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11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
edited November 2008 in General Discussion
I've found the next 2 guns that I want to buy. Both .308s. Both American manufacturers.

For starters:

Remington 700 VTR
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And last, but most certainly NOT least:

Springfield M21
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Comments

  • joshmb1982joshmb1982 Member Posts: 8,228 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i saw the remington vtr in a gun store while visiting friends in pa last weekend. looks funny as hell with that triangle barrel. ive heard there pretty accurate rifles though. whats the point of that barrel though? seems like a lot of extra weight to me
  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You have good taste[^]
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The way I heard it, the triangular barrel has the rigidity of a heavy target barrel with less weight.
  • Hunter MagHunter Mag Member Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I love the springfield!![:p]
    I'm a big fan of natural wood furniture.
  • ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    The way I heard it, the triangular barrel has the rigidity of a heavy target barrel with less weight.


    I thought heavy barrels were more about heat dispersion (more material = more heat dispersion) rather than "rigidity".
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ruger270man
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    The way I heard it, the triangular barrel has the rigidity of a heavy target barrel with less weight.


    I thought heavy barrels were more about heat dispersion (more material = more heat dispersion) rather than "rigidity".





    I was always under the impression that heavy barrels were designed to not flex as much as a lighter barrel, and therefor improve accuracy.
  • ruger270manruger270man Member Posts: 9,361 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    quote:Originally posted by ruger270man
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    The way I heard it, the triangular barrel has the rigidity of a heavy target barrel with less weight.


    I thought heavy barrels were more about heat dispersion (more material = more heat dispersion) rather than "rigidity".




    I was always under the impression that heavy barrels were designed to not flex as much as a lighter barrel, and therefor improve accuracy.


    Well that does make sense, I imagine lighter barrels do tend to vibrate more, much like a tuning fork, especially toward the muzzle where there is no support.
  • chaosrobchaosrob Member Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    there is a 21 at my local shop used for 1850.00. The bipod has scratched up the stock, but it is in great condition otherwise with scope mount. I chose the steyr scout over it as I already have a ar-10, but I still may go back and grab it [:D]. Nice guns, I don't think you will go wrong one way or the other
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    Not an M21 but I really like all of mine:

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    As for heavy barrels it is all of things you listed. Heavy barrels were made to be stiffer and have more surface cooling area. Then fluting came along to make them more rigid, have more surface area to cool and be lighter weight.
  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ...now if I can just figure out a way to pay for them both[8)]
  • FEENIXFEENIX Member Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The 700 VTR barrel design is nicely done but the stock is very cheesy.
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ruger270man
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    quote:Originally posted by ruger270man
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    The way I heard it, the triangular barrel has the rigidity of a heavy target barrel with less weight.


    I thought heavy barrels were more about heat dispersion (more material = more heat dispersion) rather than "rigidity".




    I was always under the impression that heavy barrels were designed to not flex as much as a lighter barrel, and therefor improve accuracy.


    Well that does make sense, I imagine lighter barrels do tend to vibrate more, much like a tuning fork, especially toward the muzzle where there is no support.


    ALL barrels vibrate. It's called Harmonics. The trouble starts when the bullet engages the rifling (resistance) and tries to push the barrel away from the receiver.
  • KSUmarksmanKSUmarksman Member Posts: 10,705 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    both very nice firearms.

    personally I prefer the M21, since I have a thing for military-style rifles
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
    The 700 VTR barrel design is nicely done but the stock is very cheesy.



    I bet I can always put it on a different stock. After all, it's still a Remington 700.
  • FEENIXFEENIX Member Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
    The 700 VTR barrel design is nicely done but the stock is very cheesy.



    I bet I can always put it on a different stock. After all, it's still a Remington 700.


    Yep, that's the way to do it!
  • remingtonoaksremingtonoaks Member Posts: 26,245 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I never understood why they would put a brake on a .308. They don't kick
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    I have a regular M1A and a Savage .308 (not a Rem 700, but close enough). They shoot better than I can, so I'm happy.

    But you do have good, if expensive, taste, Zulu.
  • 44caliberkid44caliberkid Member Posts: 925 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    How to pay for them? Put them on a credit card, then don't pay the bill. Politicians will pay it for you when they bail out the credit card companys.
    I'm putting my kids through college and making all my future purchases by this philosophy.
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