beyond the U. S. Constitution and there are people who believe they are right, but they couldn't be more mistaken.

When you have a searcher who believes he has more authority than the U. S. Constitution and a searched who is willing to give him that authority and an ignorant judge or a judge with his head up his * and a few incompetent lawyers, it has the effect of the Game Warden actually having that authority, but it falls apart when tested. Most of us won't test it.
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AMENDMENT IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.