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Cliven Bundy just lost almost all support

sharpshooter039sharpshooter039 Member Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭
edited May 2014 in General Discussion
Not only has he just proven he is an Idiot he also just proved he is a Racist, In an interview says all Negro;s should be back picking cotton
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy-makes-122813325.html
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  • GuvamintCheeseGuvamintCheese Member Posts: 38,932
    edited November -1
    Looks like his 15 minutes of fame is about up. Now just wait a few hours for the Dimocrats to start railing on Repubs for being just like Mr. Bundy....wont be long now.
  • sharpshooter039sharpshooter039 Member Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Its already starting, this one just popped up on yahoo naming politicians that supported the "pro slavery Bundy"
    http://news.yahoo.com/list-cliven-bundys-supporters-now-know-hes-pro-133625625.html
  • fordsixfordsix Member Posts: 8,554 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bad likker again[B)]
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He always came across as a rather flawed role model, but I must confess I did not expect this level of stupidity.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562
    edited November -1
    Bundy is the sort we don't need. A lightning rod of STUPID who draws people to himself and then turns out to be a thieving living off the government dole loud mouthed idiot that makes all gun owners look like knuckle dragging mouth breathing morons.

    His sorts feeds the propaganda machine on the other side, and too dang'd many folks cheer him on for it.
  • calrugerfancalrugerfan Member Posts: 18,209
    edited November -1
    He didn't portray his message very well. He didn't say that ALL blacks are better off. He pointed out that the ones in the projects are now completely unproductive.
  • JgreenJgreen Member Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Republicans tend to pick their friends based upon their common enemies...
  • nordnord Member Posts: 6,106
    edited November -1
    Before we all go off the deep end...

    What Mr. Bundy is or is not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the manner by which government chooses to deal with a citizen. A herd of cattle grazing on public land can't possibly justify armed government agents.

    This is not to say that Mr. Bundy shouldn't be dealt with, assuming there exists a basis for action and that government didn't change the game midstream. Further, while I find racial slurs repugnant, Mr. Bundy has a right to believe and a right to speak his mind.

    I said in a previous post and I'll say once more... I suspect there's a lot I don't know and I suspect that neither side is innocent in this matter. All the same I've seen nothing that would justify the use of armed force against Mr. Bundy.

    For all the world Mr. Bundy could be any citizen that government targets for any reason whatsoever. Once armed agents threatening force become the norm for even a minor offense or imagined offense, then we're all in deep trouble. It makes no difference whether it be Bundy or one of us. There's a line we dare not allow government to cross.
  • rossowmnrossowmn Member Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nord
    Before we all go off the deep end...

    What Mr. Bundy is or is not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the manner by which government chooses to deal with a citizen. A herd of cattle grazing on public land can't possibly justify armed government agents.

    This is not to say that Mr. Bundy shouldn't be dealt with, assuming there exists a basis for action and that government didn't change the game midstream. Further, while I find racial slurs repugnant, Mr. Bundy has a right to believe and a right to speak his mind.

    I said in a previous post and I'll say once more... I suspect there's a lot I don't know and I suspect that neither side is innocent in this matter. All the same I've seen nothing that would justify the use of armed force against Mr. Bundy.

    For all the world Mr. Bundy could be any citizen that government targets for any reason whatsoever. Once armed agents threatening force become the norm for even a minor offense or imagined offense, then we're all in deep trouble. It makes no difference whether it be Bundy or one of us. There's a line we dare not allow government to cross.




    +1. It's more about excessive government intrusion than about individual players.
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
    Bundy is the sort we don't need. A lightning rod of STUPID who draws people to himself and then turns out to be a thieving living off the government dole loud mouthed idiot that makes all gun owners look like knuckle dragging mouth breathing morons.

    His sorts feeds the propaganda machine on the other side, and too dang'd many folks cheer him on for it.



    The worst part about this is that there is most likely a few members of this forum who are behind him 100% of the way, and agree with every word he has said.
  • ChrisInTempeChrisInTempe Member Posts: 15,562
    edited November -1
    A burned out tail light on a car cannot possibly excuse a massive police response complete with SWAT guys and helicopters. Unless all that is built up slowly by the guy with the tail light not wanting to pull over, preferring to be chased, racing at high speeds through neighborhoods, evading road blocks or adding in any other quantity of foolishness over something so silly as a burned out light bulb.

    Folks who back Bundy do work hard to ignore all the years those "jack booted thugs" have kept this thing on the administrative and court action end of things. Now Bundy's antics and flat out refusal to live by the laws of this land are making simple matters dangerous. He's the one who brought up talk of guns, of militia, of violence.

