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? about m-16 lowers
JnRockwall
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are they NFA? or can you just pick one up anywhere?
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Is a m16 bolt carrier nfa as well?
is there a preban m-16 lower that is available? or is that what we call the SP1?
so the lower and the sear are both nfa items?
Is a m16 bolt carrier nfa as well?
is there a preban m-16 lower that is available? or is that what we call the SP1?
yes lower and sear are both nfa
no, bolt alone is not nfa
the sp1 does not have the extra hole, but does have the appropriate shelf, I think there are a couple current manufactured lowers that also have the low shelf.
A lower that does not have the shelf and is not drilled for the sear is not NFA btw, but any m16 lower would have the extra hole
thx.
My early SP1 is of as I speak. I call them 'non shelf', because the dimensions were for strength in that area, and had nothing to do with auto functionality. The higher shelf is meant to prevent the insertion of the auto trip device.
Semantics? Yep! But, I'm full of it! (Semantics, that is[:D])
Best, Joe
I was just kicking things around in my head what it might cost. But aapparently a colt lower would be is around $500 plus the NFA. that is a steep starting point.
here's the website that i am using for information
http://www.retroblackrifle.com/
Not exactly full auto, but it does spray some lead --
and it's currently legal.
i am not looking for any trouble, just wondering what it would cost to build a semi auto version of a m16. I like the looks of the early m16, no shell deflectors, forked f hiders, the dull back plastic triangle hand guards.
I was just kicking things around in my head what it might cost. But aapparently a colt lower would be is around $500 plus the NFA. that is a steep starting point.
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Shell deflector and forward assist are on the upper, not the lower. I think there are uppers out there available with those 2 things 'deleted', if nothing else just buy an sp1 upper
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=269969179
change the foregrip and flash hider, done
CP
if you get a lower, i have everything else you need. vietnam era m16, complete upper.
also have an m16 LPK minus the disconnector, but you can't legally own it if you have an ar15 or similar lower. but you can make a semi auto m16 look a like with the other parts.
tom
An M16 USGI sear is not NFA.
CP
right, a GI sear is not NFA, drop in sears can be NFA, and a GI sear by itself is perfectly legal, but a GI sear and an AR15 equals a machine gun according to our local BATF agent
this crap is too dang confusing
Like I said, I am not trying to step on toes here. Dad has a m16, i can shoot it til I am green. Full auto is great, but I just like that cold hard look of the early m16.
I really wanna build one minues the auto sear, and I did consider the slide fire as a legal option to simulate the function of the weapon.
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The USGI Auto Sear (unlike the so called Drop In Auto Sear which is an after market item designed to convert a semi to selective fire) is not by itself a machine gun, nor or any of the other M16 fire control component parts. Keep in mind that the use of M16 parts, with teh exception of the bolt carrier, in a semi automatic receiver is generally prohibited.
Certain variations of the Colt Ar-15 will ahve the rear of their receivers modified in order to prevent the use (or misuse) of any type of auto sear:
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If the BATF&E define full auto as 3 or more rounds fired on a single trigger pull, why doesn't anyone make a 2 round burst gun?
so this is a bad idea?
If the BATF&E define full auto as 3 or more rounds fired on a single trigger pull, why doesn't anyone make a 2 round burst gun?
Your definition is wrong. Two or more rounds per pull of the trigger is auto
so this is a bad idea?
If the BATF&E define full auto as 3 or more rounds fired on a single trigger pull, why doesn't anyone make a 2 round burst gun?
I am not sure where you heard that but it is wrong.
TITLE 26 > Subtitle E > CHAPTER 53 > Subchapter B > PART I > ? 5845
? 5845. Definitions
For the purpose of this chapter-
(b) Machinegun
The term "machinegun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
Also, this is not a BATFE regulation, this is an actual law established by the Congress.
Back to what I was saying, I am not looking to build something to get in trouble with. I doubt either of my 2011 model DPMS rifles can be converted without hacking the lowers into tiny pieces.
So I am no threat for trying to convert them, or anything for that matter. I just want to build a AR I like which happens to be the early model m-16. I just figured if I got the nfa lower, and dont use a sear, the gun should be legal.
I may be wrong. Lots of innocent people in prison for honest mistakes. I don't wanna be one of them.
After reading the regualtion, fluckit.
ah well, it would had been fun.
Still think someone should release a select few of the retro slab guns
sounds like this isn't going to happen.
After reading the regualtion, fluckit.
ah well, it would had been fun.
Still think someone should release a select few of the retro slab guns
Why don't you read the post immediately above your last one.
Very nice website!
Isn't this what you want?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=269647806
Oh that is tempting...got a lower that would fit on [:D]
I like those old M-16A1s too, we got them at work and they are light, simple and still shoot great after 45 years.
Little confused. Why don't you just buy an early Colt SP1?
Isn't this what you want?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=269647806
That's closer to what he wants but is still a 70's production and it doesn't have the prong flash hider and I'd say it's priced $300-$500 to high.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=269969179
Oh that is tempting...got a lower that would fit on [:D]
I like those old M-16A1s too, we got them at work and they are light, simple and still shoot great after 45 years.
Again close but no cigar, he's have to swap out the hand guards and flash hider. Priced about right where it would pay to purchase and swap out correct parts.
I'm with Andy; if the OP wants a VN-era rifle, he can buy ANY SP1 & be done with it. If he wants it to look like an early VN-era rifle, he can get a used prong FH for $20 & install it. No point in re-inventing the wheel.
Neal
In Iowa to paraphrase....Any part or parts that will make a class 3 weapon is Illegal.
So a M16 bolt is a No No, a threaded Barrel is Questionable, if you are doing something wrong with your AR the list of charges will escalate.