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If this was christan event he would be called
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/23/oklahoma-police-captain-refuses-attend-islamic-event/a hero this pc crap to the muslems is getting out of hand
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Capt. Paul Fields was reassigned after he refused to order officers under his command to attend the Islamic Center of Tulsa's Law Enforcement Appreciation Day, a spokesman for the department said.
"It is my opinion and that of my legal counsel that forcing me to enter a Mosque when it is not directly related to a police call for service is a violation of my Civil Rights," Fields wrote in an internal police department memo obtained by Fox News.
"I have no problem with officers attending on a voluntary basis; however, I take exception to requiring officers to attend this event," Fields wrote in an e-mail to his superior officer obtained by Fox News. "I believe this directive to be an unlawful order, as it is in direct conflict with my personal religious convictions."
Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan told FOX23-TV the event was about community relations, not religion.
"This was not religious," he said. "I would never assign a police officer to participate in religious service," he told the TV station. "This is about a group who bonded together because of their religion. We are not going there because they are Islamic. We are going there because they are Tulsa citizens."
However, according to a promotional flyer, the Islamic event included not just food and entertainment, but "presentations" on "beliefs, human rights, and women." They would also be able to watch a Muslim prayer service and take a tour of the mosque.
"It's up to you," the flyer stated.
Ibrahim Hooper, the spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, called the incident an example of "anti-Muslim bigotry."
"It's a symptom of the unfortunately rising level of anti-Muslim sentiment we have in our society," Hooper said. "It sends a message of marginalization that somehow Muslims aren't part of American society."
Hooper said he was satisfied with the way the police department handled the matter but said the incident signals a bigger issue.
"When somebody feels empowered to say `I'm not going to take part in a community outreach event at a mosque because I basically don't like Muslims,' it's all part of that rise in Islamophobia in our society," he said.
Gary Allison, a professor at the University of Tulsa College of Law, said the case poses a dilemma.
"It is true that individuals have their own religious beliefs and that they come to their workplace with their own religious beliefs," Allison said. "The question is, how far can an employer go to require people to go against their religious beliefs for something to do the job that they are supposed to do?"
Do I have this correct: Tulsa Police Officers were given the choice whether or not to attend. But then ordered to attend?
If the chief wanted to put a Happy Policeman Face in the mosque, his own would have worked well.
I go to church of my own choice, I agree with his right.
people have gone too far, i dont care if they call a anti-Muslim bigotry." things need to be clear.
I have read a book called sleath Jihad, it would be good reading by all.
Wait, It's a bad thing that people have the freedom to choose to not attend an event at a mosque??
quote:Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan told FOX23-TV the event was about community relations, not religion.
I can see where it would be a touchy subject if they are not required to attend other community functions, but this would seem to be one that having a few uniformed officers around would be a good idea. Muslim members of the community deserve the same protection everyone else does.
If they are ordered to attend other community events and have no problem doing it, then they should be attending this one. It has nothing to do with it being a mosque. The police chief had the correct quote:
quote:Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan told FOX23-TV the event was about community relations, not religion.
I can see where it would be a touchy subject if they are not required to attend other community functions, but this would seem to be one that having a few uniformed officers around would be a good idea. Muslim members of the community deserve the same protection everyone else does.
They weren't invited there to protect the muslims, but to be "appreciated" by them (police appreciation day). The capt said "forcing me to enter a Mosque when it is not directly related to a police call for service is a violation of my Civil Rights."
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
If they are ordered to attend other community events and have no problem doing it, then they should be attending this one. It has nothing to do with it being a mosque. The police chief had the correct quote:
quote:Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan told FOX23-TV the event was about community relations, not religion.
I can see where it would be a touchy subject if they are not required to attend other community functions, but this would seem to be one that having a few uniformed officers around would be a good idea. Muslim members of the community deserve the same protection everyone else does.
They weren't invited there to protect the muslims, but to be "appreciated" by them (police appreciation day). The capt said "forcing me to enter a Mosque when it is not directly related to a police call for service is a violation of my Civil Rights."
If it had been a christian event, he would have done it in a heart beat. He just has a problem with Muslims.
quote:Originally posted by rogue_rob
If they are ordered to attend other community events and have no problem doing it, then they should be attending this one. It has nothing to do with it being a mosque. The police chief had the correct quote:
quote:Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan told FOX23-TV the event was about community relations, not religion.
I can see where it would be a touchy subject if they are not required to attend other community functions, but this would seem to be one that having a few uniformed officers around would be a good idea. Muslim members of the community deserve the same protection everyone else does.
They weren't invited there to protect the muslims, but to be "appreciated" by them (police appreciation day). The capt said "forcing me to enter a Mosque when it is not directly related to a police call for service is a violation of my Civil Rights."
Gotcha. However, they are still part of the community. What sort of message does that send the community? He's a public figure, a leader of men and should recognize all parts of his community.
He was handed an opportunity to promote good relations between his agency and this segment of a community he's contracted to serve, but through use of a 'management by decree' style he's completely reversed the outcome.
He should've just asked for volunteers who wished to attend and offered some sort minor incentive. He would've undoubtedly lined up several to be there and put on the smiling face of his agency, but he instead created a complete PR disaster.
Being a good leader involves more than just issuing orders.
What's to investigate? I can save them some time, effort and money. He refused an order to assign officers to attend an upcoming Islamic event because it would violate his religious beliefs.
quote:"When somebody feels empowered to say `I'm not going to take part in a community outreach event at a mosque because I basically don't like Muslims,' it's all part of that rise in Islamophobia in our society," he said.
I think the next time a Muslim uses the word Islamophobia (fear of Islam) in my presence I'll demonstrate just how much I fear Islam.
quote:"It is true that individuals have their own religious beliefs and that they come to their workplace with their own religious beliefs," Allison said. "The question is, how far can an employer go to require people to go against their religious beliefs for something to do the job that they are supposed to do?"
They can go as far as necessary to require people to do the job that they are supposed to do. Attending religious services at a mosque is NOT the job that they are supposed to do.
If they are ordered to attend other community events and have no problem doing it, then they should be attending this one. It has nothing to do with it being a mosque. The police chief had the correct quote:
quote:Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan told FOX23-TV the event was about community relations, not religion.
I can see where it would be a touchy subject if they are not required to attend other community functions, but this would seem to be one that having a few uniformed officers around would be a good idea. Muslim members of the community deserve the same protection everyone else does.
Did you read it before you formed your wtrong opinion? This had nothing to do with protection and everything to do with embracing a 'religion'.
Religious or political issues aside, this Chief's a *.
He was handed an opportunity to promote good relations between his agency and this segment of a community he's contracted to serve, but through use of a 'management by decree' style he's completely reversed the outcome.
He should've just asked for volunteers who wished to attend and offered some sort minor incentive. He would've undoubtedly lined up several to be there and put on the smiling face of his agency, but he instead created a complete PR disaster.
Being a good leader involves more than just issuing orders.
You're right about that. I've even been able to get sailors to volunteer to attend embassy receptions, and that's something you can legally order them to do.
I ain't going to no Baptist Church, that is for sure.
I doubt if you'll ever be ordered to, but you have an open invitation. [:)]