    I'll agree with anyone here who thinks there's too much militarization of police, too many SWAT teams, etc. But that doesn't mean there aren't idiots out there who make all that stuff necessary from time to time.
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
    Bundy is the sort we don't need. A lightning rod of STUPID who draws people to himself and then turns out to be a thieving living off the government dole loud mouthed idiot that makes all gun owners look like knuckle dragging mouth breathing morons.

    His sorts feeds the propaganda machine on the other side, and too dang'd many folks cheer him on for it.


    Kinda like that * "Police Chief" in PA with the youtube videos. Another great horse to hitch your wagon too.
  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He screwed up big time In my opinion but Agenda 21 comes to mind and Ried and Son-in-law are knee deep in land grabbing.
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by TooBig
    He screwed up big time In my opinion but Agenda 21 comes to mind and Ried and Son-in-law are knee deep in land grabbing.



    How can it be called land grabbing when it never belonged to him in the first place? It's BLM land, which means publicly owned. They just kicked him off because he failed to pay for the type of usage he was using it for.
  • westernMDhunterwesternMDhunter Member Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
    He didn't portray his message very well. He didn't say that ALL blacks are better off. He pointed out that the ones in the projects are now completely unproductive.


    The man is right about that. The welfare check has replaced the father figure and they are ok with that.
  • sharpshooter039sharpshooter039 Member Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Before we all go off the deep end...

    What Mr. Bundy is or is not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the manner by which government chooses to deal with a citizen. A herd of cattle grazing on public land can't possibly justify armed government agents.

    This is not to say that Mr. Bundy shouldn't be dealt with, assuming there exists a basis for action and that government didn't change the game midstream. Further, while I find racial slurs repugnant, Mr. Bundy has a right to believe and a right to speak his mind.

    I said in a previous post and I'll say once more... I suspect there's a lot I don't know and I suspect that neither side is innocent in this matter. All the same I've seen nothing that would justify the use of armed force against Mr. Bundy.

    For all the world Mr. Bundy could be any citizen that government targets for any reason whatsoever. Once armed agents threatening force become the norm for even a minor offense or imagined offense, then we're all in deep trouble. It makes no difference whether it be Bundy or one of us. There's a line we dare not allow government to cross.
    I will agree with this to a point but the problem now is no political figure that wishes to keep office will ever back him again or they will be torn apart in the press. All He has accomplished is to allow the Government to have free reign, I bet even the press will not back him anymore.
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He never had my support.
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 40,233 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    Nord hit the X-ring!!
  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nord
    Before we all go off the deep end...

    What Mr. Bundy is or is not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the manner by which government chooses to deal with a citizen. A herd of cattle grazing on public land can't possibly justify armed government agents.

    This is not to say that Mr. Bundy shouldn't be dealt with, assuming there exists a basis for action and that government didn't change the game midstream. Further, while I find racial slurs repugnant, Mr. Bundy has a right to believe and a right to speak his mind.

    I said in a previous post and I'll say once more... I suspect there's a lot I don't know and I suspect that neither side is innocent in this matter. All the same I've seen nothing that would justify the use of armed force against Mr. Bundy.

    For all the world Mr. Bundy could be any citizen that government targets for any reason whatsoever. Once armed agents threatening force become the norm for even a minor offense or imagined offense, then we're all in deep trouble. It makes no difference whether it be Bundy or one of us. There's a line we dare not allow government to cross.




    Unfortunately the unwashed masses need to put a personality with the issue, so when that personality becomes tainted and flawed it undermines the issue. It is all marketing and packaging today, hence the reason we are stuck with Obama as the President, substance has little value to the "mob".
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How many times over the years do you think he was told to leave the property before it came to an armed conflict.
  • partisanpartisan Member Posts: 6,414
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nord
    Before we all go off the deep end...

    What Mr. Bundy is or is not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the manner by which government chooses to deal with a citizen. A herd of cattle grazing on public land can't possibly justify armed government agents.

    This is not to say that Mr. Bundy shouldn't be dealt with, assuming there exists a basis for action and that government didn't change the game midstream. Further, while I find racial slurs repugnant, Mr. Bundy has a right to believe and a right to speak his mind.

    I said in a previous post and I'll say once more... I suspect there's a lot I don't know and I suspect that neither side is innocent in this matter. All the same I've seen nothing that would justify the use of armed force against Mr. Bundy.

    For all the world Mr. Bundy could be any citizen that government targets for any reason whatsoever. Once armed agents threatening force become the norm for even a minor offense or imagined offense, then we're all in deep trouble. It makes no difference whether it be Bundy or one of us. There's a line we dare not allow government to cross.




    +1 This is about a jack booted federal government!
  • AmishAmish Member Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The Bundy Ranch media circus always came off as a psyop to me. Bundy is a shill. When Exlax Jones is involved it should throw red flags.

    The feds wanted another excuse to call Americans "domestic terrorists"; take names of anyone dumb enuff to drive out there.

    Also interesting how the world community sees the federal government taking a farm from a white rancher who makes comments about black slavery, like they are doing in South Africa.

    Whole thing just stinks. Not a cause to be involved in.
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,092 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nord
    Before we all go off the deep end...

    What Mr. Bundy is or is not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the manner by which government chooses to deal with a citizen. A herd of cattle grazing on public land can't possibly justify armed government agents.

    This is not to say that Mr. Bundy shouldn't be dealt with, assuming there exists a basis for action and that government didn't change the game midstream. Further, while I find racial slurs repugnant, Mr. Bundy has a right to believe and a right to speak his mind.

    I said in a previous post and I'll say once more... I suspect there's a lot I don't know and I suspect that neither side is innocent in this matter. All the same I've seen nothing that would justify the use of armed force against Mr. Bundy.

    For all the world Mr. Bundy could be any citizen that government targets for any reason whatsoever. Once armed agents threatening force become the norm for even a minor offense or imagined offense, then we're all in deep trouble. It makes no difference whether it be Bundy or one of us. There's a line we dare not allow government to cross.





    Bingo!

    We have a winner!

    And as I have brought out before many question the Constitutional concept that government has no basis for "owning" raw land.

    Judge Napolitano said on Hannity show:
    quote:Any such claim to federal land ownership (except federal enclaves) lack constitutional authority, and is therefore null and void. The federal government does not own the public lands. The People do. The issue is not land transfer. The issue is not even legislative authority, because the Constitution and Eisenhower Report are both consistent in saying the legislative authority over the lands within the states belongs to the states (except the federal enclaves). The states just have to exercise it.

    Remember the Constitution only gave the government very limited power. And any power not enumerated in the Constitution belongs to the States.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • wiplashwiplash Member Posts: 7,145 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I smell Commies!
    There is no such thing as Liberal Men, only Liberal Women with Penises.'
  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I guess this is a perfect example of the difference
    between a smart racist and a dumb one.
    Bundy is one dumb * fellow!!
    We have to fight so we can run away.
    Capt. Jack Sparrow.
  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's state land and the gov is grabbing it under agenda 21 so the AH gov doesn't own it and how long has his family been there. Back in the 1800 and wasn't a problem until the likes of Reid and other Gov grabbers went after it. Why is Texas fighting the same Fed land grab
  • AmishAmish Member Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Western states hold summit on controlling federal land, say 'It's simply time'
    April 19, 2014
    Lawmakers from Western states said Friday that the time has come for them to take control of federal lands within their borders and suggested the standoff this month between a Nevada rancher and the federal government was a problem waiting to happen.

    "What's happened in Nevada is really just a symptom of a much larger problem," Utah House Speaker Becky Lockhart, a Republican, told The Salt Lake Tribune.
    www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/19/western-lawmakers-strategize-on-taking-control-federal-lands/
  • dfletcherdfletcher Member Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is what he said, taken directly from the article:

    "I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids - and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch - they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.

    "And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he asked. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."

    Whether he's wrong or right regarding BLM is separate from the above comments - after all, had he said something warm & fuzzy we ought not conclude he's right on BLM, correct?

    I'm well over 50 years old and I grew up saying "Negro" - this fellows older than me, I don't hold that against him.

    Someone ought to remind Mr Bundy it's always better to be free. Always, no doubt and no exception. But I think people ought to also consider the heart of his poorly put comments that for the past 50 years or so our government has deliberately practiced policies that encourage subservience and limit the political power of Black people in America. Out of wedlock births in Black households hovered around 10% from 1945 to about 1970. It's now 85%. Single head of household, no father at home has risen too. The incidence of abortion among Blacks (in a democratic republic population = power) is much higher than Whites and Latinos.

    I lived in Las Vegas for about 6 years, off Sunrise and Tomiyasu. I know the other side of LV pretty well too - Bonanza, MLK Blvd, Meade Blvd and NLV too. That people are warehoused and given money just enough to stay alive doesn't seem an accident to me.

    "Smiling faces, sometimes ....."[;)]
  • OakieOakie Member Posts: 40,565 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
    Bundy is the sort we don't need. A lightning rod of STUPID who draws people to himself and then turns out to be a thieving living off the government dole loud mouthed idiot that makes all gun owners look like knuckle dragging mouth breathing morons.

    His sorts feeds the propaganda machine on the other side, and too dang'd many folks cheer him on for it.


    Kinda like that * "Police Chief" in PA with the youtube videos. Another great horse to hitch your wagon too.


    I was thinking the same thing[:D] He was a real yahoo
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    I love how the media twists peoples words to fit the agenda and the crowd on here that took it hook line and sinker[:D].I didn't see anything racist in his quote.

    Honestly,I don't really care if he is racist,thats his problem.Still doesn't change my stance on this issue and yes,he still has my support even if it gives me the label of "domestic terrorist". LMAO

    Nord,you nailed it.
  • JgreenJgreen Member Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Chris nailed it.

    And before we start with the good ol boy-cowboy-western rancher bs, there are plenty of freeloaders living in the country whuppin on women and doing meth.

    He's as much of a mooch as those he stereotypes...
  • Sav99Sav99 Member Posts: 16,037 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Where is the video link so I can hear him say this?
  • JgreenJgreen Member Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sg, here is the test to figure out if it's racist. Take what he said and replace "negro" with Christian, and see if you are ok with the statement.
  • sharpshooter039sharpshooter039 Member Posts: 5,897 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sav , the original was an interview with the New York Times, He does not dispute it. There is a video of Him today trying to explain his comments in the interview. I am honestly quite surprised by many of the remarks about this Guy in this thread and others. I guessyou honestly never know whom you are talking too in these rooms. No matter if the Government is right or wrong it just shocks me how many are ready to excuse the actions of this man, He is a Thief, A Liar and now A Racist but because he is a good old boy fighting the Government,,its OK
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    So according to some of yall's remarks,if you owe me money and I take you to court winning a judgement and you refuse to pay,I should legally be able to have a swat team come and take it from you at gunpoint? Why didn't the Gov. just put a lien on Cliven's ranch just like you and I would have to do? Get it yet?
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    You could replace "negro" with "cracker" and I'd be ok with it[;)]plus,I'm not Christian.Whats racist about the word "negro" anyway?quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
    Sg, here is the test to figure out if it's racist. Take what he said and replace "negro" with Christian, and see if you are ok with the statement.
  • AmishAmish Member Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The "cotton picking" comments look like it was in the context that welfare and socialism is a failure. Also, maybe he chose to comment about the blacks since he receives no support from them.

    I still believe the entire thing is a media circus.

    Meanwhile Islamists just took 230 girls from an African school. The Islamists still use African slaves.
    www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27101714
  • skicatskicat Member Posts: 14,431
    edited November -1
    If you still think this was ever about paying lease fees then you haven't been paying attention. Bundy is the last rancher being squeezed out of his way of life. None of you were anywhere around when the other ranchers were "encouraged" to give up their livelihoods, so I guess being stuck with the last guy who turns out to be less than perfect is kind of poetic justice.

    I don't support all of Bundy's decisions, but I'm completely against the heavy handed approach which is currently dominating the national landscape. Everywhere you go is evidence of this all consuming federal presence and it has to stop. The IRS targeting political groups and nobody goes to prison. The AG and BATFE arming cartels in Mexico and nobody goes to prison. The Feds deciding how your kids get educated. Feds deciding who goes on no fly lists from which there is no return. Feds pawing your family members as a pre-requisite for air travel.

    This list can go on for days and yet you all patently ignore it as if it isn't worth the bother. Pathetic. Some of you are the best proof that 50+ years of fluoridating the water makes you docile and lowers IQ.

    Once more for the really slow ones out there...


    IT'S NOT ABOUT LEASE PAYMENTS


    PS...It also doesn't matter if Bundy is a racist or a moron. In this country we protect the rights of those people too.
  • SGSG Member Posts: 7,548
    edited November -1
    Well said.quote:Originally posted by skicat
    If you still think this was ever about paying lease fees then you haven't been paying attention. Bundy is the last rancher being squeezed out of his way of life. None of you were anywhere around when the other ranchers were "encouraged" to give up their livelihoods, so I guess being stuck with the last guy who turns out to be less than perfect is kind of poetic justice.

    I don't support all of Bundy's decisions, but I'm completely against the heavy handed approach which is currently dominating the national landscape. Everywhere you go is evidence of this all consuming federal presence and it has to stop. The IRS targeting political groups and nobody goes to prison. The AG and BATFE arming cartels in Mexico and nobody goes to prison. The Feds deciding how your kids get educated. Feds deciding who goes on no fly lists from which there is no return. Feds pawing your family members as a pre-requisite for air travel.

    This list can go on for days and yet you all patently ignore it as if it isn't worth the bother. Pathetic. Some of you are the best proof that 50+ years of fluoridating the water makes you docile and lowers IQ.

    Once more for the really slow ones out there...


    IT'S NOT ABOUT LEASE PAYMENTS


    PS...It also doesn't matter if Bundy is a racist or a moron. In this country we protect the rights of those people too.
  • JgreenJgreen Member Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Sg, the answer to your question is ultimately yes. If I owe you money and you get a judgment, that means I gotta pay. And the law gives you ways to get the money. You can garnish wages. You can garnish bank accounts. And the law, usually as a last resort, allows for seizure of property. And the people who take that stuff are court officers. They have guns.

    And just because you are not offended by something doesn't mean that it isn't offensive to someone else. And if 99% of a populace considers it offensive, don't waste time trying to argue otherwise.
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